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 Post subject: Re: Winter fuel payments to pensioners
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:16 am 
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Just heard on the news that energy is going up for an average household by £300 in the autumn.

So we are now £600 worse off.

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Just heard on the news that energy is going up for an average household by £300 in the autumn.

So we are now £600 worse off.


Be a grand by May.
C Tax etc.

Bring back Rishy.
He did warn us.

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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
Bluestreak wrote:
Just heard on the news that energy is going up for an average household by £300 in the autumn.

So we are now £600 worse off.


Be a grand by May.
C Tax etc.

Bring back Rishy.
He did warn us.

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expect the cost of motoring to shoot up also by next may by increases in fuel and road tax. much easier for them to price us off the road than just banning us. they can then say, well we never told you that you could not drive your polluting cars did we. this green con is the biggest farce ever known to mankind.


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accrington fan wrote:
kevin pooles gloves wrote:
Bluestreak wrote:
Just heard on the news that energy is going up for an average household by £300 in the autumn.

So we are now £600 worse off.


Be a grand by May.
C Tax etc.

Bring back Rishy.
He did warn us.

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expect the cost of motoring to shoot up also by next may by increases in fuel and road tax. much easier for them to price us off the road than just banning us. they can then say, well we never told you that you could not drive your polluting cars did we. this green con is the biggest farce ever known to mankind.


I’m gonna get a little carriage made for Ratboy and Ruby to pull when cars are banned for the plebs….trouble is, if they get a sniff of a rat I’ll be done for speeding….do I pay or do they pay the fine and get the points.

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Cap up by £150 (average household) but less than expected a month ago. Lets hope it is a mild winter.

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I’m getting lagging for Eric, my brass monkey….and Ratboy and Ruby won’t be going near the groomers till May…it’ll be like taking Chewbacca and a Big Foot Terrier for a walk

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I’m getting lagging for Eric, my brass monkey….and Ratboy and Ruby won’t be going near the groomers till May…it’ll be like taking Chewbacca and a Big Foot Terrier for a walk


I am going to grow a beard and let my "hair" grow :liar: :wink:

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Bluestreak wrote:
Cap up by £150 (average household) but less than expected a month ago. Lets hope it is a mild winter.

could get into a situation where you take clothes off to go outside instead of the normal way.


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Just had Millibean on the box telling how it’s down to gas prices being imported…er aren’t your lot stooping new exploration?
Then he blamed the Tory’s :roll: Your lot are putting them up, you are steering the ship now… erratically.
Then he gave a little promise of clean energy….go away you clown. :angry-tappingfoot:

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Just had Millibean on the box telling how it’s down to gas prices being imported…er aren’t your lot stooping new exploration?
Then he blamed the Tory’s :roll: Your lot are putting them up, you are steering the ship now… erratically.
Then he gave a little promise of clean energy….go away you clown. :angry-tappingfoot:

when you live in clown world you only expect to see clowns running it. who really cares a flying one if they are cold where the gas and electricity are actually from or how its being made. would deaths from freezing actually make them change there minds on the whole clean energy farce or tell us its a sacrifice we have to make for the common good.


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They’ll have us like a country where we’re the equivalent of woke bucket shakers outside supermarkets where we tell the passing nations, ‘Look, we’re living like Monks and suffering to save the planet…come and join us’…as the world passes us by and carry’s on doing what’s best for itself and shakes it’s head at our cloying stupidity.

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They’ll have us like a country where we’re the equivalent of woke bucket shakers outside supermarkets where we tell the passing nations, ‘Look, we’re living like Monks and suffering to save the planet…come and join us’…as the world passes us by and carry’s on doing what’s best for itself and shakes it’s head at our cloying stupidity.

and the rest of the world having stand up commedians who base their acts on britain. mind you they,ll have plenty of material to keep em going.


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Snowy wrote:
Just had Millibean on the box telling how it’s down to gas prices being imported…er aren’t your lot stooping new exploration?
Then he blamed the Tory’s :roll: Your lot are putting them up, you are steering the ship now… erratically.
Then he gave a little promise of clean energy….go away you clown. :angry-tappingfoot:


If they can halt the WFA over night, Then they can stop the CAP over night.

Theres NO such party as the Labor party, Its DEAD.
And going to make it so so easy for the Tories next time which may well quicker then we think.


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accrington fan wrote:
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They’ll have us like a country where we’re the equivalent of woke bucket shakers outside supermarkets where we tell the passing nations, ‘Look, we’re living like Monks and suffering to save the planet…come and join us’…as the world passes us by and carry’s on doing what’s best for itself and shakes it’s head at our cloying stupidity.

and the rest of the world having stand up commedians who base their acts on britain. mind you they,ll have plenty of material to keep em going.


I wish Sir Bernard was still alive :lol: :lol:


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I read the SC could get altered to save us between £20 n£100 a year.
Wow.
The bastads.


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Grayhoundend wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Just had Millibean on the box telling how it’s down to gas prices being imported…er aren’t your lot stooping new exploration?
Then he blamed the Tory’s :roll: Your lot are putting them up, you are steering the ship now… erratically.
Then he gave a little promise of clean energy….go away you clown. :angry-tappingfoot:


If they can halt the WFA over night, Then they can stop the CAP over night.

Theres NO such party as the Labor party, Its DEAD.
And going to make it so so easy for the Tories next time which may well quicker then we think.


I think there could be a few shocks in the October budget proving the Labour Party is dead and buried.


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I’m nostalgic for the old Labour Party back in the 70’s, this shower are just middle class fuckwits who’ve never broken sweat or went without anything in their fluffy lives.
You are right Jamie, the Labour Party obviously haven’t got a clue, they’re just Lib Dem’s with a chip on their shoulder and do role play as working class toffs.

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I finally received a response to the email I sent and basically it said Blah Blah it's the Tories fault, Blah Bullshit Blah the Tories caused the problem not us, Blah Blah Bullshit Blah it's not out fault, etc etc etc, I was going to reply and argue but what's the point they don't listen and just do what the hell they like. If only we were like the French...love them or hate them.

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Not a massive fan of Clarkson, But like what hes done here.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/je ... r-AA1pjJxi


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Well Starmers lost his pre election false smile.
And his pledge on numerous occasions before the election that Labour would have fully funded plans to not raise energy bills.
Plenty of rewind evidence on the people's news channel.
The camera never lies

Yes these next 2 budgets will be brutal.


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Hartleblue wrote:
I finally received a response to the email I sent and basically it said Blah Blah it's the Tories fault, Blah Bullshit Blah the Tories caused the problem not us, Blah Blah Bullshit Blah it's not out fault, etc etc etc, I was going to reply and argue but what's the point they don't listen and just do what the hell they like. If only we were like the French...love them or hate them.


The French n other countries are allowed to be anti government without quickfire jail time
Will Englands solicitors become unemployed as now everyone charged is guilty.


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Not a massive fan of Clarkson, But like what hes done here.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/je ... r-AA1pjJxi


Starmer won’t lose any sleep over that after the decisions being made and more to come from Lib Dems sorry Labour Party.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
Not a massive fan of Clarkson, But like what hes done here.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/je ... r-AA1pjJxi


Starmer won’t lose any sleep over that after the decisions being made and more to come from Lib Dems sorry Labour Party.

I chuckle at their chummy middle class naivety went it comes to dealing with real people trying to get by on shit wage…lwhich are held down when businesses can undercut with wages paid to imported workers below the minimum wage…how did that happen…shouldn’t all workers be paid the same rate?

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Jamie1952 wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
Not a massive fan of Clarkson, But like what hes done here.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/je ... r-AA1pjJxi


Starmer won’t lose any sleep over that after the decisions being made and more to come from Lib Dems sorry Labour Party.


I,m certain he won,t lose any sleep over that, Plenty of bars in Parliament, Drinking with the other Sirs.
And people actually voted for him and what he stands for. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


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Grayhoundend wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
Not a massive fan of Clarkson, But like what hes done here.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/je ... r-AA1pjJxi


Starmer won’t lose any sleep over that after the decisions being made and more to come from Lib Dems sorry Labour Party.


I,m certain he won,t lose any sleep over that, Plenty of bars in Parliament, Drinking with the other Sirs.
And people actually voted for him and what he stands for. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:



They voted for what they thought was the Labour Party not Starmer, unfortunately I think they got it wrong, only time will tell.


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There might be respite for the WASPI, a bill is going before Parliament re compensation,
https://youtu.be/7PIIeyjJxZw?si=3soQASWNqxkDGjJy


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Milliband cant even eat a bacon sarnie, let alone run a Govt dept.
Stop sending £11b overseas.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
There might be respite for the WASPI, a bill is going before Parliament re compensation,
https://youtu.be/7PIIeyjJxZw?si=3soQASWNqxkDGjJy

Is Starmer thinking I’ve pissed off the pensioners off so I’ll woo the WASPI’s to get their vote….?

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heard that sunak is trying to do something to reverse the decision about stopping the winter fuel payments thats been supported by some labour back benchers. looking at the last government it seems thats where common sense and the brains lie and not in the cabinets. is it they have not been tainted by power yet or corrupted.


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Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
There might be respite for the WASPI, a bill is going before Parliament re compensation,
https://youtu.be/7PIIeyjJxZw?si=3soQASWNqxkDGjJy

Is Starmer thinking I’ve pissed off the pensioners off so I’ll woo the WASPI’s to get their vote….?


You might be right there Snowy, no idea the percentage of women who are pensioners but the odds are there are more due to the non physical jobs they had ?


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accrington fan wrote:
heard that sunak is trying to do something to reverse the decision about stopping the winter fuel payments thats been supported by some labour back benchers. looking at the last government it seems thats where common sense and the brains lie and not in the cabinets. is it they have not been tainted by power yet or corrupted.


I do think the ruling will change, I read that it was suggested people in the lower Council House bands might still receive it.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
accrington fan wrote:
heard that sunak is trying to do something to reverse the decision about stopping the winter fuel payments thats been supported by some labour back benchers. looking at the last government it seems thats where common sense and the brains lie and not in the cabinets. is it they have not been tainted by power yet or corrupted.


I do think the ruling will change, I read that it was suggested people in the lower Council House bands might still receive it.

they will have to do it in a roundabout way to avoid seeing to have changed there mind which sensible people do, but classed by the media now as a U turn.


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I can hear the quote now.
"we have been listening to the electorate and we have therefore to do x on the winter fuel allowance."
IMO it should be fully reversed to all except those with an income in excess if £20-£25k.

The WASPI women are not going to get much somewhere in the £1000-£3500 in compensation as a one off for not being informed incorrectly.Some wrongly think they are going to get backdated pension for years.I hope they put it towards their fuel bills.
Perhaps this should be scaled back to those with income of less than £25k (ish) and the money going to support the winter fuel allowance to all i.e. MEN??????
Yes i know it wont happen.

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accrington fan wrote:
heard that sunak is trying to do something to reverse the decision about stopping the winter fuel payments thats been supported by some labour back benchers. looking at the last government it seems thats where common sense and the brains lie and not in the cabinets. is it they have not been tainted by power yet or corrupted.


I do think the ruling will change, I read that it was suggested people in the lower Council House bands might still receive it.

they will have to do it in a roundabout way to avoid seeing to have changed there mind which sensible people do, but classed by the media now as a U turn.


Would have saved a lot of trouble if they hadn’t done it in the first place.
You always get remembered for your mistakes…or cock ups.
But this was a mega cock up with bells on.

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A lot will hinge on the Budget on the 30th of October although I think it was a knee jerk reaction and a mistake to abolish the WFA they could have announced it then.
On another note according to statistics 1 in 4 pensioners are millionaires through assets like property etc.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
A lot will hinge on the Budget on the 30th of October although I think it was a knee jerk reaction and a mistake to abolish the WFA they could have announced it then.
On another note according to statistics 1 in 4 pensioners are millionaires through assets like property etc.

1in 4 pensioners are millionaires, possibly in M25 land but not up here.
Trouble is a lot are asset rich but income poor.

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Snowy wrote:
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A lot will hinge on the Budget on the 30th of October although I think it was a knee jerk reaction and a mistake to abolish the WFA they could have announced it then.
On another note according to statistics 1 in 4 pensioners are millionaires through assets like property etc.

1in 4 pensioners are millionaires, possibly in M25 land but not up here.
Trouble is a lot are asset rich but income poor.

it shows that when her in the kitchens brother in harrow has sold an ex council house for 850k. someone who spent their lives wagon driving, on the milk and finishing working on a little picking job on the M25 even if his wife had a decent but not spectacular job.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
A lot will hinge on the Budget on the 30th of October although I think it was a knee jerk reaction and a mistake to abolish the WFA they could have announced it then.
On another note according to statistics 1 in 4 pensioners are millionaires through assets like property etc.


Jamie i know you love stats and i like seeing your posts on such matters.
Is there a stat on how many pensioners are in poverty.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
A lot will hinge on the Budget on the 30th of October although I think it was a knee jerk reaction and a mistake to abolish the WFA they could have announced it then.
On another note according to statistics 1 in 4 pensioners are millionaires through assets like property etc.


Jamie i know you love stats and i like seeing your posts on such matters.
Is there a stat on how many pensioners are in poverty.


Here you are, 2 million pensioners live in poverty, I couldn’t live on the State Pension so I am one of the pensioners who could be classed pensioners who live in poverty. I was never in an employers pension scheme and wasn’t in a financial position to contribute to a private pension scheme. It was only when reached my fifties I was in a position to save a small nest egg not in a private pension scheme though.
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I hope the backbenchers are sending a clear message to Reeve not to touch the bus passes.There are other ways of raising funds. Let's not shy away from taxing the rich.

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How out of touch are they if they do something they later have to reverse, who’s advising them on the consequences of policy of this nature.
When your own backbenchers are rebelling this quickly in office you are doing something wrong.

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Jamie1952 wrote:
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Jamie1952 wrote:
A lot will hinge on the Budget on the 30th of October although I think it was a knee jerk reaction and a mistake to abolish the WFA they could have announced it then.
On another note according to statistics 1 in 4 pensioners are millionaires through assets like property etc.


Jamie i know you love stats and i like seeing your posts on such matters.
Is there a stat on how many pensioners are in poverty.


Here you are, 2 million pensioners live in poverty, I couldn’t live on the State Pension so I am one of the pensioners who could be classed pensioners who live in poverty. I was never in an employers pension scheme and wasn’t in a financial position to contribute to a private pension scheme. It was only when reached my fifties I was in a position to save a small nest egg not in a private pension scheme though.
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/globalassets/a ... -2022-.pdf


Cheers Jamie, I knew you would come good.
Just re-enforces my opinion that Sir Keir is an out and out bully.


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How out of touch are they if they do something they later have to reverse, who’s advising them on the consequences of policy of this nature.
When your own backbenchers are rebelling this quickly in office you are doing something wrong.


As i said above, Anybody with the power to make these decisions and enforce them is a Bully.
Cause that's what bully's do, Prey on the vulnerable, The person has no shame.
A disgrace to public office, Also shot himself in the foot. :laugh:


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 Post subject: Re: Winter fuel payments to pensioners
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Says those with the broadest shoulders have to bear the pain to close the black hole - since when did pensioners have the broadest shoulders? Interesting that his own pension is ring fenced from the taxman.
Meanwhile billions awarded to striking Dr's and Rail workers, billions splurged on foreign aid to countries developing nuclear weapons, billions more to countries to help them become more green.
Don't think it's down to Starmer though he's just a stooge for Tony Blair and the WEF to continue their sick social experiments.


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The creation of British Energy makes sense in that its major objective is to ensure long term energy security for the country via what is termed Green Energy.
That will give the UK security from volatile global markets.
I know some people dont like the so called Green agenda but this makes sense.
Generally I dont see the pay settlements made as being excessive. Have a look at the detail of them and it is what you would expect given inflation and they are settlements for several years backdated. Please dont look at figures quoted by the gutter press that add together several years settlements that the past government refused to settle or deal with.

Yes the broadest shoulders should bear this black hole fix as they got the financial benefit of the actions of the previous government.

And "OI" Starmer and Reeves dont touch my f*c*i*g bus pass or pension. Thats a line in the sand!

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Jamie1952 wrote:
There might be respite for the WASPI, a bill is going before Parliament re compensation,
https://youtu.be/7PIIeyjJxZw?si=3soQASWNqxkDGjJy


After about thirty seconds, it spells out the name of The Cotswolds as “The Coxwells” :roll: I stopped watching then.


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Bluestreak wrote:
The creation of British Energy makes sense in that its major objective is to ensure long term energy security for the country via what is termed Green Energy.
That will give the UK security from volatile global markets.
I know some people dont like the so called Green agenda but this makes sense.
Generally I dont see the pay settlements made as being excessive. Have a look at the detail of them and it is what you would expect given inflation and they are settlements for several years backdated. Please dont look at figures quoted by the gutter press that add together several years settlements that the past government refused to settle or deal with.

Yes the broadest shoulders should bear this black hole fix as they got the financial benefit of the actions of the previous government.

And "OI" Starmer and Reeves dont touch my f*c*i*g bus pass or pension. Thats a line in the sand!


Just reminds of when i was growing up, North sea oil/gas.
Ours was to become as cheap as chips, Never happened, Still waiting.
False promises by False people.


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The only people who'll benefit from UK Energy plc will be the directors of UK Energy plc is my best guess.


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Bluestreak wrote:
The creation of British Energy makes sense in that its major objective is to ensure long term energy security for the country via what is termed Green Energy.
That will give the UK security from volatile global markets.
I know some people dont like the so called Green agenda but this makes sense.
Generally I dont see the pay settlements made as being excessive. Have a look at the detail of them and it is what you would expect given inflation and they are settlements for several years backdated. Please dont look at figures quoted by the gutter press that add together several years settlements that the past government refused to settle or deal with.

Yes the broadest shoulders should bear this black hole fix as they got the financial benefit of the actions of the previous government.

And "OI" Starmer and Reeves dont touch my f*c*i*g bus pass or pension. Thats a line in the sand!

Was your dad a ‘toolmaker’…was that a broadcast for the Labour Party sctatchinghead

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