Things to do in the house I hope ur not making more foooking babies, ul need the full street soon

I think you are all missing the point - they wouldn't have scored but for the appalling "back pass" from "St Joel" (sorry but he does have almost godlike status & he did have a poor game tonight)

In truth I didn't think the performance was that bad, they quite obviously came for a draw & were very difficult to break down, too many wayward passes I admit, but we were the better team for most of the game (not much praise to be gained from that however - they were poor)

If it hadn't been for the back pass it would have been a draw & none of you would be spouting this shite

yes but that wouldnt be as much fun

but Jan should have saved the shot, when his confidence is low he isn't very good at all......

Ok maybe some people's language will have been out of order, but most players (ones who care - do ours?) are the same during games, telling the ref/linesman or even team mates at times to f*** off etc etc etc... it's all in the heat of the moment and of course they wouldn't act like that walking down the street. Don't you agree though that as fans we've got to get the message across that we're not happy? And don't say just don't go cos for most that is not an option.

Anyway, Jools Holland - cheers good call!

CORRECT.... but 'ifs' don't count, we lost and that's all the record book will say... so spout away, because this is the easy part of our season when we should be grabbing all the points we can, because we're approaching the hard part, the six week run in.

I'll always try and go see Pools...

But as I was saying to another fan before Butdz's error who always goes and sees Pools, it's very difficult to go and pay to watch peformances like that and I think he would have been posting the same stuff but it would be mostly aimed at the whole of the team...

But I'm not a mind reader, otherwise I'd be able to find out what goes on in Wilson's head.

Agreed - isn't that frightening????

A lot of the time his first touch was awful, gave the ball away time & again, but you are right he was the best we had to offer. With luck he will be back to form next game

Say what you like about me - I don't care - but I was one of the ones going mental at Budtz. I was fucking livid. We played boring football AGAIN only to throw it away AGAIN to, amongst other things, a stupid mistake from Budtz.

Fook all the talk of 'bullying' and kicking a man while he's down. Even if we were spoiled by recent great keepers, I've not seen such a stupid goal conceded at the Vic to such piss-poor opposition. I could've saved that. I've never lived in so much fear as a Pools fan than seeing Budtz have a ball come at him, and it's something that I've dealt with for months. Tonight summed it up.

Fair blame on Danny Wilson. I'm officially sick of the bloke, unless Arran Lee-Barrett's really bad enough to be second string (but then again, who bought him?).

I shell out the few spare quid I have going to Pools and the place has been dead for months. I remember when we used to sing. The players lack passion and the manager lacks common sense.

To be fair though, I didn't boo Budtz or mockingly jeer him when he made a 'save' later, but when that's been happening in the Town End (and other parts of the ground) for the last three or four games, you've got to question Wilson's motives and the sanity of week-in-week-out fans who spend good money going to the games to see the same old shit.

As my mate quite rightly said to me, if a Sunday League keeper made that howler he'd be dropped. If some major changes aren't made soon, I don't think we'll recover.

I'm still angry now. I don't know why I put myself through it every week but I will because I love Pools. If that comes out in a fit of anger late in a game that we neither deserved to win or lose, to the shittest single piece of keeping I've seen from a Pools player at the Vic, then so be it. I don't feel bad about it at all.

Ashamed to be a Poolie? Get real ffs

Ashamed to be a Poolie....? ....you're in the game and abuse goes with the territory unfortunately...Generally speaking, if there's any shame flying about, it should be on the pitch and in the minds of management.

I have to agree with Norton John in a way i turned round and told the fecking idiots behind me to shut up and very shortly afterwards walked away towards the corner of the ground. I was more livid with the defence there goalscorer just drifted by the end of the season cant come quick enough for me with hopefully us staying in this division.

I wont stop going regardless of how bad we playing either. Although i often wonder why i dont just goto the pub

Fuck feeling sorry for a player, don't be soft. For his wages I'd be willing to put up with anything

People are talking of verbal fans as the lowest of the low. Maybe we wouldn't hear them if our fans weren't so fucking dire and never sang

I went in the Town End last night just for a change (i usually stand on the Mill House Terrace), and it reminded me why i stopped going in there regularly.

Some folk around me were slating the keeper before a ball had been kicked FFS!!

I'm convinced that some of them go there and will pools to fail so they can vent their spleen. The fuckers get off on it.

At a time when the players really need our vocal support, we do the exact opposite.

No singing.
No encouragement.
No fuck all.

I found it particularly ironic that the loudest the 'fans' were all night was when they were abusing one of their own players...fucking bizarre.

We all know that the lad isnt good enough, in fact he's possibly the worst keeper i've seen at Pools, but do you know what? abuse (cos thats what it was) wont make him play any better........and that stubborn 'lovely lovely person' in charge will keep on playing him (cos the other lads every bit as bad) so we really should be trying to give the lad a bit of support...you know?

And if you cant support him or try to get his chin up after an error, then just dont say anything.

I think the loudest the Town End has sang was at Lee Hughes. That says a lot.

I'm not ashamed, and I'm not ashamed of those that abused Jan - its their prerogative however much i disagree with it.

when I walked behind the goal on me way out I shouted to Budtz to get his head up ,as I do to my own team [shitty saltburn league] when we concede, calling them shite doesn't do anybody any favours -even if they are!!

the lads confidence is shot to pieces, we all know it but we aint in charge of the team. Its Wilson's fault for picking him and if he does put him in the team next match he wants sacking for that alone!


Joel Porter had a stinker granted, but he was still our only real threat.

18 much needed snodgers down the drain, cheers Danny

Agreed! I'd stay behind for an hour after the match just to take it if people wanted to give it out! Are the players really that bothered about getting abuse??? Cos it f***ing doesn't seem like it the way they conduct themselves on the pitch. And they know exactly how to stop it don't they?
I wasn't there last night but have given players verbals loads of times over the years... do they think they can just turn out for the club we all love, go through the motions with no passion, pride, skill or desire and expect us to love them for it?? Because I for one won't accept that.

You seriouly think that he is the worst keeper you have seen at Pools

I can think of a fair few more who were worse than he is

third choice keeper scott allison
who does not inspire confidence harsh reality is
there is not a good enough keeper atr the club

third choice keeper scott allison
who does not inspire confidence harsh reality is
there is not a good enough keeper atr the club

At the end of day Budtz didn't sign himself or doesn't pick himself week in week out so personal abuse is out of order and some of it was terriible and I also felt sorry for the cockfingered Dane. The booing as well when he touched the ball and ironic cheers when he got hold of it were cringe inducing. His team mates must be sick of him as well though, I bet some agreed with the stick these are professionals they should not expect a shot like that to result in a goal.

While the abuse is terrible it is also understandable, it's not as it's his first howler and the team performance in the previous 85 minutes had given the crowd nothing to cheer or even talk about. They vented some frustration, it wasn't nice to hear but from a professional goalkeeper that goal was a line crossed in terms of incompetence.

apparently the players slaughtered him in the dressing room at half time last week(by his own admission) - but obviously it's not going to make any difference when he can't even do the basics. It's up to the hapless bloke in charge to put right what has been so painfully wrong all season. Why does he not do something about this mess?

Now i think about it.........Lance Key was a bit rubbish!

When Budtz let that soft shot go under him I told him to fk off and offered several other suggestions as to what I thought of him.

I can't believe some of the bollox I've read on this thread.

If he plays like that and I've paid to watch then I'm gonna tell him what I think, especially when he is costing us points week after week.

And somebody was blaming the defence?

The defence quite rightly let their guy shoot from there cos he was miles out and should not have been able to score from there. The only thing that the defence did wrong was to assume that their keeper was competent.

And as for saying that the goal was Porter's fault and not Budtz's?

And yes, if I saw Jan Budtz I would tell him that he was a bloody awful impression of a goalkeeper who shouldn't be playing professional football.

And yes, if he plays again and makes similar cock ups then I'm gonna give him pelters from the terrace.

I sincerely hope that I never ever ever see the useless clown in a Pools shirt ever again.

How many points off the relegation places are we now?

We're a lot closer than we should be thanks to the cnt in goal and the cnt who keeps picking him.

precisely - this is the business end of the season and our relegation rivals (did you read that Mr Wilson - R-E-L-E-G-A-T-I-O-N, not the f-u-c-king play-offs) are starting to show fighting spirit - something this team does not have under Wilson. Pools players also seem to accept having a clueless twat in nets, so they half expect to concede anyway - so what chance does a team like that have?

Thank you sir! I thought I was going mad for a second

I agree with a lot of things the 'abuse yellers' are saying. If people can't perform to a certain standard, including managers, they should resign, and there've been an awful lot of sub-standard performances this season that we've paid for. What I don't respect is you lot fighting for the right to react to it all by using neanderthal behaviour. We're supposed to have out-grown all that innit

Anyway, if it doesn't pick up pretty quick I'm off, as I've said. There's plenty of other live entertainment about where the actors, musicians etc have bothered to spend however long it takes to get a good performance together, and where you don't have to consider whther you'll be wasting your money

Neanderthal behaviour? Christ. Please talk some sense

However bad Pools are, I'll go to every game I can - there's no such thing as an alternative. I guess that's where us "neanderthals" differ. If we weren't so passionate about the club and angry at the same old stupid mistakes maybe we wouldn't have to scream UGG at the tops of our voices

Here's a great idea.

All boycott the games, watch the club go down the shitter from a distance and then find summat else to moan about.

I'm ready, Christ have you seen the price of rice since the big freeze??

And vegetables, bloody one yuan, five jiao a half kilo now....

Of course there's such a thing as an alternative. Please talk some sense

Kev, we are trying to talk sense here

Kev, we are trying to talk sense here [/quote]

you sure?

The only alternative is to give up on football altogether as Pools are the only team that matter.Without them the football league holds about as much interest as the Stoke Poges church flower arranging contest.

The only alternative is to give up on football altogether as Pools are the only team that matter.Without them the football league holds about as much interest as the Stoke Poges church flower arranging contest.[/quote]

I agree, Groovy. I certainly wouldn't support another league team.
For me going to the Vic is no longer about supporting a town team, though. I don't see the point in pretending the team represents the town any more. GP might disagree and he might even be right but in his usual charming fashion, other people's views are not right or wrong but nonsense

Then my dear, you are in the wrong place.

I didn't introduce the word 'boycott' I am merely commenting on it. Evidently in a manner that doesn't sit well with you.

I shall reduce it to smaller proportions.

Boycott = ridiculous.

And I didn't introduce the phrase 'talking sense'

Do try and keep up Kev

I think you will find that I am eight hours in front due to the earths rotation relevant to the sun. It is not me who needs to run to stay in one place.

Now, where were we??

Oh yes.

Don't go no more.

Who was first not to go any more??

Me.

We've only got your word for that. You certainly know everything about all the matches......

My contacts are impeccable.

I've read all the shite on this thread, SUPPORTERS, you must be f***ing joking. The way not only Butz but there have been others, Proctor, Gibb, Antwi, Elliott to name a few, who must dread walking towards the townend goal, you've shot their confidence before they have even started. Granted there have been some poor performances but abusing some of the team BEFORE the kick off is out of order. If some of you received the same level of abuse at work you would dread going in each day, the same with footballers, they are only human, again some better than others. What the lads need now is SUPPORT and ENCOURAGEMENT not slagging off everytime they run on the pitch.

You the man Ray!

Original AND fresh!

Anyone who would consider not going to Pools because of 'better entertainment' isn't really a supporter. I don't agree with the way things are going at the moment in the slightest, but I'd never consider stopping watching them.

Going and shouting abuse in extremely dire circumstances > not going at all as a statement.

What the ‘lads’ need to do now is stop playing the football equivalent of a chuckle brothers script

It's the same old shite, week in week out, Nelson was spouting it in the Mail tonight, can he actually read, or count, you have more chance of getting a man on KD Lang then we have of getting in the play-offs, they REALLY need to concentrate on not managing to get relegated, which will be some task, given most of the teams below us have gone into administration and had points deducted, but perhaps I should be happy with a season which has generally been pissed away by a manager who spent nearly two months trying to stop the threat of a 'LDB', which only exists in the mind of cocknocking pundits on SKY and weak as piss managers like Wilson, instead of trying to get a keeper who can actually catch, punch and judge the speed of ball.

I didn't, of course, say that I wasn't going 'as a statement', but for other reasons. When was the last time you actually listened to anyone GP?
Alternatives exist because there is more to life than football and there are people more worthy of support than footballers.

I think you're kidding yourself if you think your anger is because you care so very deeply about the team

Nah, you seemed to say it as a statement so I assumed the obvious. Technically what you said was a statement in general, so I'm right either way

How is that kidding myself? Please tell me. I've only been going to every game I can for the best part of my life and I think it's bullshit to imply otherwise to my love for Pools. I know we can do better, it's probably (on paper) the best team we've ever had. Incompetence on all sides - including most of the team (with or without Budtz) in the Northampton game and a few other games recently - is making me angry, but only because I know we can do so much better.

In probably the only time I've not shouted encouraging things after conceding, I get branded a neanderthal. The people who stand with me know I'm loud but I certainly don't slander the lads. That game typified everything bad about Pools at the moment - how we're doing ourselves injustice constantly. The Town End is dead. In a mlmentary lapse of sanity I lost it and I'm not taking back what I said because it was completely correct.

The fact someone said they were ashamed to be a Poolie is beyond me (unless we chant through a minute's silence, etc), even in the circumstances. I can't accept that people can't have felt angry, desperate or just sad after that game. It just so happens that I was at boiling point. Whatever. Different people respond in different ways.

Pools represents everything I love about sport, the town and other people. Even if we only had crowds of 900 like back in the older days then I'd still go. If that sounds clichéd or "kidding myself" then you're VERY mistaken.

OK let's have a truce.
Mr Norton started the thread by discussing people who were displaying what I call neanderthal behaviour ( sorry....this is getting ridiculous!) If you had only a 'momentary lapse' then you're not one of the people he was discussing. So, that's that I think

Thank you.

one thing's for sure, these message boards get very lively when the team isn't performing or pulling its collective finger out