I don't doubt that he has shaken up the Westminister world. I do though believe that when it comes to General Elections he has some massive hurdles to overcome, in my view they are insurmountable.

No MP's in Scotland
Next to none in the South.
Will be painted as a raving loony
Policies are terrifying.

Don't agree about policies being terrifying, not least because he's said he wants to decide policies democratically rather than just imposing them top down. Some of his most left wing beliefs might well fail to become policies because his own party members will prefer to water them down.

Can't argue with your other points though - he is going to have a tough time. But if the Labour members and the £3 supporters reflect a wider shift in thinking he might pull it off by talking directly to people instead of cuddling up to the Tory press.

I find it very scary to think he could get into power.

But despite this, I would still prefer him to the toff bastads feathering their own nests now.

It all goes to prove that politics doesnt really represent the average person.

Two extremes of evil and stupidity.

No, it's because austerity cannot work. Even the IMF agrees; an organisation wedded to monetarist and neoliberal economics. Most mainstream economists agree: when you next watch an economic piece on the news, note the affiliation of the economics 'expert'. They usually work for a large financial institution. Hardly 'objective', and the BBC is the worst for this.

I'm not sure how many times I need to say that I'm not keen on Cameron and Osbourne. I guess I need to say it again because Chip ain't listening. I'm not actually against ploughing money into construction and manufacturing. It makes sense that constructing houses creates jobs for people who will pay tax and a lot more houses will drive down prices making them affordable for our kinds.


What I will not have and I will arrange a fooking Coup is this bloke bowing down to any passing terrorist. He is now offering to negotiate with Argen-fucking-tina on sovereignty of the islands. I have friends lying dead there and the bloke wants to piss on their graves. The bloke is a surrender monkey. He is straight out of the 'I have in my hand a piece of paper' school of democracy. He got into bed with terrorists in the 80's, the 90's and now he wants to invite any passing A-rab into the country.

Cameron on economics you can keep but he was dead right when he said that Corbyn is a danger to national security.

Again, no. The debt could be dealt with (not that it needs to be, as governments aren't households - households can't print money!) very quickly. The reason it isn't, is that the quick options usually hit those with assets, and no neoliberal party would do that (and I include New Labour in that).

Of course economic decisions of the past affect the future. The money that was poured into these two wars (started by Labour) meant that investment could not be made elsewhere. That takes time to filter through.

By the way, in case we've forgotten: letter from Labour treasury 2010: "sorry, theres no money left"

Yip, neither of us seen any sense or login in Afghan or Iraq but Corbyn supported the IRA in the 80's when they were murdering men, women and children by the dozen. 'Brave men of the IRA struggle' I think were his words. If you were to look on my facebook friends list you would find about half a dozen guys who survived Warrenpoint. Not necessarily intact but they are alive The 'brave men of the IRA' bombed an Army truck then waited for the medics to arrive before they bombed them too with a secondary device. Yes, truly heroic.

The he tells the world of 'our friends in HAMAS'. He does have form for this mind you. He loves a terrorist and doesn't seem to care where they come from; Hamas, the IRA, Black September, Hezbollah, PLJ, Even Kristina Kirchner, the poor mans Eva Peron seems to be his wish list now and he's happy to cut 3000 British Citizens loose in the process.

Wow, even the Guardian are concerned about his mad mates.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... tisemitism

And that has what to do with Corbyn cuddling up to terrorists?

Who is the 'we' who are supplying weapons to Somalia?

Joining UKIP tomorrow, should have done it years ago. Only normal party with normal supporters in the UK.

Probably because we were occupying a part of their country and still are to all intents and purposes, though the IRA sort of won the day, when they achieved peace through their actions. The bombing of Canary Wharf rocked the British Government to the core. Hit where the money is and they don't like it.

I know the guy who wrote that (his wife works in my wife's school); it was a joke.

Nonsense. The IRA lost the support of the community and an awful lot of face when they were shouted down by Robert McCartney's sisters after their brother was murdered.

Moreover, they completely lost US support after 9/11 and 7/7 did them no favours whatsoever. Don't forget either that British Forces had decimated them over the years and particularly in the years leading up to the ceasefire. The big one though was that the community had had enough of them and their gangster methods.

We all assumed that you already had.

To be fair he couldn't have done it years ago because UKIP didn't exist. He'd have had to join the BNP during that spell when they were determinedly pretending not be neo-Nazi loons while having birthday parties for Hitler in private. Nowadays you have the chance to join a whole party of racists many of whom seem to genuinely believe that they aren't racist at all. I think this might be progress but it is hard to be sure.

Where from the UK did they receive these arms? There is a UN embargo so whoever it is would be in deep shit. Do you have a name of the company? And as for things happening in that mess of a country, what the fuck has it got to do with Cameron? It's more to do with mad Muslims running about killing people.

Tenuous in the extreme to blame Cameron. I could just as easily say that a bomb went of in Kabul while I was having a shit. Kabul is shit ergo, its my fault that a bomb went off there.

Oh give over. Someone does not hold with Corbyn and the open door policy so he must therefore be a BNP supporter?

Not what I said. He said he was off to join UKIP and should have done years ago. I said what I think of them and pointed out that they emerged after the failure of the BNP's project so he couldn't have joined them years ago.

UKIP have worked hard to deny being racist and they've had more success at it than the BNP did, partly because they haven't got the wider fascist views that the BNP had. It's still the same trick though, as all those slip-ups during the election campaign showed.

I've got no idea if 3quid is racist or not but if he lies down with dogs he'll end up with fleas and there are plenty of dogs in UKIP.

Thatcher talked and invited terrorists, so did Major. Even Churchill talked to terrorists. History shows that not talking allows conflicts to go on much longer. Seems a good idea to invite your enemy to talk round the table. If it brings peace closer, then better that than the prejudice and cow pooh expressed by some on here!

Chip, that's about being invited to an arms fair. Followed by a vague unqualified reference arms being sold - hardly proof. If I could be bothered I would dig out lists of arms sales by both Labour and Conservative governments and I bet neither party ends up covered in roses. Generally the UK has a terrible record in arms sales so its hardly fair to blame Cameron as if its a one off.

Nonsense! She refused to talk to any terrorists be them IRA / Eta or ANC.

Here's an interesting piece from last year.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/o ... s-al-qaida

She supported the murderer and torturer Pinochet and in Cambodia she gave support to the Khmer Rouge, of all people, while at the same time calling Nelson Mandela a terrorist!

Mandela was a terrorist, he should have been strung up in the 60's. Pinochet was never listed as a terrorist but he was involved in the South American Condor operation which is a bad thing. As for Cambodia, it was not the KR at all, there were a few training camps with half a dozen RAOC & SAS blokes training them to disable mines and anti personnel devices.

There is a report of British soldiers training them in the best way to chop people up! Utter bollocks, the only issued knives in the British forces is a clasp knife, basically a penknife, and a bayonet. There are also a couple of ceremonial knives - the Gurkah's Kukri and the Commando Dagger. British soldiers are simply not trained in Steven Seagal type knife fighting.

Wrong again as usual. UKIP were formed in 1993 so I could have joined them years ago. And I wouldn't have voted BNP even if they were the last political party left, didnt agree with any of their policies at all.

I want to know Jiz' thoughts.

Oh, don't be so utterly ridiculous. As if it's even remotely conceivable that anyone would rush round the world looking for a terrorist to embrace.

I think it's tragic that on the only occasion in our lifetime that we have the opportunity to break the mould and achieve some significant change, all this splurge about terrorists is moving centre stage.

If a politician doesn't engage with the 'enemy' then wars never end (as someone said above). Is that a scenario you prefer? It's beginning to sound like it.

It's a classic tactic; if you cannot meet the arguments, question the integrity of your opponent.

Pleased to hear it Mr 3quid. Although you're right about when UKIP formed (and I did say they didn't exist so fair enough) they weren't a party anybody had heard of until the BNP went tits up after their attempt to appear respectable failed. I suppose you could have joined UKIP before 2013 but hardly anybody did except for Robert Kilroy Silk.

I have no issue with some of his policies, I think I said that. I have a big problem with Corbyn-Laden happily befriending a range of people, some of whom are committed to killing us. I do think he has been refreshing in his non 'templated politician' persona and his willingness to engage honestly, I just think that on the issue of Muslim terrorists he is either utterly naive or lives in cloud cuckoo land. I think McDonnell though is a much more sinister character.

This about say it all really! Mandela was a terrorist ( freedom fighter to the more enlightened) Che was a terrorist, Scargill was a terrorist, Corbyn is a terrorist. Smell the coffee lads, its seems perfectly clear to me who has something to hide

100% absolutely Mandela was a terrorist. Guevara I don't care either way.Scargill, no not a terrorist, just an idiot. Corbyn-Laden has never been referred to as a terrorist, he just loves to cuddle up with them.

Mr I, you crack me up. It really isn't worth my time coming back at you on this one. Totally incredulous!!

This is going to need some expansion over the next few years.



The media and right are gunning for Corbyn not because he is dangerous to the country or normal people but because he won't play their tune and may damage their status quo.

Anyone who followed the leadership campaign right or left leaning and wasn't depressed by the fact 3 of the 4 candidates campaigns consisted of don't vote for the man who most represents the stance our party was founded on and little else must be blind and deaf.

Isn't it a good thing that at long last we might actually have an alternative party to vote for? For fucking decades its been Tory or Tory lite.Now those of us who want to have a chance to choose a party that actually might do something different on a scale that matters, not just tinkering around with Tory plans. Hey hes not perfect, he's flawed and will fuck up - so what he's human FFS. The apoplexy with which the media,Tories and some absolute not nice people in the Labour Party have reacted shows how worried they are. If hes such a fuck up, why the haste to dig up quotes from years ago? Interesting times ahead. Buckle up!

Leggy Times columnist on Newsnight now bad mouthing Corbyn for not joining in with the national anthem in the House Of Commons today, just so happens she's married to a Media Executive and was born in Johannesburg South Africa......well qualified.

He sings 8 lines of a song and does up his collar no one says anything. The fact he does neither speaks volumes

He had asked to be undermined. To a level that is challenging. He is a representative of millions and should act as such. He wants to be part of the establishment yet challenges it.

A top button may seem tiny but means a fuck load more

Nothing. There's your answer

.....and you've missed the point completely.

I hope amongst all the focusing on trivia he manages to somehow shift the debate onto the things he ran for leadership on, investment in infrastructure, a willingness to help those on our society unable to help themselves and a move away from the creed of austerity. Why, its almost as if those with a vested interest in not doing those things would prefer we focused on other, less fundamental matters.

Did I just read someone say he couldnt lead the country because he didnt do his top button up?

Or sing that godawful fucking anthem?

Well I like him a bit more now.

And I hope we get more terrorists like Nelson Mandella in the world.

Give meoneNelson Mandella over 10david camerons any day of the week.

I never fasten my top button, or sing that fucking daft song, that doesnt even make sense, and I love Nelson Mandela.

Shoot me.

Shoot you? he probably would done, well that or put burning tyres around your neck. Especially as you are white. Refer to "the song 'shoot the white boer'. I am so tired of Saint Mandela's life being airbrushed. Yes he did some good after his release but that does not overwrite his earlier years and like it or not, people who murder women, children and those who have no part of their argument are indeed terrorists and not the more romantic 'freedom fighters'. They weren't fighters of any descriptions, they were cowardly murderers.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinio ... 6778174719

Yes because the white people they murdered and sang about were not white racists at all were they?

And they never persecuted black people or murdered them either did they.

Anyway. Gid save the queen.

Strong negative correlation between a persons IQ and how loudly they sing the national anthem

mandela was a terrorist who killed innocent people. not every south african murdered by him and his mates was a racist knuckledragger. anyone who says otherwise is wilfully deluding themselves.

i couldn't give two fucks about corbyn and i am right of centre. he's a complete and utter irrelevance, who's only real achievement will be to ensure that his party becomes totally unelectable. i am really pleased for the people who are delighted with his appointment - i'm glad it brings some sunshine into your lives. most of his policies are unworkable pie-in-the-sky bollox but 'hey-ho', he'll never get to implement them because he will never be in power. end of thread (please).

Why are they unworkable?

To be fair I've heard the colonel called a bore but never a Boer so be would have been fine.

I know nought about him or the Shadow Chancellor but the right wing press are going out their way to make sure I don't like them, umpteen articles in The a times today slating them.