Winter fuel payments to pensioners

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7023

Grayhoundend wrote:

Bluestreak wrote:

The creation of British Energy makes sense in that its major objective is to ensure long term energy security for the country via what is termed Green Energy.
That will give the UK security from volatile global markets.
I know some people dont like the so called Green agenda but this makes sense.
Generally I dont see the pay settlements made as being excessive. Have a look at the detail of them and it is what you would expect given inflation and they are settlements for several years backdated. Please dont look at figures quoted by the gutter press that add together several years settlements that the past government refused to settle or deal with.

Yes the broadest shoulders should bear this black hole fix as they got the financial benefit of the actions of the previous government.

And "OI" Starmer and Reeves dont touch my f*c*i*g bus pass or pension. Thats a line in the sand!

Just reminds of when i was growing up, North sea oil/gas.
Ours was to become as cheap as chips, Never happened, Still waiting.
False promises by False people.

It would have been but Thatcher sold our oil and gas off, unlike Norway who didn’t and now have a Sovereign Wealth Fund worth 1.4 trillion dollars.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3896

Labour where in power for nearly 14 years under Blair and Brown, did they bring Oil & Gas under public ownership? In fact they made things worse by selling off the UK gold reserves on the cheap. They also hit pensioners back then when they started charging tax on dividends within pension funds, so they have history of clobbering those with the broadest shoulders (the pensioners).

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Wed Aug 28, 2024 11:21 am

Snowy wrote:

Bluestreak wrote:

The creation of British Energy makes sense in that its major objective is to ensure long term energy security for the country via what is termed Green Energy.
That will give the UK security from volatile global markets.
I know some people dont like the so called Green agenda but this makes sense.
Generally I dont see the pay settlements made as being excessive. Have a look at the detail of them and it is what you would expect given inflation and they are settlements for several years backdated. Please dont look at figures quoted by the gutter press that add together several years settlements that the past government refused to settle or deal with.

Yes the broadest shoulders should bear this black hole fix as they got the financial benefit of the actions of the previous government.

And "OI" Starmer and Reeves dont touch my f*c*i*g bus pass or pension. Thats a line in the sand!

Was your dad a ‘toolmaker’…was that a broadcast for the Labour Party

In order to maintain political balance it was the Conservative Liberal coalition that brought in the triple lock and the Conservatives to their credit maintained the winter fuel allowance throughout their term. Here is a hug to all Tories out there

It was Gordon Brown who introduced the winter fuel allowance.
Unfortunately he was not a Toolmaker as they earned a fortune at GEC. My mates dad was a Toolmaker and earned enough to buy a brand new Hillman Avenger

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18862

who would be a toolmaker or be closely related to one nowadays. its getting close to your dad being a mass murderer which with a really bad winter that could become a reality.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7023

Does the trade toolmaker still exist, I can remember machines being loaded up with some form of tape full of holes and the operator stood back and looked on, are they called CNC operators now ?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36345

Bluestreak wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Bluestreak wrote:

The creation of British Energy makes sense in that its major objective is to ensure long term energy security for the country via what is termed Green Energy.
That will give the UK security from volatile global markets.
I know some people dont like the so called Green agenda but this makes sense.
Generally I dont see the pay settlements made as being excessive. Have a look at the detail of them and it is what you would expect given inflation and they are settlements for several years backdated. Please dont look at figures quoted by the gutter press that add together several years settlements that the past government refused to settle or deal with.

Yes the broadest shoulders should bear this black hole fix as they got the financial benefit of the actions of the previous government.

And "OI" Starmer and Reeves dont touch my f*c*i*g bus pass or pension. Thats a line in the sand!

Was your dad a ‘toolmaker’…was that a broadcast for the Labour Party

In order to maintain political balance it was the Conservative Liberal coalition that brought in the triple lock and the Conservatives to their credit maintained the winter fuel allowance throughout their term. Here is a hug to all Tories out there

It was Gordon Brown who introduced the winter fuel allowance.
Unfortunately he was not a Toolmaker as they earned a fortune at GEC. My mates dad was a Toolmaker and earned enough to buy a brand new Hillman Avenger

My Dad was a ships Engineer for Ellerman Wilson and a right bastard, he’d have eaten an Hillman Scavenger. :laugh:

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:10 pm

I just read this,

Current estimates of the total cost of government Covid-19 measures range from about £310 billion to £410 billion. This is the equivalent of about £4,600 to £6,100 per person in the UK.

Maybe its clawback time.

If i gave the government £4,600 would they leave me alone

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6651

Bluestreak wrote:

I just read this,

Current estimates of the total cost of government Covid-19 measures range from about £310 billion to £410 billion. This is the equivalent of about £4,600 to £6,100 per person in the UK.

Maybe its clawback time.

If i gave the government £4,600 would they leave me alone

If you gave them that, They would want to know what your hiding, What are you hiding by the way, Asking for a friend.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36345

Bluestreak wrote:

I just read this,

Current estimates of the total cost of government Covid-19 measures range from about £310 billion to £410 billion. This is the equivalent of about £4,600 to £6,100 per person in the UK.

Maybe its clawback time.

If i gave the government £4,600 would they leave me alone

Are you seriously trying to associate the Tory’s Covid expenditure with the Starmer’s Magic Roundabout financial skills as some lame excuse. :angry-tappingfoot:

You seem to forget that Starmer was demanding more and longer Covid lockdowns and demanding them. So the spend on Covid under Starmer would have been a lot bigger.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18862

Snowy wrote:

Bluestreak wrote:

I just read this,

Current estimates of the total cost of government Covid-19 measures range from about £310 billion to £410 billion. This is the equivalent of about £4,600 to £6,100 per person in the UK.

Maybe its clawback time.

If i gave the government £4,600 would they leave me alone

Are you seriously trying to associate the Tory’s Covid expenditure with the Starmer’s Magic Roundabout financial skills as some lame excuse. :angry-tappingfoot:

You seem to forget that Starmer was demanding more and longer Covid lockdowns and demanding them. So the spend on Covid under Starmer would have been a lot bigger.

starmer and labour got lucky by losing the 2019 general election and so are we. as you said longer lockdowns and possibly harsher measures against anybody who never followed what they wanted. the much mentioned PPE scandel might easily have happened but it would be their mates and not tory ones who would have been involved. might be miles off the mark but do wonder if the tories actually wanted to win the last election and threw many mp,s under the bus.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7023

If all the pensioners who are entitled to Pension Credit claimed it it would cost more than what the WFA cost. It’s a s*** system where you have to apply, not all pensioners have the internet, internet savvy, there should be a system in place where they contact you.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36345

Jamie1952 wrote:

If all the pensioners who are entitled to Pension Credit claimed it it would cost more than what the WFA cost. It’s a s*** system where you have to apply, not all pensioners have the internet, internet savvy, there should be a system in place where they contact you.

Looks like the application form’s a big deterrent, all 24 pages.
Talking about it on the train, yesterday and a lad whose Dad died filled the form in for his mother to be returned because of one box being unticked.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18862

Snowy wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

If all the pensioners who are entitled to Pension Credit claimed it it would cost more than what the WFA cost. It’s a s*** system where you have to apply, not all pensioners have the internet, internet savvy, there should be a system in place where they contact you.

Looks like the application form’s a big deterrent, all 24 pages.
Talking about it on the train, yesterday and a lad whose Dad died filled the form in for his mother to be returned because of one box being unticked.

all benefits either due to age, unemployment or disability should be automatically given to people rather than if they do not know then we will not pay approach. something people should not be having to seek advice from places about or having to do their own research about.

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:33 am

Grayhoundend wrote:

Bluestreak wrote:

I just read this,

Current estimates of the total cost of government Covid-19 measures range from about £310 billion to £410 billion. This is the equivalent of about £4,600 to £6,100 per person in the UK.

Maybe its clawback time.

If i gave the government £4,600 would they leave me alone

If you gave them that, They would want to know what your hiding, What are you hiding by the way, Asking for a friend.

Dont tell anyone especially your friend but i like to operate below the radar.
And to answer another question maybe Labour threw away the 2019 election knowing Covid and UKraine was on its way. Thanks Jeremy.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6651

Mr Sir Starman has said He wants to look after the HARD WORKING people of this country.

Is some one going to remind him, That the pensioners of this country were once the HARD WORKING people of this country.

Can,t believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:20 am

Grayhoundend wrote:

Mr Sir Starman has said He wants to look after the HARD WORKING people of this country.

Is some one going to remind him, That the pensioners of this country were once the HARD WORKING people of this country.

Can,t believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

Pensioners and those getting close need to get the message to him and all the MPs not to mess with us or we will mess with you!

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7023

If the government are so keen to get pensioners to apply for benefits they should be running an advertising campaign on the tv and the radio etc.

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:28 am

Jamie1952 wrote:

If the government are so keen to get pensioners to apply for benefits they should be running an advertising campaign on the tv and the radio etc.

Yes agree or make it automatic.
They hold all the information to make it automatic so why not do it.......its bullshit!

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6651

Jamie1952 wrote:

If the government are so keen to get pensioners to apply for benefits they should be running an advertising campaign on the tv and the radio etc.

Pensioners should not need to claim, The DWP know exactly WHO is entitled to WHAT.
Some pensioners can,t even use the Net.

Just a cop out by the ever caring Government as usual.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36345

What thought process do Starmer and Reeves employ to even believe stopping the pensioners winter fuel allowance would be something that the pensioners would embrace with open arms and all say “Good Old Starmer, God bless you Sir’ and doff their hats in reverence…the dumbest decision since the helmsman on the Titanic said “Fuck it, what’s a bit of ice, we’re unsinkable”.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7023

One for the royalists, 50% pay rise for the king,
https://youtu.be/7RpCTLjVshY?si=k-R_RVeIxdqZYPO6

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12320

Meanwhile the London Tube drivers have just turned down a rise which takes them to £69,600 BASIC wage. With overtime they can earn A HUNDRED GRAND a year and they're still not satisfied. Their Union has recommended them to vote for strike action.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6651

derwent wrote:

Meanwhile the London Tube drivers have just turned down a rise which takes them to £69,600 BASIC wage. With overtime they can earn A HUNDRED GRAND a year and they're still not satisfied. Their Union has recommended them to vote for strike action.

They will get it, No problem.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36345

Jamie1952 wrote:

One for the royalists, 50% pay rise for the king,
https://youtu.be/7RpCTLjVshY?si=k-R_RVeIxdqZYPO6

You commies are all the same

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18862

Grayhoundend wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

If the government are so keen to get pensioners to apply for benefits they should be running an advertising campaign on the tv and the radio etc.

Pensioners should not need to claim, The DWP know exactly WHO is entitled to WHAT.
Some pensioners can,t even use the Net.

Just a cop out by the ever caring Government as usual.

exactly. many will still claim only to find out they are a few pence over the limit and get naff all for their trouble.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18862

Grayhoundend wrote:

derwent wrote:

Meanwhile the London Tube drivers have just turned down a rise which takes them to £69,600 BASIC wage. With overtime they can earn A HUNDRED GRAND a year and they're still not satisfied. Their Union has recommended them to vote for strike action.

They will get it, No problem.

it will still be less a percentage of a rise than charlie three will get without him going on strike who has actually worked less than previously. the only oap to have his life made better yet some of them would be the first to wave the flag if he visited the town they lived in.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7023

If you are a Tube Driver I imagine you would live in the Central London area,you would need a decent salary to survive or buy a property.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18862

Jamie1952 wrote:

If you are a Tube Driver I imagine you would live in the Central London area,you would need a decent salary to survive or buy a property.

apart from that except in glasgow there is nothing to compare that job to in the rest of the country. know for one i would not fancy it one bit.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6651

Jamie1952 wrote:

If you are a Tube Driver I imagine you would live in the Central London area,you would need a decent salary to survive or buy a property.

Thought they would get free transport from out lying areas, Could be wrong.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7023

Grayhoundend wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

If you are a Tube Driver I imagine you would live in the Central London area,you would need a decent salary to survive or buy a property.

Thought they would get free transport from out lying areas, Could be wrong.

I am talking about the cost of housing,

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36345

Jamie1952 wrote:

If you are a Tube Driver I imagine you would live in the Central London area,you would need a decent salary to survive or buy a property.

But that would apply to everybody who has a job in London, can’t give everyone a big wage because housing costs are high.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3445

Snowy wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

If you are a Tube Driver I imagine you would live in the Central London area,you would need a decent salary to survive or buy a property.

But that would apply to everybody who has a job in London, can’t give everyone a big wage because housing costs are high.

You'd be shown the door at the estate agents if you earned less than 500k a year more like.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3445

If any of you think you have an nice bit tucked away for your retirement then you need to think again.October is looming and the Labour party will what to know what we have in our savings account by then.Get used to it,they're coming for the lot.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36345

Sussex UK wrote:

If any of you think you have an nice bit tucked away for your retirement then you need to think again.October is looming and the Labour party will what to know what we have in our savings account by then.Get used to it,they're coming for the lot.

Why does Starmer remind me of Kryten off Red Dwarf…without the personality naturally. :razz:

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sun Sep 01, 2024 11:05 pm

He'll prove to be better than any Tory PM though. Just give him time to sort all the shit out that the tories have caused and left this Country on its knees.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36345

Well he’s doing a sterling job at hiding his genius….and the Tory’s are a piss poor comparison to be measured against for anything!

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7023

This would have the drivers up in arms, driverless trains, some airports operate them to get you from terminal to terminal and other countries do as well including Chins.

A London Underground train capable of running without a driver is undergoing trials in Germany.
The nine-carriage train is the first of 94 due to arrive on the Piccadilly Line in 2025.
They were ordered in 2014 by former mayor Boris Johnson following a manifesto pledge to introduce driverless Tubes.
The switch to automated trains would need huge changes to the Tube's infrastructure, including new computerised signals.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18862

Sussex UK wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

If you are a Tube Driver I imagine you would live in the Central London area,you would need a decent salary to survive or buy a property.

But that would apply to everybody who has a job in London, can’t give everyone a big wage because housing costs are high.

You'd be shown the door at the estate agents if you earned less than 500k a year more like.

if london had the highest wages in the country and the lowest house prices i,d still never dream of living in the dump. when i had to drive down there for work that song of the kinks was stuck in my mind. waterloo sunset mentioning the dirty old river. that was back in the days when people only carried cash and not knives.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3896

The way Starmer has started he'll be lucky to surpass Boris in his achievements!
Boris split opinion, Starmer will be despised by all before his own party oust him.

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Mon Sep 02, 2024 10:12 am

MutleyRules wrote:

He'll prove to be better than any Tory PM though. Just give him time to sort all the shit out that the tories have caused and left this Country on its knees.

I agree but the bar has not been set that high :laugh:

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6651

MutleyRules wrote:

He'll prove to be better than any Tory PM though. Just give him time to sort all the shit out that the tories have caused and left this Country on its knees.

Give Kevin his meds back.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18862

PTID wrote:

The way Starmer has started he'll be lucky to surpass Boris in his achievements!
Boris split opinion, Starmer will be despised by all before his own party oust him.

what hasn,t helped is most expected him to be in office awhile before he made any changes apart from one good thing, scrapping rwanda. gone at the job like a bull at a gate causing more problems than there wasn,t before. if only people had a crystal ball eh.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6651

accrington fan wrote:

Sussex UK wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

If you are a Tube Driver I imagine you would live in the Central London area,you would need a decent salary to survive or buy a property.

But that would apply to everybody who has a job in London, can’t give everyone a big wage because housing costs are high.

You'd be shown the door at the estate agents if you earned less than 500k a year more like.

if london had the highest wages in the country and the lowest house prices i,d still never dream of living in the dump. when i had to drive down there for work that song of the kinks was stuck in my mind. waterloo sunset mentioning the dirty old river. that was back in the days when people only carried cash and not knives.

If you have no hands you would have trouble stabbing again.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36345

I know how bad London is when I casually mentioned going there…my good lady wife used the word ‘shit hole’ in her colourful description of the place, little chance of seeing St Paul’s ‘afloat upon ethereal tides’ in the near future. sadx

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18862

Snowy wrote:

I know how bad London is when I casually mentioned going there…my good lady wife used the word ‘shit hole’ in her colourful description of the place, little chance of seeing St Paul’s ‘afloat upon ethereal tides’ in the near future. sadx

it will become a mosque first.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7023

Grayhoundend wrote:

MutleyRules wrote:

He'll prove to be better than any Tory PM though. Just give him time to sort all the shit out that the tories have caused and left this Country on its knees.

Give Kevin his meds back.

What did you benefit from after all the years of Tory rule, Starmer, not my favourite person and the Labour Party have only been in power a few months let’s see how they do.
Truss was the PM for a few weeks and nearly bankrupted the country but still refuses to admit and apologise for it.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36345

Jamie1952 wrote:

, Starmer not my favourite person and the Labour Party have only been in power a few months let’s see how they do.

Obviously you’re still out filming with the cast of ‘It Ain’t Half Hot Mum’ in the Far East and out of touch with Starmer’s ‘Reign of Error’.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6651

Jamie1952 wrote:

Grayhoundend wrote:

MutleyRules wrote:

He'll prove to be better than any Tory PM though. Just give him time to sort all the shit out that the tories have caused and left this Country on its knees.

Give Kevin his meds back.

What did you benefit from after all the years of Tory rule, Starmer, not my favourite person and the Labour Party have only been in power a few months let’s see how they do.
Truss was the PM for a few weeks and nearly bankrupted the country but still refuses to admit and apologise for it.

Well Jamie i used to get WFA and my state pension used to go up each year, Probably won,t now (but gas/leccy will)if his first few week are out to go by.

When he rightly calls Arseholes far right good, But then turns a blind eye to our Muslim brothers walking the streets carrying Machetes (yes they actually do) tells me more than enough the way OUR country is heading.
I would advise anyone young enough to go live abroad while they still can.

We ain,t seen nothing yet, Hope i,m wrong.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3896

Well I'm getting more worried everyday when I hear Government Ministers continually saying they're going to look after the workers of the country when they're asked about taxes and pensions.
What about us who are no longer workers after retirement but WE WERE WORKERS and have paid a shitload of tax and NI over the years, but can't or don't want to work till they drop? I did without so that I could save into a pension as previous government's told us to do, for what - to be impoverished by this shower of shit who will be responsible for elderly early deaths this winter if they carry on like this.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7023

PTID wrote:

Well I'm getting more worried everyday when I hear Government Ministers continually saying they're going to look after the workers of the country when they're asked about taxes and pensions.
What about us who are no longer workers after retirement but WE WERE WORKERS and have paid a shitload of tax and NI over the years, but can't or don't want to work till they drop? I did without so that I could save into a pension as previous government's told us to do, for what - to be impoverished by this shower of shit who will be responsible for elderly early deaths this winter if they carry on like this.

The current pensioners will be the forgotten ‘generation’ government can p*** us off with benefits, it’s not as if we can go on strike organise protest marches etc. What people forget is when we all pop our clogs in general our kids stand to be well off through inheritance of property and if you assigned your private pension to them.

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