Why is everything always turned into a race thing?

There's black scum and there is white scum.

There's been 28 murders in Nassau so far this year, only one victim was white ( a businessman who was the target of a professional hit). The rest are just scum killing scum.

racist pig

Thats exactly what I said that ages ago Mr OO

It seems like there's some difficulty in understanding that everywhere there's scum that do terrible things whatever their colour.

By the way a white/black* black/white* cannibal hasn't eaten PoK has he/she*. He's not said anything since the second post. I thought this would be right up his street.

*Guardian readers delete as felt necessary.

for me, differentiating by skin is pointless.....they dont say "ginger person murders 4" so why bring skin colour into it

The Hartlepool Mail had a headline last week ... Ginger thief hunted.

thats the Mail for you

Fookin' typical. You completely overlooked brown and yellow cannibals.

Aye I'll be shoving them in the ovens next, me, like!

Wrote a reply, then edited it.

apparently someome was stabbed and killed in old Saltburn town last night.


I'll bet you all 5p that the killer wasn't black.

I bet it was a he and he was of the underclass..the pc term for scum.

OK, I'll bet you 5p he wasn't black

Can I have my money now?

I think people are forgetting about this young kid who has had his life taken away for nothing in the midst of all this.

At the end of the day it doesnt matter if the stabbbed or stabber is white or black, a young lad has lost his life and dont forget that.

Dont get me wrong i have my views on gangs/knife and as far as i am concerned if you are in a gang and go about giving it large you get what you deserve but this kid like that young black kid Taylor who bled to death on a staircase on his own are innocent victims and it is very very sad.

Taking the biscuit.

Why would he go out nicking ginger?? It doesn't cost much anyway......

Just for the record:

The thieving scum that did my house over a few weeks ago, were most definitely white.

So does anyone know of any knife wieldng black gang I can approach to go and stab these fookin scum white trash to death.

A pm will do. Ta.

Taken from The Times. Some interesting points and Statistics. Worth a read.

Perhaps it will come as a vague consolation to the parents of Ben Kinsella that he was not murdered for racial reasons, but simply because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time, as they say. Ben, aged 16, who was white, was stabbed to death by three black men near a nightclub in north London; there was no apparent motive for the murder.

If you were a cynic you might argue that if a black kid had been stabbed to death by three white men in an otherwise motiveless attack then the community centre would already have been built by now and the grieving parents recognised in the honours lists.

It is good that we are quick to become enraged by violent white racism, that it appals us and makes us examine our society, claw away in an attempt to discover those subterranean causes. But what of this, apparently, non-racist murder? Just as much brutal honesty is required to confront it, I think. Maybe more.

The truth is, violent white-on-black crime is a rarity in Britain, by comparison – although white-on-Asian crime is rather less so. The overwhelming bulk of violent street crime in London is committed by young black men, and in numerous cases against white people, although one would not impute a racial motive; the statistics suggest that young black male criminals are quite happy to stab or shoot anybody who hoves into view with either a bulging wallet, a mobile phone or an assumed reflection of disrespec’ in their eyes.

Apologies if this offends – but that’s how it is. At most, the African Caribbean population of London is about 12% of the whole. But black males are responsible for nearly 60% of arrests for robbery – and the overwhelming majority of gun crime, most of it black-on-black violence.

We skirt this issue, mostly for decent, if deluding reasons – that a proportion of young black males is more likely to commit violent crime than other sectors of the population. It is a form of racism, though, to assume that the problem is simply a given, and unalterable – but we have been hamstrung in our attempts to deal with it for reasons of political correctness.

The propensity of some young black males to underachieve at school and later commit crimes of violence has been seen for too long as a roguish expression of cultural diversity, exacerbated by our own inherent racism and economic oppression; in other words, it’s not their fault. Indeed the culture of violence, misogyny and epic drug abuse, exemplified in rap music, has been lapped up by a bovine liberal white culture that finds the vibrancy and “edginess” of gangsta rap something in which we should all exult and indeed emulate.

At the same time, we are reluctant to draw attention to the fatherless families in our black communities, the absence of male role models and teachers, even though we know that this is not a good thing, as we increasingly realise it is not a good thing for white boys either. We have been shy of condemning this demeaned culture for fear of being branded racist; too quick to make excuses when the education statistics arrive and show black males right down at the bottom, even below poor whites. But not black females, note; they do well at school and are high achievers later on too. This is only a racist thing if you make it a racist thing.

There is a horrible symmetry to the case of Ben Kinsella. He foresaw, in a school essay, that he might one day be stabbed to death in the street, although he was too nice a kid to suggest that the perpetrators would be black.

His assailants, meanwhile, quite incapable of writing an essay, had demonstrated their own commitment to the eventual murder by having previously been variously convicted of extreme, nihilistic violence, robbery and selling drugs. All parties were set on a trajectory which was to end in Ben’s death. In his last moments, Ben asked of the young men wielding the knives why they had picked on him. No sentient answer was forthcoming, apparently.

Do we fook skirt the issue.
All we ask is what does this statistic prove? That all black people are dangerous? No of course not. What then? Does it prove knife attacks are more likely to come from black youths. Quite possibly. OK then, so what next? What does knowing that change? When they get caught they get sent to jail, like any other criminal. So what the fook do the chuntering masses really want? They don't seem interested in understanding the causes of the problem, so let them come right out and say it: what the fook do they want?

Secretly they would like all niggers shipped out, as well all asians etc etc.

It still wouldnt have stopped the foookin white scum trash that robbed my house though would it?

Tougher sentencing and a bit of justice?

Ben Kinsella is the ground now and it may be a bit melodramatic but he's not going to uni, going to pass his exams, get a job and go through all the ups and downs other people do

Meanwhile the shitehawks who killed him will still get up everyday, watch TV, eat, drink and be merry (to a certain degree) and no doubt won't serve anywhere near the nineteen years they have been given

If all goes well for them they will be out and about before they are thirty

Is that justice?

Is it fook

Has anyone said it is justice like?

But I suppose blaming niggers generally is?

About the only decent post on this thread while everyone else is arguing over a fooking term to actual describe the perpetrators. Some of u lot need a reality check. God help us if we get ......burn or ....pool in the cup next season.
[quote="verbalkint"]I think people are forgetting about this young kid who has had his life taken away for nothing in the midst of all this.

At the end of the day it doesnt matter if the stabbbed or stabber is white or black, a young lad has lost his life and dont forget that.

Dont get me wrong i have my views on gangs/knife and as far as i am concerned if you are in a gang and go about giving it large you get what you deserve but this kid like that young black kid Taylor who bled to death on a staircase on his own are innocent victims and it is very very sad.[/quo

No, but when I EVER said that.....

Regardless of colour, life should mean life


Old fashioned I know, but there ya go

Correct. But what does that have to do with "statistically, most knife attacks are by black youths"?

I don't know, its not my point, I never posted that and you know what they say about statistics.....

Like I said, regardless of colour, life should mean life, not seven years

Absolutely no one is forgetting the sadness of it all.
But apparently, to a majority of people, it does matter that the stabbers were black. It's the likes of me and ADG who are saying does it fook matter.

Aha, so you just latched onto my post for convenience, you bounder!

Monty, of course it matters that they were black. It matters that an overwhelming majority of knife and gun crime is carried out by young black men. It matters because you can't fix a problem that you refuse to accept exists.

The point is that this so-called exclusive ownership of crime by young black men with knives, doesn't exist in any of our areas, only yours. And you've never produced any data to prove it exists as you describe it in your area, either.

Who said is was exclusive? Jesus, the PC brigade cannot accept what is blatently provable; most knife crime is committed by black men. As for data, refer to the Times article above. Or are they a bunch of raving BNP voting, bedsheet wearing knights of the ku klux klan too?

What I am calling exclusivity is your dwelling on black knife crime while at the same time rarely if ever mentioning other crimes by other groups.

There is no data at all in the Times article, interesting though it is. Data would consist of figures of knife crimes committed in specific areas, together with figures of the ethnic backgrounds of the people committing the knife crimes. This would then be looked at aginst other crimes in the same areas, and the people committing those crimes also.
That is the only objective measure there is.
You can cast petty jibes about pc as much as you like but the fact is that unless you have data you have no argument

Ok then fair enough, you can't convince someone who operates on the Lord Nelson telescope method. I'm exiting this subject in the comforting knowledge that there are no ships and there is no knife crime in the uk. Thank you for your reassurance.

Mr I, the bit I can't get my head round is why it is so important that knife crimes are committed by niggers? What difference does it make? Does it make a solution easier to find? As far as I can see it's a complete red herring.

I would say it most definitely gives a potential for stopping or at least reducing knife attacks. If you know who is potentially going to be the perpetrators then you can at least try and do something about it. Operation Trident is specifically aimed at potential black shooters in London and the Met claim some success in that. Why not extend it to potential stabbers as well? The end result is the same, a corpse, therefore I would think the methodology would be similar. Collecting data doesn't do much except fill sheets of paper.

I agree that knowing the facts and figures about crime is a factor in preventing, but surely that's why data is necessary, isn't it? To get a true picture and not just one manufactured by the media.
The point is that to eradicate crime, you need a total picture, not just a picture about the crimes that are committed by black knifers. The people who have made the point that there are other crimes and other criminals, and illustrated this with examples, Mr I dismisses as 'exceptions' to the rule.

The inescapable thought that comes from this is that it's a theory about crime that racists can and do use. That's why it matters.

Hartlepool has a lot of scummy drug taking filth. All white. A lot of whom will use violence to help service their addictions.

My Family, your family, and every other family in Hartlepool, is more likely to be beaten up by white trash, than by any knife wielding black man.

So will getting rid of knife wielding black gangs in London, help protect us in Hartlepool? Will it fook.

We have our own problems. And they affect us much more than black gangs in London do.

I could tell you about an innocent youth beaten up outside a Hratlepool school yesterday, reported to the police, beaten up by white blokes, for his dinner money probably.

It could have ended up really serious. Luckily it didnt.

Like I said, we need to exterminate our own filth.

Just realised what I did there.

I said "our own" filth.

Like I have some kind of responsibility for them?

Shit.

I've just spent 15 minutes reading this, as frodraff rightly says it follows a familiar line..

I am appalled by this heinous crimes perpetrated by these BLACK yes they where black youths on this innocent lad theres no way you can get away from the fact and if it was white on black the fact would also be publicised if not even more.

As it has been pointed out it could happen to any one of us if you looked at someone the wrong way in certain parts of the country.

The article submitted by Norgepoolie also made interesting reading (although painful to some on here). Its a fact that a growing underclass in this society are growing up with no values at all. What causes this, is it the colour of their skin?? Almost definitely not ..

I give it to you that its lack of respect and discipline thats causing all these problems and thats what we need to get back into society.

I heard a term this morning on the news being used to describe the Iranian Government which is adept for this underclass and it was the one of RATS..

I think this term is totally describes these criminals.. What should we do to elimniate the problems we should eliminate the the rats.. ie stop them breeding .. (I know all you Guardian readers will think this is a bit extreme but it would work)..

All these scum..(white/black /pink with green polka dots ) delete a appropiate .. Wouldn't be so keen on commiting these crimes if they knew if they got caught part of their sentence would be sterilisation to stop them from breeding.. Harsh I know but it would end up with the rats being exterminated either buy evolution (ie becoming useful law abiding members of society ) or by extinction... End of rant...

Apologies to Grabec for sounding too much like a NAZI...

Well, at least it's not racist theory you've got, Pierre!

Excuse me for saying so but that's a bit fookin' obvious innit. It's hardly credible to suggest the bill are steering clear of black gangs and concentrating on catching knife-wielding whites.

But that's a matter for those whose job it is to enforce the law. It's not a reason for repeating "they were black they were black they were black" ad nauseum AS IF WE DIDN'T FOOKIN' KNOW IT.
It's as if people were looking for something extra because the stabbers are black, and I strongly suspect I'm not just imagining that.

Sounds interesting.
I've been reading a couple of articles around the case in the papers, and they were seriously disturbing. Some conversations of the people who 'do' this kind of murder were recorded, and it's obvious that they're totally divorced from reality, ie insane. How many of them are wandering the streets?

Well doesn't it depend on which way you fall?? Is it supposed to be a secret only known to the Police that they're black?? Yeah I agree don't keep underlining it but don't hide it either. Like Mr I says, if you're white and you go wandering around St Anne's late at night, you're asking for trouble and everyone knows who from. That's mainly because we've been warned.

I 'enjoyed' the Kinsella documentary and thought that Brooke presented it really well. With a bit of luck someone will set fire to the silly boy's faces while they're inside. Bad state of affairs when 19 years is seen as a good sentence for murdering someone IMO, though.

It was reported that one of the local crime 'families' have already arranged a warm welcome for them all.

There's plenty of violence inside prisons, (and drugs).
Violence insidedoesnt sort anything at all, so hoping for that whilst blaming the knifers is contradictory.
Gangs carry on in their groups inside. New gangs are made inside. And its even harder to get away from it when in prison obviously. Violence happens. This way of living is emphasised even more.
And then they get out...

And maybe, just maybe, they don't.

Well lets hope the scum kill the scum..................but then lets hope someone else kills the scum that killed the scum.

We would be better off if the gangsters and the gangsta were all dead.

Innit !