Stayed off the bunker

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Sat May 18, 2013 2:45 pm

It's all my fault. At Cardiff I said we all ought to enjoy this as much as we can because there's a real possibility this is as good as it gets.

parmo · **Posted:** Sat May 18, 2013 3:35 pm

Double Figures is Chemical Ali, or possibly Gus Brown

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37759

parmo wrote:

Double Figures is Chemical Ali, or possibly Gus Brown

His message is.... Go to Pools, that's just the way it is, it might get better, probably not though, that's it. Long live the Ken!

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

At least bresslaws got the attention he craved. It's super fans like him that IOR must love.

Sit down
Shut up
Accept the shit infront of you n never hope for any better

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37759

MadJohn wrote:

Chip Fireball wrote:

simply posting " I refuse to be brainwashed " in threads ? What does that achieve ?

Not much, Certainly no more than simplistic, one-line posts that you happen to agree with

I suspect Mr Ritters brain may have spent too much time on the spin cycle.

Tex Ritter · **Joined:** Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:47 pm **Posts:** 943

Chip Fireball wrote:

Sorry MJ, but posters coming on here posting one line purely with a view to inflaming a siuation are trolls in my opinion.

Take Tex Ritter for instance, are you seriously trying to tell me this waste of space isn't a tr0ll ?

His last 20 contributions to the board have amounted to the square root of fuck all. He never actually puts forward any constructive argument of his own.

If people have a positive outlook thats fine, and if people like Born Toulouse are prepared to put forward a well constructed argument for why things may not be as bad as people seem, then you can have sensible adult dialouge, but simply posting " I refuse to be brainwashed " in threads ? What does that achieve ?

Likewise calling anyone questioning what is going on the club a " miserable bastard " and telling them to " fuck off " as the original poster does, are you really expecting a decent well mannered argument with someone on that basis ?

I might not agree with Double Figures, but at least he puts forward in some detail the reasons why he feels the way he does.

If someone wants to put forward an argument stating why they believe the club has been well managed I'm happy to read it. But as it stands, myself and others, have put forward reasonable and imho well constructed argument as to why we feel the club has been mis-managed in recent years and I have yet to see a reasoned and well balanced counter argument. Quite the opposite in fact.

Oh dear Chip your really struggling to find someone to assassinate now but feel free to have a pop at me if you like. Sorry if I don't follow the line and have a go at everything that moves at the club but that's not my style. My glass is half full and yours is half empty, end of.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37759

Your bucket is overflowing in a drought.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 10:59 am

You stick to your guns Tex, them darn pesky bullies work in packs and y`all should leave the man alone :angry-tappingfoot:

grabec · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 11:08 am

MadJohn wrote:

Exactly. And just because one individual cannot see any cause for optimism, that doesn't mean that another person's optimism is baseless and blind.

But this is a board for discussion, isn't it? OK some people on both sides of the fence have been over the top, but many of us have taken the trouble to point out why we have our critical-of-the-club opinions.

The 'optimists' (apologies for the short-hand), in the main, don't even try to address the points the 'critics' are making. It wouldn't be so bad if optimists accepted the critics' points but decided they were going to look on the bright side (though I would argue that this is what the definition of 'blind optimism' is). It's pretty outrageous to claim, as I understand bresslaw and some others to be doing, that criticism is somehow wrong in itself and shouldn't be allowed, or to call legitimate criticism 'bile' or whatever.

Some people have very unclear views about what debate is, or why it's a good thing to have free speech.

Tex Ritter · **Joined:** Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:47 pm **Posts:** 943

Do not feed the Troll :naughty:

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

or you get a daft reply like "IOR have given us the best 11 years in our history so you have to lie down n take it up the arse now when they've now lost the plot"

Compo · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 1:06 pm

Tex Ritter wrote:

My glass is half full and yours is half empty, end of.

Actually a glass is always full irrespective if it has liquid in it.

Anyway back to the point why can't Ken and Russ see how we are all feeling. If I was in the town I would be thinking twice about buying a season ticket. My dad and best mate are also doing this and they have had one for years. This blindness to the fans opinions by the back room staff is shocking.

I always thought in business you assess your market and then tailor the product to their needs or if your current market plan isn't working you evolve and change to suit.

We know there is financial fair play now and we don't have revenue like before but then the way forward is it invest in youth and promising players (even on loan) that we can build upon or sell like Crewe have been doing for years.

How we can reward ageing players with new deals and give them contracts without a manager tells us all who is pulling the strings and picking the squad.

By Toutatis · **Joined:** Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:31 am **Posts:** 264

Compo wrote:

Actually a glass is always full irrespective if it has liquid in it.

even when it's empty?

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 2:45 pm

By Toutatis wrote:

Compo wrote:

Actually a glass is always full irrespective if it has liquid in it.

even when it's empty?

I think Compo is being metaphysical!

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 2:48 pm

A glass can be fully empty but not emptily full, so empty trumps full.

grabec · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 2:54 pm

By Toutatis wrote:

Compo wrote:

Actually a glass is always full irrespective if it has liquid in it.

even when it's empty?

I think he means glasses are sometimes full of air instead of alcohol. We've all been there.

Compo · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 3:37 pm

Correct grabec even if a glass is half full of liquid the other half is full if air in a physics sence.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

what if you store your glasses in a vacuum?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37759

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

what if you store your glasses in a vacuum?

How will it fit down the pipe....?

grabec · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 4:18 pm

I suppose you could smash the glass into conveniently small pieces. After first carefully swigging the gin. That's what Einstein would do.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37759

grabec wrote:

MadJohn wrote:

Exactly. And just because one individual cannot see any cause for optimism, that doesn't mean that another person's optimism is baseless and blind.

But this is a board for discussion, isn't it? OK some people on both sides of the fence have been over the top, but many of us have taken the trouble to point out why we have our critical-of-the-club opinions.

The 'optimists' (apologies for the short-hand), in the main, don't even try to address the points the 'critics' are making. It wouldn't be so bad if optimists accepted the critics' points but decided they were going to look on the bright side (though I would argue that this is what the definition of 'blind optimism' is). It's pretty outrageous to claim, as I understand bresslaw and some others to be doing, that criticism is somehow wrong in itself and shouldn't be allowed, or to call legitimate criticism 'bile' or whatever.

Some people have very unclear views about what debate is, or why it's a good thing to have free speech.

I'm puzzled by the thought process of someone who never questions things....... to blindly accept something which blatantly warrants debate and then condemn those who do sounds like someone who should be living in a one party state. The word 'optimist' applied to these people is a travesty, it's more akin to a power point presentation by the Spanish Inquisition aided by a ducking stool mob.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37759

grabec wrote:

I suppose you could smash the glass into conveniently small pieces. After first carefully swigging the gin. That's what Einstein would do.

Obviously taking care to smash it under controlled conditions.

grabec · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 4:29 pm

Snowy wrote:

grabec wrote:

I suppose you could smash the glass into conveniently small pieces. After first carefully swigging the gin. That's what Einstein would do.

Obviously taking care to smash it under controlled conditions.

Oh yes. We wouldn't want to spill any vacuum

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37759

Much like tartan paint.

Spender · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 7:03 pm

Snowy wrote:

I'm puzzled by the thought process of someone who never questions things....... to blindly accept something which blatantly warrants debate and then condemn those who do sounds like someone who should be living in a one party state. The word 'optimist' applied to these people is a travesty, it's more akin to a power point presentation by the Spanish Inquisition aided by a ducking stool mob.

Ah, but there you've gone from Pools to the perceived democratic system whereby you are promised a faberge egg and receive a poorly gold plated turd. An optimist in that case accepts the promises blindly, and that makes him/her (begging your presence Ms Grabec) a blind optimist.

An optimist, on the other hand, realises that there are no promises being offered and merely hopes or believes, with minimal expectation, that the situation will be improved.

Which, I think, is where we are.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37759

Spender wrote:

Snowy wrote:

I'm puzzled by the thought process of someone who never questions things....... to blindly accept something which blatantly warrants debate and then condemn those who do sounds like someone who should be living in a one party state. The word 'optimist' applied to these people is a travesty, it's more akin to a power point presentation by the Spanish Inquisition aided by a ducking stool mob.

An optimist, on the other hand, realises that there are no promises being offered and merely hopes or believes, with minimal expectation, that the situation will be improved.

Which, I think, is where we are.

Oh that's just where we are,...and that's the problem. Optimism needs to be nourished and there's little nourishment to be had, optimism isn't what you're describing, that's blind compliance ..........I don't like the idea of having to be grateful for whatever the club deigns fit to throw down from the table.

Spender · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 7:40 pm

Well not necessarily. Optimism just exists, and you can choose to nourish it or not. Cynical people do nourish it. Remember 'Things Can Only Get Better?' That was exactly that. Manna for the uninformed.

No-one at Pools is promising to pull trees up and that's where the frustration lies, and that's what's creating the vitriol.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37759

Pull trees up ......?..... they couldn't prune a bonsai tree.

Spender · **Posted:** Sun May 19, 2013 8:39 pm

But they aren't promising to do either.

That's where the conspiracy crap comes from and the chucking a name in for manager, and then demolishing him (heaven forfend her) comes from.

Remember, we were in Administration three months ago.

I know it's frustrating and I'm curious too, but unless the Bunker experts put a bid together, that's how it is.

Ritchies birthmark · **Joined:** Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:31 am **Posts:** 5637

The rose tinted spectacles must be welded on

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37759

Spender wrote:

But they aren't promising to do either.

That's where the conspiracy crap comes from and the chucking a name in for manager, and then demolishing him (heaven forfend her) comes from.

Remember, we were in Administration three months ago.

I know it's frustrating and I'm curious too, but unless the Bunker experts put a bid together, that's how it is.

No it isn't. ...as they appear to be promising bot all, ..... much as it may come as a shock to some people, we're in the entertainment business, where you attempt to sell yourself ...... Pools adopt the novel, if not unique approach, of keeping very, very ....quiet.... and then some people wonder why speculation runs rife.... it's called cause and effect.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Ignore the t r o l l snowy.

N please don't quote him I have him on ignore

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Results are the be all and end all.

One of the best Pools performances I've seen in the last two seasons at home was when we lost 2-0 to Stevanage last season, we passed the ball on the ground and well throughout plus created six or seven good opportunities, compare that to the Leyton Orient game when we were awful but scored twice late to win 2-1. I felt decidedly better leaving the latter!

Ritchies birthmark · **Joined:** Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:31 am **Posts:** 5637

Winning games is what everyone wants but when you lose you want to feel like you at least tried to win. Entertainment is key to this. If you create lots of chances and have fans excited then they will look forward to coming back even in defeat. This rarely happens these days. You leave disappointed and dread the following game as it will no doubt not bring much and more misery.

If fans are honest in the 23 games this season at the vic in the league, How many times did you feel excited for the next match, was it a chore coming to watch?? If you win games then entertainment means nothing, people will simply turn a blind eye. It's not very often we win though. Attracting fans to the vic is the future of the club. Playing entertaining football will bring back fans and that's the bottom line. 0-0 bore draws ain't gona sell tickets

Ritchies birthmark · **Joined:** Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:31 am **Posts:** 5637

As I said you win games entertainment means nothing.

During the run under Wilson i remember being at Stockport. We were 3-0 down and everybody was singing were gona win 4-3 but actually believed we could. We came out 2nd half and destroyed them and drew 3-3. Fans were loving it, it was only a point but we were entertained. It does matter. Leaving grounds happy that you played well keeps spirits up regardless of result.

Nowadays people leave grounds early as they have had enough. Massive difference

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Ritchies birthmark wrote:

As I said you win games entertainment means nothing.

During the run under Wilson i remember being at Stockport. We were 3-0 down and everybody was singing were gona win 4-3 but actually believed we could. We came out 2nd half and destroyed them and drew 3-3. Fans were loving it, it was only a point but we were entertained. It does matter. Leaving grounds happy that you played well keeps spirits up regardless of result.

Nowadays people leave grounds early as they have had enough. Massive difference

Brilliant video of that day on youtube. clappp

Ritchies birthmark · **Joined:** Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:31 am **Posts:** 5637

We are unbeatable getting sang over and over. We took shit loads down aswell I recall maybe 2000+???

Even 3-0 down we wernt out of it. We had goals allover the pitch in the team and played attacking football. We were a joy to watch back then

Hopefully those days can return

Chrissy Stevo · **Posted:** Mon May 20, 2013 12:43 pm

Until Ken can admit he's got it wrong for the last few years and just start from scratch then I fear them days are a distant memory.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

True up to a point Chip, but Pools' teams have always had some "dull,dull,dull,characterless types" alongside the tricky wingers, the silky skilled midfielders (you're not thinking of Roy Hogan are you?) and the out and out nutters like Bob Newton.

It's a long list, but here's my starter for 10:

Harry Wilson.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

Chip Fireball wrote:

We have so few players now that generate any excitement. Must be one of the slowest, dullest, teams in ages. Seriously, Austin, Hartley, Collins, Humpty, Sweeney, Monkhouse, Howard, Walton, etc, dull,dull,dull,characterless types, if they were horses you would have them put down.

Agree with this Chip.

Not only do have no characters, we no class either.

A recipe for dull football.

And I cant see it changing soon.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

I think you should be our new manager Mr Dibble.

I'm not sure what the natives who start to get restless if we haven't had a shot after three consecutive passes would make of the introduction of Tikka Takka to Victoria Park though.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

Who cares?

You could give em 10-0 wins every week and they still wouldnt get it.

But no thanks.

league two shite isnt for me.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

These people need educating in the art of the beautiful game.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

PJPoolie wrote:

These people need educating first

Updated for accuracy

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

I still havent forgiven the muppets for letting James Brown go.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Some real diamonds have slipped through our fingers over the years;

Neil Danns
Jermaine Easter
Jack Wilkinson
John Borthwick
Jonny Rowell

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Mon May 20, 2013 6:51 pm

James Brown was a tough one, I don't think he was ever going to be the same player after those knee injuries. Such a shame but I think we made the right call on it

Ritchies birthmark · **Joined:** Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:31 am **Posts:** 5637

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Some real diamonds have slipped through our fingers over the years;

Neil Danns
Jermaine Easter
Jack Wilkinson
John Borthwick
Jonny Rowell

Diamonds with borthwick mentioned that made me laugh. Looking at the others danns was on loan so was never ours, Easter was poor for us and struggled to score in a team that was scoring goals for fun, jack wilkinson looked the part but seemed to be a flash in the pan, and Rowell, I know chip spunks over him but he wasnt anything special. He now bench warms for a poor team in a poor league. After leaving pools he went to Belgium and then had a trial at Gateshead who chose not to take him which suggests he isn't as good as fireball pretends.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Mon May 20, 2013 7:25 pm

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Some real diamonds have slipped through our fingers over the years;

Jack Wilkinson

Spender · **Posted:** Mon May 20, 2013 8:40 pm

Yubep wrote:

Ignore the t r o l l snowy.

N please don't quote him I have him on ignore

Nothing I have ever read on the Bunker has made me happier than this, you bandy-brained, self-abusing, dog-noncing, incapable spelling, sub-53-IQ, sheep-worrying, grammatical first year, hypocritical, total fuck up.

Ignore that, dick head.

I was a Poolie when you were a hopeful wank, and little has changed.

Stayed off the bunker

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