Never judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes.
At least then when you make judgement, he is a mile away ...and you've got his shoes.

Some folk think they can just "do what they like" and get away with it.
2 in a room, 2 outside filming - YOU DIRTY BASTARDS !
She was 'pissed as a fart' & NO MEANS NO !!!
Only 1 bloke has been charged, the others should 'hang their heads in shame' well, the Port Vale player should be 'bloody thankful' he's still a free bastard, thought it would be both guilty. Hope you get bummed in Prison evans, you 'piece of shit'.

Mr Tree your talking sense-whether the pissed girl was up for it or not is a matter only Evans and herself will ever know-a bit like Titus and Tess Bramble. The fact is a jury have found him guilty. Sheffield UTD covered this up a man is innocent till proven guilty but surely his legal team would know this was looking custodial long before today. He has played not like a man knowing he was facing time at Her Majestys pleasure.

Sad fact of life is he has got 5 years-likely out in 3 believe me he will have no shortage of suitors when he is released- Hughes actions killed someone-Oldham gave him a contract on release and he stalks about like he never took the life of another through drink,drugs,getting in his Merc etc.

Maybe this might show footballers they are not untouchable and have to toe the line like the rest of us-5 years for rape though is taking the piss-if the girl genuinely did not consent and evans commited "burglary" he deserves all he gets-10 years no parole minimum if you adk me them on the sex offenders list for life.

The sad truth is he will be employed as a footballer again. He's 24 this year so even if he serves full term he'll only be 29, that means he will be playing again (IMHO).

Mind you if he ever plays here I may ask Cleveland police if he's notified them of a change of location, which he will have to do because he'll be on the sex offenders register. So he has to inform the local police if he's staying within their area on a specific date. So if he signs for a London club and they play Pools on say Saturday 15th August prior to leaving London he must inform Cleveland Police that he will be in Cleveland on the 14th August and when he's leaving the area. This might make clubs think about signing him , if he fails to do that he will be in breach of his conditions and liable to recall to prison to serve the rest of his sentence.

Sadly Bob Evans will be a free man by the 2015/16 season if he keeps his nose clean-he will be less than 28 years old-he will have had several years keeping fit in the gym, will have played footy for HM wherever he is (Wakefield nick I would reckon) like Vinnie Jones in mean machine-cons vs screws etc and then walk right back into a reasonable contract for at least an L1 club-clubs have no conscience. Not many sex offenders can leave the nick knowing they'll get work as easy.

Mind by being Devils advocate if on release he signed for Pools would that raise many eyebrows-if a dispicable low life got 30 girls for us would we worry about his past?? Sheffield Utd best distance themselves quick-surely they must have know their prize asset was looking at porridge-maybe if Sheffield Wednesday got promotion and UTD don't that might be an irony-not for the victim if indeed he is the low life we regard him as....

I don't think anyone comes out of this looking good...the girl claimed they both raped her, yet the jury is saying the first bloke did and the 2nd bloke didnt?

As I understand it (and I could be wrong) she claime dshe was too drunk to give consent--but it seems as though the jury thought that didn't apply to the first bloke but did apply to the second.

As I say once all the hysteria goes away here this does seem a fairly nuanced case.
It definitely does not say a lot for Evans or his mate who got off, and I agree with the earlier poster who said it seems like they have an air of entitlement to them.

If he could get 30 girls for me he would be my bestest friend.

Seriously I hope he enjoys his 2 and a half years of rough sex with his cell mate.

So as none of us were close to the case and all we are going on is the 'jury's verdict 12 good men and true'

Evans = Low life scumbag
His mate = innocent law abiding citizen

in my honest opinion and nothing more i strongly believe if there was to be one club who didn't sign him it would be Pools. I don't think KH/IOR would allow it, they have strong beliefs in the club not being embarrassed and it's for that reason I believe it won't happen. But there are many others who will try to get his signature.

No, that should read, his mate = lucky too get away with it, but also a low life scumbag.

ok so we arent going on the jurys verdict then just what we've read on the internet when we had 5 minutes spare.

The booze strikes again -an unfortunate slip GOALs it was ...I hope he takes a SMALL tube of vaseline inside with him.
Doesn't it sicken you to read another footballer does as he pleases, not just in the Premiershit but L1 aswell. How come she consented to the first and then Evans steamed in?? does Booze work like that?

The crime of rape if correct is serious and Evans should nor be set free for at least 10 years. Will Danny Wilson have any comment?? interesting Evans was on the bench last match and not in the starting line up-did they know he would not be with them this weekend??

Wrong as it is who wouldn't sign a 30 goal striker for free with a dodgy past?

McDonald took the girl back to the room, now although she drunk he may well have believed that when she said yes she was sober enough to be giving consent, and maybe that's what the jury found him not guilty on (I'm not saying it's right or wrong)

There but for the grace of god, there's many men who have taken a drunken girl home had sex with her because she said yes, well in this age because of the law it's not that simple.

While on the other hand Evans let himself into the room and watched before believing he was being given consent. Did the girl know he was going to be there(along with the other two) if the jury decided she didn't then the fact she was drunk comes into it, or that's how I see it. Evans should not have been in that room, why did he go and let himself in. So in his case I'm with his 12 just and true men.

But it's not black and white and I may be wrong in both instances that's just my opinion.

yes its a tough one and I am not pretending to know the details it appears everyone was shit faced the 2 blokes are claiming she gave consent she is claiming she didn't, and the jury are saying she did to the first bloke but not 2 the second bloke..given it seems to be one persons word against another it is very strange to me how one person is let off and the other jailed.

As i say no one comes out of this looking good, and just like you I could be wrong in my understanding.

The flip side is once he has served his time the whole point of prison in theory is to protect society and reform the criminal, to say we would never sign him is to basically say you do not believe in the criminal justice systems capacity to reform.

Having said all that I would not want him within a hundred miles of pools!

The media are scumbags when it comes to reporting on anything like this.

I recently served on a jury that was for a high profile case and the reports in the media were way off the mark.

We were presented a completely different and full picture compared to the one in the papers, on the news and the internet. When the defendants were sent down for a long time, there were some quarters that tried to defend it still, even though it was clear cut and the decision was the correct one.

The jury is a very important part of the judicial system and the media should have no part of it until the case is done.

P!ss poor and cheap reporting is everywhere these days, with the BBC being one of the biggest culprits!

The problem is that rape and consent are very closely linked.

The reality is unfortunately that case was probably decided by the barristers. It is the prosecution barrister's job to make the jury feel sympathy for the girl and the defence's job is to try and discredit the witness evidence, bring their credibility in to question and make the defendant look vilified.

On a different day with 12 different jurors and a better defence barrister it could have been so much different

Don't be surprised to see her story very soon in some sleazy sunday rag.

footballers must set a good example, so it shows that the likes of Sheffield Utd do not give a fuck about any of this, by virtue of the fact that despite the outcome - and despite the fact they MUST have known what would happen - their attitude was points on the football field is more important than this
I would be appalled if Pools ever did similar

I'm really glad they got relegated from the premier league now, and went down again.
Before this I didn't give a fuck about them, now I hope they go bust. No morals, mind you they're probably not the only club who would do this

He hadn't been before a jury so why shouldn't he have played
He's your best player, you're going for promotion, too right i'd want him in my team.
Also apparently 8-10% of all rape allegations are false. These are ones proved to be false, but how many more slip through the net placing innocent men in prison for crimes they did not commit?
Men who, by maintaining their innocence, suffer a harsher regime for doing so as they cannot address an offending behaviour that does not exist.
If the girl was too drunk to consent to sex then Macdonald is guilty as well.
There's going to be an appeal, possibly a retrial.
It's going to be interesting!

I see your point but every case has to be looked at on its own individual merits,and in this case the lawyers must have realised he was in hot water, and so must that football club.They should have placed him on gardening leave, as happens frequently with employees in all walks of life - in similar situations where discipline may have been breached

It stinks and you must see that!!!

He wasn't playing like someone who was guilty of rape and going to jail for a considerable time
He's swapped goals for gaol. I just hope he hasn't gone to jail an innocent man!

that goes without saying...but it must be harder to convict someone than to admonish them!! Evidence must be provided etc...so if they must be sure of guilt and convicted him, then it's doubtful there's been a miscarriage of justice!!

There's an expert on these matters posts on here!!!! And it's not you or me!!!

Most are experts on here though, probably because he scored a few goals against us this season, he has a bit of cash and he's Welsh.
So, Mcdonald took a girl willingly back to his hotel, now am I the only one who thinks that if a girl agrees to go back to somebodies place they are giving a strong indication of consent? My point is if she consented with him, how can she have gotten more drunk between him finishing and Evans starting for her not to be able to consent?

The whole case is frightening considering the frequency of which blokes bring women home for sex, surely if the woman agrees to come with you and engages in activity with you without any resistance then it is not rape.

I am of course not trying to defend rapists, it just startles me how fine the line is between consent and non-consent. Usually if somebody says 'rape' the first thing that springs to mind is somebody being forcfully taken to a location and having sex forced upon them.

We only know snippets of what went on,but 12 people heard all the details and passed judgement on him.

And there's not the term used "miss carriage of justice"

I can see where Mr LT is coming from, if she was so drunk that she cant remember consenting to sex with Evan's then how does she know she didn't ?

Like LT say's it is a very very fine line there has been many a case when women have woke up in the cold light of day and realised what went on and have cried rape (not that i'm saying this lass has just that it does happen)

I myself in my younger days have been out chatting up a Lucy Pinder lookalike and waking up in the morning with a big fat stinker who looked like grottbags and thinking a didnt did i !!!!

Haven't we all

he scored the penalty against us
now he paying the penalty

Stupid fellow, Easily the best footballer ive seen this season.

She willingly went back to the room with McDonald, that may have have given the jury some doubt as to whether it was rape or not, hence the not guilty verdict against him, some jurors had doubt. Evans let himself into a room she may have claimed she didn't know he was going to be there and therefore wasn't giving him permission regardless of her state through drink, but may have been to drunk to do anything about it. Therefore the jurors decided that he had sex without her consent which equals rape. Ask yourself why did he go there and why did he let himself in to the room ??? That would almost certainly make me have doubts, if it was consensual why didn't he go back with the girl and McDonald ?? She didn't go back to the room willingly with Evans That was evidence given.

All the details seem massively vague but from the limited snippets that are available I'm a little surprised that CE was found guilty. I find it hard to believe that 3 men would watch one man rape a young lass without trying to stop him mates or not.

Surely if the lass had of said no - at least one of the lads would have dragged his mate off her. The rape seemingly wasn't forceful as she had no marks and CE and his mate claim that she consented to them both. There must be more to it than what's in the reports for CE to be sent down.

The lass doesn't seem to remember a lot, according to one report she had been drinking double vodkas and believed she may have been spiked. Is there any evidence that she was spiked? Does spiking actually happen or is it something that people say when they either can't remember, feel ill or have possibly done something they regret...?

Like Mr LT says - there is a fine line between between consent and non consent is this type of situation. If she did agree to have sex like CE and McDonald claim - is drunken consent still consent?

If it isnt 99% of fella's on this board are probably rapists then (i left off the 1% for POK )

Not anymore law changed few years ago.

Evans is 7/1 to score next week, big Al from wing D is 2/1 fav to score with him though

Maybe one of the legal experts on the board could share the legal standpoint - I think Mr Fat Man is in that profession isn't he..? Maybe there is a reason why the key details of the case seem to be missing from most reports...?

Also if drunken consent isn't adequette consent then like you say a lot of blokes could find themselves in the dock.

Youd really do that bob?

Some of his team mates on Twitter calling the lass a gold digger and other vile stuff.

They want shooting with shite.

Maybe that's what she is?
Some of his pals will have been in court for the full trial.
Maybe the evidence isn't as clear cut as one might imagine? If that's the case why shouldn't his pals be angry!
Mind, as chip will agree, I wouldn't believe everything you read on twatter!

No but I presume under freedom of Information Act 2000 some people could ask it..



Do you honestly believe that Sheffield United would have given players time off in a lead up to a crucial game with MK to attend a trial nearly a 150 miles away, because I don't. Lets say they trained 10-1 every day, leave for 2 arrive Caernarfon at 4 they not exactly going to hear a lot of the evidence.

In his own evidence Evans admitted deceiving the receptionist to get a keycard and then, having let himself in, saw McDonald having sex with her. Why did he do that(deceive receptionist) ???????

He also left the hotel through an emergency exit and met McDonald outside..again Why did he do that ???????

When asked why he was anxious to leave the room Evans said: “Because I didn’t want to be in the room in case my girlfriend rang.”

Why again surely he didn't have to answer any call , his mobile would have shown who was calling ???????

In my opinion his own words make things difficult for him and that's probably why the jury found him guilty.

LT you seem to believe the woman is lying that's your right, I and others tend to think that his story doesn't hold water.

Out of interest how did pools fans react to Bob Newton signing after killing someone through drink driving?

Bob, where have I said that I believe that she is lying
To me it just doesn't look as clean cut as many are making out.
Twelve amateur sleuths on a jury decide one guy raped her and the other didn't, and you swallow it.
Though when has a jury ever been wrong

You know, last night I was pondering as I lay in bed looking up at the stars and I thought to myself, where the fuck's the ceiling?

Ok maybe me saying you thinking she was lying were not the right words. But the jury is part and parcel of our justice system. If those 12 are amateur sleuths at least they being sleuths on all the evidence they heard, your being a sleuth on bits and pieces, your taking his side in all the posts you've made on this topic. Now if you were on the jury the outcome may have been different, we don't know if it was a unanimous guilty verdict or a split verdict, you may have still been over-ruled if you were on that jury.

You seem to be taking his side over the victim, you have decided through whatever that she hasn't been honest, lets see what you've said about her, through no evidence at all......





What a load of bollocks that is, maybe a woman may be of the opinion that resistance is futile and may result in worse.

I pray to god a woman relative of yours never goes through being raped, she won't get sympathy off you and even less if the man just says well I thought it was consensual because she didn't resist.

And before you say it I'm not taking her side I'm putting my faith in the justice system, it may be wrong in some cases and even this one but that for Evans and his legal team to prove. At the moment he is a convicted rapist.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I'm sure I'm not the only person who feels seriously uneasy about the verdict in this case.
If it was a relative of mine and I was 100% certain that the guy was guilty i'd also want to appeal against the verdict which was given to Mcdonald. Maybe she will ?
I just don't like to see a young man's life destroyed when there is so much that doesn't appear to support the verdict that was given. The British justice system is not failsafe!!!

No but theres some very conflicting stories coming across on twitter

Klinsmann would have got 3 life sentences

I can't help but Wonder why someone constantly makes the girl out a liar and him innocent. If their was any doubt about getting a conviction the CPS would have nfa it.
I know women can lie,as I was nearly called to give evidence for a copper who had once acted as a liason officer in a case I was involved in. This woman put the copper thru Hell for over a year,If nearly lost his job,and family thru the strain.
She accused him of molesting her when if called into see her about her trying to get criminal injuries compo,he proved she could not of been injured,she then lied about him touching her up

I agree with that but as Chip says there were many people who thought there was enough evidence to convict.

Can I presume unless a defendant pleads guilty in any court case regardless of the evidence you will feel uneasy if they're are found guilty. Because as in this case you wont have heard all the evidence so you must feel the same. As far as your concerned every case must have doubt, that's what your appearing to be saying as far as I can see from your posts. Of course our judicial system isn't perfect but it's what we live by, and as I previously said he has the right to appeal.

Lightning- Can see where you are coming from but its appears in this case Evans was guilty. Like has been said you have to trust the system even if occasionally it doesnt deliver the right answer. I respect the fact you are speaking up for the underdog, in this case Evans. I think its people like you you keep democracy alive in this country, seeing it from the other persons point of view, its so easy to say KILL HIM, HANG HIM etc, nevertheless with this one you are probably wasting your time.

The whole saga is a mess. The reports go into very little detail and from the limited amount I had read I hadn't seen that he had left through a fire exit like FB said for example.

The fact CE seems to have come across as an arrogant tosspot has probably gone against him. As have other factors that possibly aren't public.

- Aside from the case which is difficult to comment on if you weren't there thoughout a possible point to consider is that most people will of had drunken sex in their lives with someone who they met for maybe 2 hours or less...? Most of us probably know of people who have admitted to having sex with a lass and then sneaking out in the morning to avoid giving phone number...? Most of us may also even know of people who have lied to a woman to impress her either about their job, their marital status, what car they drive or whatever.

If a lass actively partakes in sex in the moment without resistance but then has the missing hours, confusion and regret in the morning. She may then say she was too drunk to consent and that could put a lot of blokes into bother. Especially if the bloke has told a few porkies on the way and / or left in a rush in the morning.

I think MR LT's point about being uneasy is the fact that the information on the trail is vague and all the onus appears to be massively on the bloke to read whether a lass is too pissed or not.... And even if she does consent by agreeing to sex at the time, the bloke can still be in bother if she's had a lot of alcohol.....

I'll ask one question if a woman says she was to drunk/drugged up to have consented, can a man use he was to drunk/drugged up to know what he was doing if the woman has said no ??????

It's a rhetorical question, but it's a thought. My client was to drunk to know what he was doing said human rights lawyer Mr Illmakeloadsoutofthisandothercasesanddontgiveafook