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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:48 am 
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There are 175,000 people waiting on decisions on whether they will be granted refugee status.

Sunak set a target of clearing this backlog by the end of this year (insert TW*T).

Home Office have cleared on average 2061 per month. At that rate it will take 7 years to clear the present backlog. Of course during these 7 years a further half a million refugees will arrive on these shores!

Soon it will be us having to travel about carrying our passports.


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Someone pointed this out to me on Tuesday in the pub, he said we had a vibrant HGV industry and there were several large manufacturers now all gone yet most major European countries still have there’s intact..Germany, Sweden, France, Spain, Italy Holland,Finland, Switzerland and the Czech’s are all building lorries and vans.
I suspect the drive to service industries was behind this and Blair’s desire to make the UK a nation of screen slaves rather than actually building things to sell, suppose we have to employ his 50% degree holders with worthless degrees in Media Studies somewhere.

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There are 175,000 people waiting on decisions on whether they will be granted refugee status.

Sunak set a target of clearing this backlog by the end of this year (insert TW*T).

Home Office have cleared on average 2061 per month. At that rate it will take 7 years to clear the present backlog. Of course during these 7 years a further half a million refugees will arrive on these shores!

Soon it will be us having to travel about carrying our passports.

I’m baffled how Starmer’s going to clear it in 3 months….. if he gets more civil servants in they’ll need to be trained, not just rubber stampers to stay, so that won’t be overnight.
But they did say that they’d process them so they can sort out jobs and housing for them, so it appears there won’t be many going home, to paraphrase the old football chant.
Could be worse, the Lib Dem’s could be in charge…any Party that spends time at a conference discussing if men menstruate, is so other worldly it’s away with the Pixies.

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I’m baffled how Starmer’s going to clear it in 3 months….. if he gets more civil servants in they’ll need to be trained, not just rubber stampers to stay, so that won’t be overnight.
But they did say that they’d process them so they can sort out jobs and housing for them, so it appears there won’t be many going home, to paraphrase the old football chant.
Could be worse, the Lib Dem’s could be in charge…any Party that spends time at a conference discussing if men menstruate, is so other worldly it’s away with the Pixies.

no starmer will just say they can all stay here and spend that 3 months finding them jobs and permanent accomodation. as a sop to those who do not want them he,ll set a date where the boats will be turned back so he,ll say he has solved the problem.


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I thought licenses were required to sail the high seas, especially when passengers are aboard. There are maritime rules to be adhered to, especially in in one of the busiest strips of water in the World.
I doubt the ability to point a tiller straight classifies as a competent mariner.

they might be better at spotting icebergs than those in the past were who were supposed to be competant.


Problem there is that there aren't any icebergs in the channel and i doubt if anybody would want to venture into the Denmark Straights in one of those boats

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I’m baffled how Starmer’s going to clear it in 3 months….. if he gets more civil servants in they’ll need to be trained, not just rubber stampers to stay, so that won’t be overnight.
But they did say that they’d process them so they can sort out jobs and housing for them, so it appears there won’t be many going home, to paraphrase the old football chant.
Could be worse, the Lib Dem’s could be in charge…any Party that spends time at a conference discussing if men menstruate, is so other worldly it’s away with the Pixies.

no starmer will just say they can all stay here and spend that 3 months finding them jobs and permanent accomodation. as a sop to those who do not want them he,ll set a date where the boats will be turned back so he,ll say he has solved the problem.

Starmer will stop the small boats allegedly by issuing a contract to a consortium of sea going salvage tugs to tow the island of Britain to 50 miles North of Northern Ireland. Problem solved.

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Snowy wrote:
Critical Thinking wrote:
There are 175,000 people waiting on decisions on whether they will be granted refugee status.

Sunak set a target of clearing this backlog by the end of this year (insert TW*T).

Home Office have cleared on average 2061 per month. At that rate it will take 7 years to clear the present backlog. Of course during these 7 years a further half a million refugees will arrive on these shores!

Soon it will be us having to travel about carrying our passports.

I’m baffled how Starmer’s going to clear it in 3 months….. if he gets more civil servants in they’ll need to be trained, not just rubber stampers to stay, so that won’t be overnight.
But they did say that they’d process them so they can sort out jobs and housing for them, so it appears there won’t be many going home, to paraphrase the old football chant.
Could be worse, the Lib Dem’s could be in charge…any Party that spends time at a conference discussing if men menstruate, is so other worldly it’s away with the Pixies.


The majority who apply for asylum get it, the ones who don’t appeal or just disappear.


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 Post subject: Re: Migrants
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This thread is like the Mousetrap :)

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Don't think so. Mousetrap been running for just over 70 years.

If that happens the refugees would outnumber us by 2 to 1!


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Don't think so. Mousetrap been running for just over 70 years.

If that happens the refugees would outnumber us by 2 to 1!


Its been going on long before this.

In the 1950s there were government led recruitment drives in former colonies, like the Caribbean. Migrants from the Caribbean, Africa and Asia in this period were often forced to live in the poorest areas or where work was plentiful such as London, Birmingham, Leeds and Manchester.

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Don't think so. Mousetrap been running for just over 70 years.

If that happens the refugees would outnumber us by 2 to 1!


Its been going on long before this.

In the 1950s there were government led recruitment drives in former colonies, like the Caribbean. Migrants from the Caribbean, Africa and Asia in this period were often forced to live in the poorest areas or where work was plentiful such as London, Birmingham, Leeds and Manchester.

Funny one was the Empire Windrush which is often quoted but apparently the majority on board coming to the UK were displaced Polish refugees coming back to the UK.

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 Post subject: Re: Migrants
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Bluestreak wrote:
Critical Thinking wrote:
Don't think so. Mousetrap been running for just over 70 years.

If that happens the refugees would outnumber us by 2 to 1!


Its been going on long before this.

In the 1950s there were government led recruitment drives in former colonies, like the Caribbean. Migrants from the Caribbean, Africa and Asia in this period were often forced to live in the poorest areas or where work was plentiful such as London, Birmingham, Leeds and Manchester.


Yes I thought it started in London in 1952 some 71 years ago


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 Post subject: Re: Migrants
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Snowy wrote:
Someone pointed this out to me on Tuesday in the pub, he said we had a vibrant HGV industry and there were several large manufacturers now all gone yet most major European countries still have there’s intact..Germany, Sweden, France, Spain, Italy Holland,Finland, Switzerland and the Czech’s are all building lorries and vans.
I suspect the drive to service industries was behind this and Blair’s desire to make the UK a nation of screen slaves rather than actually building things to sell, suppose we have to employ his 50% degree holders with worthless degrees in Media Studies somewhere.


The reason Blair went in that direction was because his predecessors Thatcher and co had all but destroyed industry, ship building, coal mining, the steel industry etc by their drive to curb union power, yes it needed curbing but they went to far.


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Even after Thatcher most heavy industry was still intact including HGV production I can vouch for that.
Face up to it, Blair was the self proclaimed great reformer who steered us to everyone having a degree and a snug service economy where we sell services not products. Trouble is it was all just that, a vision because by their nature service industries are transient, nomadic and in work terms more factory farming than free range. He sold us a pup and PFI, in reality he was Thatchers ferociously ambitious butler with a vision, a blurred vision, but like Cameron, just a glorified Park Lane car salesmen.

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Hartlepool.
The new epicentre for Immigration.
Not far off looking like a draughts board.
Anutha 8 months i reckon.


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Who's supplying them all with the bicycles that are stacked up outside their hotels is what i want to know..i wonder if it's worth asking at reception. sctatchinghead


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Hartlepool.
The new epicentre for Immigration.
Not far off looking like a draughts board.
Anutha 8 months i reckon.

We live in interesting times.

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Who's supplying them all with the bicycles that are stacked up outside their hotels is what i want to know..i wonder if it's worth asking at reception. sctatchinghead

well you need someone to use cycle lanes to make them important and necessary. it will give em an extra string to their bows once they are made a legal resident and can set up cycle repair shops at the back of the car wash and delivery places.


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Funny one was the Empire Windrush which is often quoted but apparently the majority on board coming to the UK were displaced Polish refugees coming back to the UK.

do not get me going about that one. it only stopped in the west indies to fill the ship up with islanders wanting away due to mass unemployment there and not because the government ever asked for them.


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There is this oft touted line of how they saved they saved Britain, no, they wanted a better life and can you blame them. No.

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There is this oft touted line of how they saved they saved Britain, no, they wanted a better life and can you blame them. No.

history has been re written so many times over the last few years that henry ford has been vindicated by his comment on it being bunk.


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The last 5 days have been interesting;

23rd 345 in 6 boats
24th 208 in 4 boats
25th 348 in 6 boats
26th 70 in 1 boat (must have been overcrowded)
27th (yesterday) 4 (yes 4) in 1 boat (must have been a rowing boat?)

There have been only 2 days since 10 August when there has been no recording of channel crossings.


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Looks like the barge is going to end up Rwanda a total failure, the Fire Brigade now asking questions. Looking at the vessel there only appears one escape route down the gangway not unless you jump into the sea. Does anyone in government ever think these things through.


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That stupid Braverwoman is saying today that she expects the Police to investigate all crime however small it is.

I have had 3 dealings with the Police (except Motor episodes);

Theft from car which contained Company National Insurance Cards and stamps

Car stolen off my drive

Fight in shop I owned between 2 women

In all 3 cases no Police attended and all I got for 1 & 2 above was a crime number to give to Insurance Company.

I don't think things have improved so unless Braverwoman is going to employ an extra 1 million Police she is p*ssing in the wind - dozy mare.


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spending less time on so called non crime incidents like saying nasty words on the internet and flatly refusing to follow all the new minority agendas might be a good start. love that word non crime. its either a bloody crime or not. give us a break.


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Someone on TV mentioned the lifeboat crews in the Kent area being volunteers but with multiple call outs employers may be experiencing difficulties on a regular basis…. sctatchinghead

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Out of deference to the Bank Holiday Monday the "boat people" held a ceasefire and will make a greater effort for the rest of the week to make up for it.

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1000 in last 2 days, where will one be living near you soon?

They must be coming over for the start of the new school term? Oh shit most of the schools are closed because of this RAAC problem.

Sunak when he was Chancellor cut the expenditure on school repairs by 50% - not my fault says he.


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This Indian Summer will make the problem more horrendous than it already is.
They streaming into Hpool on a daily basis.
Fully expecting the crime rate to rise.
Crank government playing into Starmers hands.


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Its not just the schools just look at North Tees Hospital its falling apart and should have been replaced 15 years ago.

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This Indian Summer will make the problem more horrendous than it already is.
They streaming into Hpool on a daily basis.
Fully expecting the crime rate to rise.
Crank government playing into Starmers hands.

I have this awful feeling Starmer will be worse as if it’s not bad enough already.
None of them have the balls to tackle them head on.
Border force should stay in port, instead of meeting them half way and giving them a lift here and do what the Greeks do, turn them around physically, because their is an endless supply of them which are never going to stop.
We are a nation where all politicians are fools, it’s like the ‘Young One’s’ have been put in suits and are running the country.

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being a regular watcher of Pointless at 5.15 it gave me an idea over a couple of weeks ago. hire gyles brandreth as a greeter for them and they,d quickly get their dinghy into reverse.


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Snowy wrote:
kevin pooles gloves wrote:
This Indian Summer will make the problem more horrendous than it already is.
They streaming into Hpool on a daily basis.
Fully expecting the crime rate to rise.
Crank government playing into Starmers hands.

I have this awful feeling Starmer will be worse as if it’s not bad enough already.
None of them have the balls to tackle them head on.
Border force should stay in port, instead of meeting them half way and giving them a lift here and do what the Greeks do, turn them around physically, because their is an endless supply of them which are never going to stop.
We are a nation where all politicians are fools, it’s like the ‘Young One’s’ have been put in suits and are running the country.


All well and good Snowy turn them back but the British are not heartless souls, some of the boats have children on them, just imagine the hue and cry if one sank and children drowned.
We would have had the room for them but unfortunately like the schools etc the Tories have not invested in the infrastructure to accommodate them.


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What sort of idiot puts their kids in a boat to cross the channel from a safe country then? sctatchinghead


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What sort of idiot puts their kids in a boat to cross the channel from a safe country then? sctatchinghead


You would have to ask them, obviously there must be reason.


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If only we'd listened to Enoch instead of vilifying him.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
kevin pooles gloves wrote:
This Indian Summer will make the problem more horrendous than it already is.
They streaming into Hpool on a daily basis.
Fully expecting the crime rate to rise.
Crank government playing into Starmers hands.

I have this awful feeling Starmer will be worse as if it’s not bad enough already.
None of them have the balls to tackle them head on.
Border force should stay in port, instead of meeting them half way and giving them a lift here and do what the Greeks do, turn them around physically, because their is an endless supply of them which are never going to stop.
We are a nation where all politicians are fools, it’s like the ‘Young One’s’ have been put in suits and are running the country.


All well and good Snowy turn them back but the British are not heartless souls, some of the boats have children on them, just imagine the hue and cry if one sank and children drowned.
We would have had the room for them but unfortunately like the schools etc the Tories have not invested in the infrastructure to accommodate them.

Accommodate them???? The supply of them is endless, you cannot accommodate everybody who wants to come…it’s a logistical fact.

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What sort of idiot puts their kids in a boat to cross the channel from a safe country then? sctatchinghead


You would have to ask them, obviously there must be reason.



It's greed.They have already passed through many civilised countries to reach the French coast.I hope the social services are straight onto them..


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I thought the point of asylum seekers was to claim this in the FIRST "free" Country that they passed into.

Thus, if they came into the UK illegally we have the absolute right to refuse them refugee status. Not taking days/weeks/months to decide this but a matter of hours!

Then they can be removed (forcibly if required) to Rwanda or another Country declared safe by the British Government.


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New supply of boats found!

Friday 16th 486 found in 10 boats
Saturday 17th 374 found in 7 boats

God knows how many crossed the channel in these past 7 days but it has to be nearly 2500. It is now becoming just plain madness and cannot continue.





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Smokescreen of schools, hospitals falling to bits making the headlines now fortunately for the government.
HS2 was raised in Parliament some calling even Tories for it to be scrapped once more.


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Critical Thinking wrote:
I thought the point of asylum seekers was to claim this in the FIRST "free" Country that they passed into.

Thus, if they came into the UK illegally we have the absolute right to refuse them refugee status. Not taking days/weeks/months to decide this but a matter of hours!

Then they can be removed (forcibly if required) to Rwanda or another Country declared safe by the British Government.

there are far too many of them that come over who can be accomodated in the first safe country. they need to be spread around all other safe countries. the fact is we have still far less than in mainland europe. the only way it can be controlled is stopping them before they enter europe at source and send the buggers back then. what annoys me far more than them entering the country is the special treatment they get once they arrive making us second class citezans in our own country. the next problem will be actually getting them out of the hotels that we cannot afford to stop in as they,ll have lead the good life too long.


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We do take far less refugees than the rest of Europe but I would like to know where they put them up, I doubt very much it’s in hotels.
The U.K. in conjunction with France should set up a centre in France where people seeking asylum in the U.K. can be assessed albeit I couldn’t see France allowing that.


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We do take far less refugees than the rest of Europe but I would like to know where they put them up, I doubt very much it’s in hotels.
The U.K. in conjunction with France should set up a centre in France where people seeking asylum in the U.K. can be assessed albeit I couldn’t see France allowing that.

never heard where other countries put them when they arrive. france aint going to help us ever in our problems and they,ll be happy when every single one boards a boat to wave france goodbye. if it was the other way round we know that the soft UK would be the first to help the french or any other country out.


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Lincolnshire County Council have stopped (for the moment) making changes to the old RAF Scampton which is (was) due to house upwards of 2000 migrants.

Is this a case of just pissing in the wind by this "spent" Government as within the last 7 days new arrivals to reach these shores have been 1978.

But the previous 60 days the figure was nearly 9000, a total of 11000 in 2 months!


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We do take far less refugees than the rest of Europe but I would like to know where they put them up, I doubt very much it’s in hotels.
The U.K. in conjunction with France should set up a centre in France where people seeking asylum in the U.K. can be assessed albeit I couldn’t see France allowing that.



Yes & the UK is a hell of a lot smaller than most European countries that take them.


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Lincolnshire County Council have stopped (for the moment) making changes to the old RAF Scampton which is (was) due to house upwards of 2000 migrants.

Is this a case of just pissing in the wind by this "spent" Government as within the last 7 days new arrivals to reach these shores have been 1978.

But the previous 60 days the figure was nearly 9000, a total of 11000 in 2 months!


And what exactly are these 2000 immigrants going to do when they get there?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:31 pm 
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Jamie1952 wrote:
The U.K. in conjunction with France should set up a centre in France where people seeking asylum in the U.K. can be assessed albeit I couldn’t see France allowing that.

Waste of time and money….because the ones refused entry would simply go off into the sand dunes and wait for their turn on the next dinghy.

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Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
The U.K. in conjunction with France should set up a centre in France where people seeking asylum in the U.K. can be assessed albeit I couldn’t see France allowing that.

Waste of time and money….because the ones refused entry would simply go off into the sand dunes and wait for their turn on the next dinghy.


Unless they were immediately removed but they would appeal if that failed they would just disappear of the radar.


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kebab & chips wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
We do take far less refugees than the rest of Europe but I would like to know where they put them up, I doubt very much it’s in hotels.
The U.K. in conjunction with France should set up a centre in France where people seeking asylum in the U.K. can be assessed albeit I couldn’t see France allowing that.



Yes & the UK is a hell of a lot smaller than most European countries that take them.


Less than 10% of the land in the U.K. is built on and unless the house builders get their finger out it will remain that way of course they don’t want to over build as house prices would fall.


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