You have no idea what the Tories had planned so you can’t criticise the current government, they didn’t put abolishing the WFA in their manifesto but neither would any party. The Muslims were walking the streets years ago, they haven’t just started doing since Labour came into power, you have a short memory of all the years of Tory rule lining their mates pockets supplying faulty PPE etc during covid, partying during covid when we couldn’t visit dying relatives and not being able to attend their funerals.

get sick of hearing about the inheritance of property when we die. as if we knew the value of it would go through the roof when we bought it first and its a big cunning plan to stop the government having more to spend or waste depending on how you look at it.

Property prices going up is not an anomaly, I bought a new build house in 1978 at Seaton, it doubled in price within 3/4 years, there is the odd blip like in 2008.As long as there is a housing shortage which I believe the building companies create house prices will alaways increase.

Squeaky clean Labour

Seems Sir Starman is getting some shit off his own members, GOOD the twat.

If the incoming government was deceived as to the state of the countries finances then why should the labour stick to its manifesto promise of not increasing taxes?
Increasing the rate of income tax for the very rich would raise billions. It is them who have benefited over the past decade so why should they not pay.
Grow a pair Prime Minister. You have the perfect excuse.

Your asking HIM to shit on his mates, The very people who sponser him.

They knew very well what they’d be coming into, they’d have had to have access to the finances, all prospective governments are..you don’t get deceived or surprised, you know what you’re coming into….but think you can fix it.
You’re the Captain now Mr Starmer so carry on or come back with the pilot.

The money will be out of the country or under the loving supervision of top tax accountants….the really rich will be bullet proof.
But for those who can’t be arsed….. the exodus has begun..

The very rich knowing the Labour Party would win the election will have already shifted their money out of the U.K.

not for the first time either this has happened. can go back to the first wilson government where the same happened.

It's always going to happen as long as these nutcases think people who sit on millions or even billions are just going to passively twiddle their thumbs whilst politicians openly try to reduce their wealth and then proceed to waste it on idealistic schemes.

Got email of British Gas to say gas/Leccy units Goin up 10% plus anutha large rise in January.

Was expecting that but disgusted that the Standing Charge from October is going up to a staggering £1.15 a day!.
Looks likely its Gunna rise upwards every 3 months Forever.
Greedy Bastads n government don't seem bothered as they will take in more tax.
Greedy Bastads.

i for one do not mind them taking away the fuel allowance if the country was in a real mess and not virtue signalling to the world with their green credentials we are also paying for when a good percentage of the population are against them. same with the present mass immigration costs. us pensioners have to do our bit but only when the rest of the country do and the government ditches idealism over necessity.

in theory you,d expect the price to fall in a period of high use and to go up with little use. that only works if big profits are not the b all and end all of it. surely their labour costs are the same throughout the year and are making money on every unit they sell. do not get me going about the medieval standing charge.

I'm sure there are many pensioners who would gladly give up their WFA, but I'm also equally sure there'll be a large majority who don't qualify for Pension Credit but need every penny they can get. By all means target it at the needy but do a f*cking assessment of the impact and make sure you protect the vulnerable before you do it.

would not mind but annoyed by having worked all my life apart from one year and receive just a state pension to live off to find i do not qualify for pension credits. who actually do qualify then. those who have not worked as many years as me so paid less NI into the system.

SIR Starmer, Clue is in the first 3 letters, He/They could not give a fuck.

Be loads in the same boat as you.
It's a pisstake lazy bastads getting rewarded better.
Then add in the boat specimens we paying for thru tax.

What a mess created by.
Well
Ya know why.

Spot on Accy

Perhaps if every Labour MP lived on what You get for the next twelve months, Accy, and put everything else they get into the treasury to cover this imaginary " what we inherited" crap, they might get the reason why their inbox is overflowing with howling criticism. If they and their leadership think they are doing a fair job then why not put that to the test and have a referendum on the matter.
The next target seems to be Raynors idea of scrapping the single person household allowance of 25% off their council tax. It is estimated that would cost each single occupancy an average of £534 and guess which bracket these individuals mainly come from....yes you've got it...the over 65's. So that's a total of £834 clawed back from some pensioners and £734 from others. Makes the triple lock look a bit sparse don't you think. We are not going to abandon the triple lock but we'll make dam sure we claw it back and more as the next rise in April is estimated at £400.
Meanwhile train drivers have to struggle on 80 grand.
I don't know how they can sleep at night.

22 billion £s hole, Well stop sending money abroad!!!!

I can see Labours answer for abolishing the 25% reduction for single occupancy, Labour said many people are not claiming Pension Credit but should as the WFA allowance has been abolished, if your claim is successful some or all of your Council Tax will be paid followed by pensioners not eligible for Pension Credit can afford to pay the full Council Tax same as they don’t require the WFA.

To all the people who think we pensioners are well off look at it this way, the Living Wage the basic amount you need to live on is just under £24000, it’s more than double of the State Pension yet pensioners are expected to able live on 50% of it.

at this moment of time the average pensioner might be just about comfortable as they know how to scrimp and save and use every pound given to the wisely. however after the next budget and the loss of the fuel payments the stretched rubber band might snap or many. there is a limit on what cut backs anyone can make and we have started already. thank god pools are a bad watch which will save money by my none attendance for a start.

The problem is as you say the average pensioner might be managing just OK, but what about the below average pensioners and those that due to the loss of WFA will be dragged into the below average category?
When their own MPs are saying it's wrong, Old Age Charities are saying it's wrong, Unions are saying it's wrong, the Chief Medical Officer for England has said there'll be excess deaths as a result, then Starmer has to listen and not for the first time do a U Turn.
Maybe his reputation for U Turns is driving his stubbornness to concede?
It's not that long ago both he and Rayner were castigating the government for planning to remove the WFA yet here we are the hypocrites have gone and done it.

Proper own goal this.

I watched Laura K this morning and she didn’t pin Starmer down enough on this subject.

I don’t know the relevant stats re this but supposing that 9/10ths of pensioners have lost this payment and we can all agree that that’s unfair. Why not means test it so that about 6/10ths lose it, thereby giving it to those in need but still saving money and not causing such bad feeling.

Having had an unsatisfactory reply to my email to Mr Brash regarding stopping the Fuel payments I have just emailed him again. I didn't realise the u.k. gives millions in aid to India ( a nuclear power with it's own space program ) Pakistan another nuclear power, Afghanistan ( Taliban) China the worlds biggest economy, and even Russia ( hopefully no longer receiving any.
The minimum living wage is currently £11.44 which for a 40 hour week equates to £23.795 p.a. I agree not every pensioner needs the payments so some cut off point such as being below the minimum wage should be looked at.

Lets wait and see what the next reply will be assuming I get one.

Last post by me on the subject:

THEY DON,T CARE, COULD NOT GIVE A TOSS ABOUT THE NATIONS PEOPLE, but look after their buddies, the ones with ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££.
wankers the lot of them, and if your MP votes for this then tell them what you think of them.....

I dont think you will get a satisfactory reply from our MP as i assume he and many many other MPs simply could not believe what they were being told when this policy was announced.He and others cannot defend the indefensible especially as "Labour" MPs but the Tories would not dare touch such a payment so what the hell are KS & RR up to here.
It has to be watered down but KS wont back down and resentment will bubble on for years.
As far as i am concerned a red line has been crossed and if any more attacks occur on ordinary people i for one will be throwing my toys out of the pram.

more important things going on atm for our pm it seems , jamie.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... s-33598211

I have just read this report.

"The proposed cuts to winter fuel payments will only save about £1.4bn a year. But if all the pensioners who are entitled to pension credit are prompted to apply for it as a result, the total cost of paying out this unclaimed money would cost the government £2.2bn a year—so it might save nothing at all."

£1.4B is 0.12% of total government expenditure (£1200B). Dont tell me thats difficult to find elsewhere.

The more you dig into this the more bonkers its gets.

Halloween day comes a day earlier for our pensioners this year kev... I don't know how those who voted for them can sleep at night,honestly.

From todays press..........Even more hypocrisy if true

Thousands of pensioners could die if winter fuel payments are cut, according to Labour's own research.
The shocking analysis was published in 2017 – when Sir Keir Starmer sat in the shadow cabinet.
It warned that Conservative plans to axe the allowance for ten million elderly voters would increase excess deaths by 3,850 that winter.

And it called Theresa May's proposal, which was later abandoned, the 'single biggest attack on pensioners in a generation in our country'.

The revelation has sparked accusations of 'blatant hypocrisy' from ­Labour's own MPs as the party now forces through the deeply unpopular means-­testing of the energy bill subsidy.

Typical politician focus on some thing popular with the public to divert the pressure from them, there won’t be many pensioners buying Oasis tickets.

there might be if they carry on much longer putting pensioners into their main fan base.

Most pensioners will be mortgage free by getting on the housing ladder many decades ago when it was relatively affordable compared to today.

If or when this 25% c tax discount for single occupancy gets scrapped (only 1 wage coming into home).

Then it's the younger generations private renting n mortgaging who are going to be under severe financial pressures.

Surely to God this can't go through then the tories get the blame for it.

That excuse is becoming pathetic n boring now.
UTR.

you can blame successive governments and people themselves for getting into the state the country is now in. that includes those like me born in the early post war period who might have been the first generation who did not want to do a fair days work for a fair days pay which has carried on even worse as each generations come along. yearly excessive pay rises where demanded if not really necessary and the refusal to do certain jobs of work that people thought were beneath them. then they moan about immigration brought in to fill these positions by people who did not mind the hours they worked or wanting firms to run around the hours they wanted to work themselves. as a nation we cannot have every single thing we want as if we deserve it.

The unions are having a go at them now, calling for them to ditch the cutting of the WFA completely.

imagine how enraged starmer, cooper etc. would have been 12 months back if the tories were suggesting the same thing. shows what a load of hypocrates politicians actually are. fine when we propose something but never if the opposition does the exact same. more like kids in a playground than adults who are ruling our lives.

Should that read ruining our lives?

The false smiles n promises when they are campaigning.
Tell ya anything to get ya vote.
Starmer hasn't smiled for 2 months now n his hair has gone completely grey.
Pressure getting to him big style.

you only find the true measure of a person when they get from you what they asked for. its just politicians do it on steroids. just tell people all the true facts and they might get support then from the general public including those who did not vote for them.

According to Labours own research in 2017, and Sir Chris Whitty the Chief Medical Officer for England, they expect around 4000 excess deaths if the WFA is removed. Are our pensioners lives really only worth 300 f*cking quid?

in their eyes possibly yes. we are the ones who on the whole will not vote labour. we are a drain on the NHS by using it more, we do not contribute to the treasury as much as others and have benefits still that others do not have. in their eyes of pounds shillings and pence the country would be better off if we all snuffed it the day we finally retired.

May this year Starmer was having a pop at the Tories for considering it due to a "£40b black hole" which has now halved and they cancelled WFP themselves!