I agree with Jiz throughout !!

Try reading The Ragged Trouser Philanthropists by Robert Treswell, a pre war story, 1914, for me nothing has changed.

You're referring to something brought in by a Labour government which is slowly being reversed by the current government.

WTC were and always will be wrong.

+5

Just read about what this bloke stands for. All sounds good until you read what he has to say about defence. Let's all hug it out with ISIL shall we? That'll show em.

If you are unaware of children living in poverty in the Uk Jizz, then you are truly deluded.

I can almost guarantee that within a few miles of your house a child is going to school hungry - or with clothes that don't quite fit.

And before you start with the north south divide - I worked in Hertfordshire a few years back - in an area where houseprices were in the region of £500K - and as a school we had to provide breakfast and school uniforms from some of the children

Kids would miss out on lunch - as their parents struggled on

This was in 2010/ 2012 - poverty - in an affluent area just outside London.

Same parents who HAD to have the latest big screen fancy telly and HAD to have a foreign holiday and HAD to have satellite telly and HAD to smoke and HAD to go out on the piss every weekend and HAD to have a new car every couple of years and HAD to buy new furniture on tick every couple of years to probablys.

Big TV - No Idea
Foreign Holiday - Definitely not
Satellite TV - Definitely not
Smoke - No Idea
Drink - No idea
Car - run down heap of shit
New furniture - not according to the EWO who did the house visit.

Realistically - 2 parents trapped in the area they were brought up in, with houseprices rising through the roof - pretty much earning minimum wage - cost of living was crackers down there. - rents were nuts - in the place where the school was - monthly rents were in the region of £1500 a month for a 3 bed house.

Don't let FACTS get in the way of Daily Mail rhetoric..



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Greggs, Subway, William Hill, Ladbrokes, Bet Fred, Chisholm's, Costa, Starbucks, Carphone Warehouse, Orange/EE, Vodafone, Wetherspoons/other bars; - take all their ilk out of the high street & there isn't too much left. 50 years ago they barely existed, let alone had the same domination of retail space.
They have all taken over because the population in general blows money on luxury items/services these outlets provide, rather than spend on essentials or savings . Poverty does exist, but if true poverty extended to the levels suggested, these shops would no longer be in business. If poverty was defined as not having a mobile phone for instance, I don't expect too many would qualify. For perspective I use P-A-Y-G & spend about £30 a year on top-ups, which is less than some people pay for a monthly bundle.

I agree the numbers are probably falsely high - but genuine numbers of kids in poverty do exist - a few cases with parents who are genuinely trying there best and still struggling

In some cases - inept parenting - possibly the most tragic tale was the angry young lad who used to miss his meals to ensure his two younger sisters ate properly - the same lad would go shoplifting for food - to take it home to the girls. In terms of the right wing elements - he was a bad lad, a thief who deserved prison - in reality he was taking risks needed to put food on the table - social services were well aware of this lad and his family situation - but under current guidelines follow the rule that its better to keep a family unit together than put the 3 children in care - right or wrong - that's not for me to say - but that lad was an example of some of the things that are currently happening.

I'm not saying the parents aren't to blame - I'm pointing out kids are going hungry and living in abject conditions in one of the richest countries in the world.

Jeremy Corbyn is doing a Q&A session at Middlesbrough Town Hall tomorrow at 330pm for anyone interested

Can you advise whether triangles are on the agenda?

It wouldn't be the first three-point agenda.

No nobody is interested thanks. I'd rather nail my balls to the floor than sit and listen to somebody from Labour and as left wing as that dinosaur.

Not surprised he's half popular though, some of the loony lefties in this country who still think that the 1970's depression with strikes and mass unemployment under Labour are the glory days to hark back to and given a chance will be back to that again.

Not for me that thanks. But if you're going don't suppose you'd ask the bloke who he draws his beard inspiration from, on my behalf would you? Is it A) Hamas B) Hezbollah or the wild card C) Bobby "Chicken Supper" Sands

Always wondered that.

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Thanks horden. I think I might just get along to that.

The reality is that he may well believe passionately in what he is doing but then so does a dung beetle. He is 1970's left wing. It failed and failed spectacularly. He is trotting out all the failed policies of Labour leaders gone bye and some are going for it. He might win the leadership but thats it. He cannot get elected. He will not ever get elected so whats the friggin point?

To say that Labour would be unelectable under Corbyn may well be right, but it would also apply to Burnham, Cooper and Kendall, nothing but watered down tories.

Hordens Dad has just been on Radio Tees speaking on the return of hospital services to the town, he had also been through to see Corbyn today at Boro' and gave him his stamp of approval.......sound bloke Barry.

Yeah well aye, lets remind everyone under which government we lost our hospital services under?

Answers on a postcard please to Mr Michael Mouse, 203 Fogdust Lane, Disneyland.

FFS

The Labour Party, in order to become electable, need to address the concerns of and problems faced by the normal working person in the private sector and not just pander to the public sector workers and the benefits claimants. If they do that then they have a chance but none of the candidates fall into that bracket.

He has held that northern working class seat of Islington since 1983

I don't like any of them. It would be nice to have a party that would represent me and others like me but none of them do.

Of course it is. That's why they created the whole left/right dogma lie. This isn't news.

They could create other polarities if they really tried. But polarities aren't what are going to help the people.

The country has changed a lot since the 70's. The old style split between an urban working class and a rural upper class living in country villages just doesn't exist in the same way it did. You no longer have hundreds of thousands of men working shifts in factories and mines voting Labour that could swing an election.

Instead there is a whole wedge of people that work in middling jobs for middling salaries living a relatively comfortable life in the suburbs but are in no way what I'd call wealthy. They control seats all over the country and effectively elect the government. Left or Right you only get any power if they vote for you.

So the question for Labour is do they want to appeal to the people who would no doubt vote Labour whatever they did, or do they want to actually get into power to achieve at least some of what they want.

Blair realised this and for better or worse was bloody good at winning elections Corbyn on the other hand will no doubt stack up the votes in Scotland, the NE and S Wales just like he is doing in the leadership election but will end up giving the Tories free reign to do as they please for a decade.

It's simple, really. A Government should represent all sections of a society equally and no section of society or person should have an unfair advantage.

People appointed as heads of government should demonstrate a) no political allegiance whatsoever; b)a proven track record in the business of that department...economics, health, education or whatever, and, last but not least, c) red tops should be chopped tomorrow. Really, really simple.

Well, and perhaps d) all able-bodied people should be given a job of some sort or other, in return for a decent wage.

Just as I was starting to like what Corbyn was saying, he stated his support for Stephen Sizer (Iranian/PLO loving vicar) have now got a sour taste whenever I see Corbyn.

He also agrees that Palestine should be free as does a lot of the world and Israel is a made up nation that took the peoples land but hey ho!

I can't be bothered to write a long reply but I Agree with much of what Chip has posted.

My view is that whether you like him or not a man like Corbyn who is the polar opposite to Cameron is exactly the kind of opposition leader we need, he's already exposed the 3 other candidates as self serving power at any cost scum, he will wake up the nation to how utterly evil the Tories are and will give us a genuine choice in 2020.

This is the bloke who pandered to the IRA whilst British folk were being murdered.

Exactly. Thankfully due to the rise in popularity in the SNP and UKIP we will not see another Labour government in the near future and hopefully my lifetime.

Surely those that vote UKIP should have voting rights taken away, to protect them from themselves? You have to do all you can to protect the mentally deficient from themselves.

On saying that I DO hope the labour party dont get power, as that might affect my long term plans to move down south.

Would be just my luck to move and then the bloody lefties get in, and make the country a fairer place.

I think you are confusing it with those who insisted on voting for Wright in Hartlepool. Votes for the General Hospital to be closed then protests about it. The gullibility of some people knows no bounds.

I think you will find that no one disputes that on here. As this was under Balir was it not? Who was more tory than the tories.

But as long as my planned place of abode down south has a hospital, I dont really care about up North.

I just hope the northern riff raff stay away.

and I DO hope Costa Coffee dont dumb down and open up a branch in Hartlepool. Or Starbucks.

Although they have eached Teesside park I see.

Who cares what you think? You don't even know the difference between mentally and mentality.

Don't confuse the confused Mr I.

My god you are so right. I really should refrain from posting such stuff.

Or was it just infact the spell checker on the phone?

Slightly over egging UKIPs importance, when I say slightly I mean massively. It's purely down to the rise of the SNP that means Labour won't get in again for a long, long time as they won all of the Labour strong holds in Scotland. UKIP have one MP and you can't see them ever getting as many votes again as they did in this years election.

Thatcher also had a habit of using wars when an election approached. A bit like that other Tory....Blair.

and hasnt having dialogue with the IRA created a more peaceful Ireland?

But it was UKIP, or one of its splinter groups, or should that be splitter?, that warned us all of those nasty Muslamic ray guns.

Can't believe so many saying the Labour Party should mould itself to suit the electorate. I would rather vote for a party which had virtually no chance of becoming the next government than vote for a mongrelised fast fix. If that party shared my views and stood for all that is good in my world then that would do for me.
Too many gullible people these days want to be on the side of or associated with the 'winners' regardless of what they stand for. I liken them to the people who follow Man Utd because they're too scared to be associated with an 'unsuccessful' team.........wankers.

Brilliant. But what the fuck has this got to do with the man in the street? You've just substantiated what was said earlier. The parties exist because parties.

Great post, and absolutely spot on.

Exactly why Labour get voted in, in Hartlepool every single time despite the town and its "services" being an absolute shambles. Not just in a general election but also council. Time for a change in this town.

I'd like to see that Chip arrested as soon as he sets foot down here in the South..I think a day in the cells with all them illegals and EU criminals would do him good.

I know the workers at our local Supermarkets check for bigger things than spiders when the crates of banana's arrive..

I suspect Corbyn will be ushered into power without any fuss...then when in place ....... the media will be waiting around the corner.

One of the many things that annoys me intensely about the anti-Corbyn smear campaign is the way 'antisemite' can be used as a sort of weapon that precludes any fighting back.
What the term so often turns out to mean is something like, 'Has at some time in the past spoken to a Palestinian'. But if you point out that there's no law against talking to a anti-Zionist, you swiftly get labelled an antisemite yourself. It's a form of bullying....to prevent people ever being allowed to criticise Israeli foreign policy.