I think part of it for those as well is that they are 'win win' in some respects. Call for the managers head after three games and then if we get to the stage where there is no improvement then it's 'I told you so', or if they do improve then they argue that they wanted to be wrong.

Personally speaking I am gutted so far and I think he has made some mistakes, but we all wanted an appointment that will be a success over years, not just weeks. The bloke is still learning, but often people see it too black and white, I.e he either has it or he doesn't. Give the guy a chance to improve and succeed ffs.

Yes if it continues then there will be a point where that will have to be looked at, but writing him off after five games is appalling really.

I think he has a good opportunity this week without a midweek game to really work on the training ground, sort the Podge situation out and work hard to get 1-2 new faces in.

Fear breeds fear. It's September.

The problem isn't the constant sackings, its the constant picking the wrong manager in the first place. Get the right man and no need to sack him. Who in their right mind thought Cooper and Hignett would make good managers? well obviously a lot did , but that's another story.It seems we always go for the cheap option, or something with strings attached and manager with his hands tied in relation to bringing in own staff etc , though the latter did change with the appointment of Harrison.

As for people posting crap, it isn't crap its their opinion. If we are in relegation fight in February, it wouldn't of been crap , it would of constituted insight and wisdom. I don't for one minute think we will be, I said between 8th and 11th and I still think that. I would be happy with that, if there were signs that we could kick on from that position in 2018/19. If Harrison turns out to be as bad as some say, then we cant afford to be relegated why he learns the job. We need to be out of this division within 3 years, not in the National League North.

Do you think the Pools job is an easy one Horden?

I though Hignett and Cooper showed promise as managers and both wanted to play the game the right way.

Do you think when this elusive manager is found everything's rosey?

Not at all PJ, I think its the hardest job in football , I really do. We could get Antonio Conte and be in the same situation, I truly believe that. That is why to have any chance , it has to be a special kind of manager, a Coleman or a Warnock. Of course they are that savvy they wouldn't come, people like that can smell a rat at 50 paces , but that is the kind of manager I think we need, with a Hignett or a Cooper at their side if you like. I cant believe those two thought taking over at Hartlepool was a good career move. Also league 2 is not the division to play football the right way, in your first management job, unless you have lots of money to bring in the players who can play football, if you have cast offs you are never going to get them to replicate Barcelona. Probably of been better starting at Spennymoor or Blyth. The likes of Armstrong. Ainsley, Aspin , Parkin are learning their trade at that level and would make better managers than those two did.

Unfortunately you or I cant change the geography of the town, the economics, the history, those running the club,all the things that make it difficult for incoming managers, but we can put pressure on to change the manager, that is the only thing we can do, and that is why Harrison is getting hammered now and so early in his career. It is sad and I hope he can turn it around, as he seems a genuine bloke, as were most of the others.

Thank you Horden at last someone says what I believe, posting crap is just someone's opinion. The problem on here is that certain persons say that about everybody that they disagree with. Football is all about opinions even professional pundits disagree with each other so what chance have we.
One thing I would point out yes we have sacked managers left right and centre but how many have found success elsewhere.

It is madness, and it's absolutely pathetic, even worse is some of the personal abuse the bloke is getting on social media and some forums.

He's managed us for five games.

I think we'd have still been in trouble had Hignett remained, maybe a couple of small margins might have got us an extra point or something that may have saved our bacon again but we were already firmly on the slide and we'd already had Coxall's desperate January fire sale to raise cash to pay the tax man and the wage bill that decimated the squad, that is what mainly cost us our place in the Football League for me.

Our form was absolutely awful and he looked absolutely shot personally, he'd aged ten years in six months.

Jones was a disaster, but Hignett had turned into a disaster and we'd sold players in key areas. I sort of agree we might have scraped another point or two, but that's only a maybe.

It's not madness. It's just a debate. They have to turn it around. But if they don't the manager will bear the brunt. It's just how long you give him in charge. It's best not to read social media. I'm sure Craig doesn't. Some fans are more patient than others. If the team play for the manager and each as Craig said they would at the outset I imagine mostly everyone will get off the manager and the players backs. That's all we really want.

It is madness after five games in charge of club that hasn't finished in the top half of any League for ten years and has just been relegated at it's lowest ebb for 96 years. It's complete and utter madness.

It's weird because it's a contradiction of everything else I'm saying about the current situation but I think Hignett was struggling results wise and in his personal life, but in hindsight we couldn't done have done any worse if we stuck by him, but his record in the 10-15 games before he got sacked was just about as bad as our record under Dave Jones. The whole debacle was beyond who was manager though and squarely about the clueless chancer trying to run the club.

I always use the analogy that people who don`t look like they give a shit, usually don`t give a shit, ex footballers without much intelligence aren`t going to become a genius tactition over night, they are taught how to coach, get a badge and let loose managing a team of people, what experience dothey have, fuck all, some are naturals, some work hard and some fuck up, we tend to get the fuck ups!

Healthy debate is good. Pretending everything is alright is madness. Realistically the best I am hoping for next match is that we keep a clean sheet and build from there. If we keep getting spanked the pressure on the manager is if his own making. And we can't keep signing more players to let the existing lot off the hook. Unless they are free loans of course. But introducing young players in to a losing team rarely works.

Who is suggesting for a second or 'pretending' that everything is alright!? It's pretty far from that clearly but then again I've not seen anyone doing that.

How about players who have been at the club since a schoolboy, drives a Corsa, earns the same as a working man and actually give a shit in preference to a prima donna who plays for the money, drives a flash car and is tosh?

If your good enough, your old enough.

Everyone works and plays for the money that is what we do.

Most people care as well, suggesting players don't at Pools level is a tired cliche.

You believe that do you?, really?

Yeah it cliched bollocks where do Pools players go from here if they get binned? We are in the Conference relegation zone most of our players have families to support and aren't earning huge money by any standards I bet I make as much as a lot of them grafting hard enough in a factory all week, they aren't going to toss it off everyone wants to win and do well. They have short careers as well. Sport is different to anything else it's why I cringe when you spout on about managing a supermarket as if we you speak with some authority about managing professional sportsmen.

People forget the state the clubs in. The patient on life support is now sitting up, but things aren't 100%,
I'll swear some people have slipped back into the fantasy world of IOR ownership at its most generous and players and new managers can be brought in on a whim.
Face up to where we are. This has to work. It's disappointing, it's frustrating, it's worrying but that's where we are.
As for the personal abuse, can anyone anyone performing better because of it, it's self defeating, but some people never learn.

As regards Hignett, at the time of leaving he more less said he couldn't get the players to perform as did Ronnie Moore and jones had the same problem in different circumstances.

None of the off field issues excuse the performances on it though.

If those performances continue then someone off field needs to be brave.without making financial excuses.

Nonsense, off the field issues have had a huge impact on performances and is ultimately why we now in The National League. Being brave would be actually having the trust in and conviction to give the manager a chance to build something for once.

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Not that I'm saying Craig isn't the full shilling. I'm certain he is but you do have to be a bit crazy to be a football manager. 36) and 41) have local connections. What examples do people have apart from Alex Ferguson of managers being given adecent amount of time to turn things around and get it right?

Your post is fair but the reason for the anger (or my anger anyway) is how badly we e performed in the two games I've seen, Maidenhead and Bromley, where two teams with much lower budgets and semi professional status have made us look like utter clowns. Despite our "non-IOR" budgets we have sufficient funds (parachute payments etc.) to be doing a damn site better than the two horror shows I've now witnessed in a week.

Excluding Dario Grady.......managers/ teams who have had a relatively poor start?

Give the bloke a chance to sort things out FFS, sometimes things have to get worse before they get better and for all the drivel about him having had all of pre season he is surely only learning about the true character and ability of some of the contracted dross that he inherited during competitive matches.

The key question is why are we where we are? At the moment you have to look at previous owners, managers and players for 95% of the answer - we finished last season in an incredible state and turning a failing football club round isn't easy.

Having said that, the early signs from Harrison aren't good and he does need to make better progress over the next five matches or it will become very hard to defend him. As long as he makes some progress he should get until Christmas - I don't see how you can judge a manager in less time than that.

Managing a supermarket has got fuck all to do with football, managing 280 people with different backgrounds, levels of intelligence, personalalities, languages etc toward one goal is.

I trust you had full training in pushing that button?

How on earth have orient cobbled a team together in such a short space of time and are now making a half decent show of it?

In a perfect world I agree managers should be given time but this is football where even the best get sacked. I understand the average time for a manager is about two years look at Chelsea. I look at managers like Martin Allen, Danny Wilson and numerous others, good managers who do well then as soon as things go down they get the sack. As I say this is football that is how it works and I doubt if it will change.

I should have clarified. What I meant was here are excuses coming out about financial constraints and having to pay off ex managers etc.

So many excuses.

If the owners were to be brave they would find some investment to give to the manager now.

Because he appears to need it.

Being brave isn't sacking him. It's investment investing in him.

Not once have I said sack him.

But I am sick of hearing about how skint we are.

Fuck me sage could borrow cash off themselves.

You're having a laugh. Sage has absolutely no interest in HUFC apart from the vested and neither does Pam. Any decisions taken by the current owners will be with view to recovering past investment and who could blame them.

I've just been reading some of the unbelievable shite on that thread Chip.

Our support is rotten to the core only at Pools could this be happening the irony of the same people who intentionally buried their heads in the sand over Coxall now spreading baseless rumours about the current owners has to be seen to be believed.

Which thread are we talking about here?

It's too early to be calling for his head in reality, and as has been pointed out some managers with past success have had rocky starts. The thing that concerns me most is that Harrison doesn't seem to have a clue what system he wants to play. I'd rather we picked the system that suits us best and stick to it, constantly changing it doesn't seem to be working.


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You really couldn't make it up. Only at Pools!

Same 4 or 5 hell bent on being petty, sticking to their agenda despite facts and talking bollocks in general, crack on and let the other 6 or so who read it chip in with stuff " wot they ave heard"

Only managed to read the first page and a half or so and couldn't bring myself to read the rest, nevermind reply to it. Utterly baffling

In-fighting, factless bollocks and jealousy. Sad. When you look at what Orient have done and to a larger extent what Brighton did before that many moons ago this really is sad.

Cheers PJ.
Have just read through that thread.
My first reaction was that there appears to be a lot of turmoil surrounding the club...... but then it dawned on me that it is the same few stirring the shit.
Before any of this gathers momentum or gets out of hand, Pam needs to make a statement outlining the current state of the club and any restraints it is under.
We, the fans, will get behind the club through thick and thin if we feel part of it.
My ST tells me I'm part of the squad but I really don't feel that I am.
We now have the same bickering amongst the fans that has dogged us for far too many seasons now and, if I'm brutally honest, I am sick of it.
Banter and piss taking is one thing but all this backbiting, name calling, rumour mongering and the rest is down to one thing and one thing only......embarrassment at where the club is and where it appears to be going.
I have witnessed a lot of emotions supporting Pools but nothing like this.

First of all I am not calling for Harrison to be sacked but I am genuinely worried we have dropped a clanger and I fully understand the supporters panicking. They are passionate supporters who turn up every week.
As for the Clough,Ferguson parts, these two are the exception to the rule. Let's remember Clough was sacked as the result of him and the players being at loggerheads and Ferguson was in fact in the last chance saloon and would probably been sacked if he had lost that semi final. Also these two did have considerable success before joining these clubs. (Please don't compare Harrison's Welsh Northern League with this)
Finally I would just like to ask people posting here saying give him more time"are you not worried"

Im really scratching my head to see why Pam gets any stick at all.

As far as I can see she has got the club running on a better financial footing, stopped the winding up petitions, players and staff are being paid on time, she is clearly pro active and attempting to change anything and everything that can be changed for the better, she is interacting with local business' and the supporters, she brought a new manager, gave him scope to bring his own assistant and coaches with him and gave him scope to bring players in (lets not forget that most people were raving about these players on paper)

What else could she do?

I couldnt care less if her motives are to protect Sages Investment as protecting that investment means keeping the club going and not letting it go under - which was were we were going quickly before she sorted the club out.

but I suppose she did get rid of chips.

Just to throw something into the hat. I read that some say Harrison did not choose some of these signings. Suppose they had all been outstanding success would these people be saying "what great signings" or "but he had no say in the signings"

Tell you what, a lot of people on FB and the other board seem to be in the know about stuff coming out. If you look objectively it seems simple really, off the pitch things seem to be in process of stabilizing from a near death experience (plenty of evidence for this) but are far from perfect.

On the pitch things have started almost as badly as they could have done with inconsistent tactics, team selection, performances and results.

Sadly people are lumping the 2 things together, I guarantee if we'd won 3 of our opening games half the bullshit about the club would be non existent

It seems like many who were supporting Coxall until the end and are anti Trust are trying to shit stir and bring the club down. My opinion anyway, said shit stirrers might want to ask themselves why they feel and act like this?!

You read that some say...... Are you serious....?

Some posters on here have intimated this.

Had a quick browse on a few of their other topics, looks like we are in for a "Big Tuesday Announcement"

That thread....they keep bringing up the same stupid questions that have already been answered dozens of times in the past!!!!
Just ignore them....and ignore them in a fortnight when they start the shit stirring again....and the fortnight after that....and the fortnight....etc etc!!!!

Maybe its Dean Whitehead?