ched evans

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22681

Hard to disagree with that Chip but thats a whole footballer generation point and one I find difficult to argue with. It is though a different discussion to the point we've been debating.

parmo · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:08 pm

This could be the first ever 100:page thread on the bunker

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22681

The 'Victim's reaction to the arrest and charge'

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Remind me never to tell @XXXXXXX when I win big!..... She’s going to kill me! #scaredformylife! Haha!’

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‘@XXXXXXX I will get us matching pink Mini Coopers! Haha! Just seen them pictures on Facebook, I forgot bout XXXXXXX! Haha! X’

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‘@XXXXXXX I’ll make all your dreams come true XXXXXXX haha.’

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‘@XXXXXXX aww,well obvs I’d treat us to an amazing holiday x’.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:12 pm

She had something wrong and despicable done to her surely she should be compensated!!!! confised

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22681

MutleyRules wrote:

She had something wrong and despicable done to her surely she should be compensated!!!! confised

Others would say that compensation was her aim all along.

billythefisherman · **Joined:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:40 am **Posts:** 388

I for one will withdraw my support from the club if this signing goes ahead, and i've been going for many many years. The day our football club shames itself and the town if going through with the signing, will be a sad sad day and frankly fills me despair.

Freaky Teeth · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:25 pm

parmo wrote:

This could be the first ever 100:page thread on the bunker

It got to 10 in a all time record :laugh:

billythefisherman · **Joined:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:40 am **Posts:** 388

Jonny wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

I'm not convinced one little bit that he's guilty. The conviction is very questionable.

The evidence seems a very shaky but are there things that the public don't know?

I don't know, do you ?

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:25 pm

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

MutleyRules wrote:

She had something wrong and despicable done to her surely she should be compensated!!!! confised

Others would say that compensation was her aim all along.

The Jury and Judges didn't though!!!!

Compo · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:25 pm

I can't agree with the whole pre contract idea if his appeal is not granted him to walk. Surely he has had this Heard four times now and been found guilty. Yes the girl didn't think she was going to play scrabble but didn't she just go with one of them?

The bit I don't get is the toxicology report in morning showing no sign of alcohol given that your liver and only purify one unit give or take an hour I question her level of drunenness. That said the evidence has been heard and he found guilty.

I don't think this deal will happen anyway now and agree with chip he should bugger off abroad and build a career there.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:31 pm

I agree Compo....No chance will this deal be allowed if the new owners have anything about them!!!!
It's made me look at Moore in a different light though....success and job security at any cost!!!! confised

stevejones_number1 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:20 am **Posts:** 137

Chip Fireball wrote:

Alternatively you could put yourself in the position of the young lass, who was raped by a bloke while his mates filmed it. Who was then named publicly on social media, who was abused in the street and received death threats, and had to move away from her friends and family and be given a new identity. Nobody, Evan included, seems to have given her any consideration, other than a few idiots on here who seem to think she had it coming to her anyway.

Frankly, your post disgusts me. The reason people are " labelling " him a rapist is because a judge and jury found him guilty beyond all reasonable doubt on hearing ALL the evidence, not just the bits on his website.

That verdict has been upheld all the way through the appeals process. As I said I'd rather take the verdict of three senior judges who have examined the case than six gobshites on a message board.

I have no truck with people say what he did was wrong and he deserves a second chance, but people suggesting he didn't really rape her or that he behaved like a decent human being ? Fuck me, did your parents not bring you up to know the difference between right and wrong or how decent people should behave ?

If I was in the girls shoes I wouldn't be so shallow as to go to a hotel room with a footballer and expect just to sit there and eat pizza and watch telly at 4am, She clearly knew what she was doing, weather by the accounts that I have read online she was awake and aware that evans was there and knew what was going on until the next morning, weather that is all true or not only 2 people really know.

As for my parents bringing me up correctly they did I do know right from wrong and as said above I wouldn't be so stupid to go to a hotel with a random person[/quote]

So basically what you are saying is it's her fault, and because she went into a hotel to have sex with one bloke that automatically means all his mates get to have a go as well, even if she blanks out.

Priceless. Lets hope you never end up having kids.

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I already do have kids but their not into football... Im not saying she asked for it but he knew what was going happen. I agree the guys filming through the window is wrong and they should never have been there but I believe from what I herd and read albeit in the media that she knew evans was coming and went along with it

AA grumpy · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:47 pm

i agree this post should be put to bed as its grown a beard
but one last word as a neutral..consider the flip side of the coin

1, to sign ched evans will not only make hartlepool united the joke side of the league it will bring shame not only on the club and its supporters but also to the town of hartlepool and its people.

2, consider the treatment the team and its supporters will recieve from rival fans both inside and outside the ground the jeers insults and catcalls could you still wear your hufc scarf with pride
without feeling embarassed.

3, would the hufc keep their cool in the face of all this or would the goading cause this to explode into violence between hartlepool supporters and rival fans inside or outside the ground thus getting hufc a reputation for violence and bringing the club to media attention for the wrong reasons because as you know there are those who go to football matches just to cause trouble and look to fight opposing fans.

4, all this considered is it still worth signing ched evans or could the club be opening a whole new can of worms ?

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

AA grumpy wrote:

i agree this post should be put to bed as its grown a beard
but one last word as a neutral..consider the flip side of the coin

1, to sign ched evans will not only make hartlepool united the joke side of the league it will bring shame not only on the club and its supporters but also to the town of hartlepool and its people.

2, consider the treatment the team and its supporters will recieve from rival fans both inside and outside the ground the jeers insults and catcalls could you still wear your hufc scarf with pride
without feeling embarassed.

3, would the hufc keep their cool in the face of all this or would the goading cause this to explode into violence between hartlepool supporters and rival fans inside or outside the ground thus getting hufc a reputation for violence and bringing the club to media attention for the wrong reasons because as you know there are those who go to football matches just to cause trouble and look to fight opposing fans.

4, all this considered is it still worth signing ched evans or could the club be opening a whole new can of worms ?

Did Darlow win yesterday...

Compo · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:50 pm

Your 3rd point is horse shit tbh 1) we don't have enough supporters and 2) the ones we have arnt in my opinion knuckle dragging loons

stevejones_number1 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:20 am **Posts:** 137

Man utd paid 28mil for Ander Herrera who is been pulled in for match fixing worry about that instead of Ched Evans and Hartlepool

AA grumpy · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:54 pm

ok point taken but if you poke a dog for long enough it will turn around a bite you

grumpytheelf · **Joined:** Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:21 am **Posts:** 158

AA grumpy wrote:

i agree this post should be put to bed as its grown a beard
but one last word as a neutral..consider the flip side of the coin

1, to sign ched evans will not only make hartlepool united the joke side of the league it will bring shame not only on the club and its supporters but also to the town of hartlepool and its people.

2, consider the treatment the team and its supporters will recieve from rival fans both inside and outside the ground the jeers insults and catcalls could you still wear your hufc scarf with pride
without feeling embarassed.

3, would the hufc keep their cool in the face of all this or would the goading cause this to explode into violence between hartlepool supporters and rival fans inside or outside the ground thus getting hufc a reputation for violence and bringing the club to media attention for the wrong reasons because as you know there are those who go to football matches just to cause trouble and look to fight opposing fans.

4, all this considered is it still worth signing ched evans or could the club be opening a whole new can of worms ?

I'd contribute personally to his wage if it served to point out to self righteous bigots like you that you can't go round adding your own form of social media led sentencing on top of that handed down by the courts.

What the bloke has been found guilty of was wrong, not the worst crime ever Committed and not even the worst rape ever but nobody will argue rape is ok. However the law makers of our land say that he can return to work, if he was a highly paid banker nobody would give a fuck and he could earn a lot more than as a footballers in league 2.

Compo · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:55 pm

stevejones_number1 wrote:

Man utd paid 28mil for Ander Herrera who is been pulled in for match fixing worry about that instead of Ched Evans and Hartlepool

Yeah because that's the same stpid

Kevin Dixon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:04 am **Posts:** 1432

MutleyRules wrote:

I agree Compo....No chance will this deal be allowed if the new owners have anything about them!!!!
It's made me look at Moore in a different light though....success and job security at any cost!!!! confised

Thats the hard facts of business Mutters he's been brought in to do a job, you like me at the end of the season keeps us up we will all be singing from the same sheet.

Compo · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:57 pm

Someone said on FB last night a made up point that maybe Ched Evans gf dad is one of the guys in consortium. Talk about 2 + 2 = 5

AA grumpy · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:57 pm

stevejones_number1 wrote:

Man utd paid 28mil for Ander Herrera who is been pulled in for match fixing worry about that instead of Ched Evans and Hartlepool

spare me the cheap manchester united insults as i wont rise to the bait this is a valid point

stevejones_number1 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:20 am **Posts:** 137

Compo wrote:

stevejones_number1 wrote:

Man utd paid 28mil for Ander Herrera who is been pulled in for match fixing worry about that instead of Ched Evans and Hartlepool

Yeah because that's the same stpid

Im just saying worry about his own team having wrong doers in it and not ours

stevejones_number1 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:20 am **Posts:** 137

So The law says he committed a crime and he should be punished for it by serving time in prison, Which he has and was released with conditions. The law also says he is free and clear to return to work doing the same profession that he was before going to prison. Which he is trying to do. So why is the side of the law that condemned him correct, yet the side that says he can continue to work as a footballer wrong. If the law is the law and should be followed as so many here say then he should be allowed to carry on as a footballer without prejudice

AA grumpy · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:04 pm

stevejones_number1 wrote:

Compo wrote:

stevejones_number1 wrote:

Man utd paid 28mil for Ander Herrera who is been pulled in for match fixing worry about that instead of Ched Evans and Hartlepool

Yeah because that's the same stpid

Im just saying worry about his own team having wrong doers in it and not ours

the point is steve this isnt about manchester united we have our own problems like rivals city ahead of us in the table.
its about the club doing the right thing by its supporters
he should ballot the fans in a yes/no vote and honour the fans decision after all its your money that pays their wages.
another valid point but footballers are heros to influnential kids and need to be within the law like a policeman he lost this right when he went to prison so i,d say no ...no return to professional football boxers and jockies who have found themselves in the same position have had their licences revoked and never worked in the sport again ..why should football be the exception

Nord · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:05 pm

grumpytheelf wrote:

AA grumpy wrote:

i agree this post should be put to bed as its grown a beard
but one last word as a neutral..consider the flip side of the coin

1, to sign ched evans will not only make hartlepool united the joke side of the league it will bring shame not only on the club and its supporters but also to the town of hartlepool and its people.

2, consider the treatment the team and its supporters will recieve from rival fans both inside and outside the ground the jeers insults and catcalls could you still wear your hufc scarf with pride
without feeling embarassed.

3, would the hufc keep their cool in the face of all this or would the goading cause this to explode into violence between hartlepool supporters and rival fans inside or outside the ground thus getting hufc a reputation for violence and bringing the club to media attention for the wrong reasons because as you know there are those who go to football matches just to cause trouble and look to fight opposing fans.

4, all this considered is it still worth signing ched evans or could the club be opening a whole new can of worms ?

I'd contribute personally to his wage if it served to point out to self righteous bigots like you that you can't go round adding your own form of social media led sentencing on top of that handed down by the courts.

What the bloke has been found guilty of was wrong, not the worst crime ever Committed and not even the worst rape ever but nobody will argue rape is ok. However the law makers of our land say that he can return to work, if he was a highly paid banker nobody would give a fuck and he could earn a lot more than as a footballers in league 2.

Not even the worst rape ever?

Have you just graded rape?

Seriously?

Compo · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:06 pm

Would you employ a pharmacist who was a convicted drug dealer to work in your chemist?

grabec · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:11 pm

Tree_With_Hamster wrote:

Would it make any difference to those in opposition if his appeal was successful?

No it wouldn't. Not to me anyway.
Even if he were to be found technically innocent of rape, he is guilty of exploitative, totally dodgy behaviour, which damaged a young woman in a lasting way. He doesn't seem to feel any necessity for apologising for that. Where is the assurance therefore that he's not going to do it again? We need a statement from the Club that it doesn't condone that sort of behaviour, nor does it want to be associated with that behaviour.

I don't accept Mr I's point that the woman may have orchestrated the whole thing, for financial gain. We're not thinking of signing her, so her position is irrelevant. As far as these footballers were concerned, it was OK to take advantage of a young woman in that way. Some of you can't seem to understand that no decent bloke would do that, and that it's morally wrong.

We categorically don't want Ched Evans representing our Club.

parmo · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:13 pm

I'm with you Mrs Grabec on this

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Pools won't be signing him.

Good

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parmo · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:15 pm

Is league football REALLY so important?

I say no. I've said this before in other contexts, and I believe I am right

It would be better to have a club with a good reputation in the football community

grabec · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:16 pm

That doesn't surprise me, parmo, as you are a decent bloke.

parmo · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:16 pm

Yubep wrote:

Pools won't be signing him.

Good

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excellent

now we can all get on with supporting our club

Compo · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:17 pm

Who said this??

Poolieontour · **Joined:** Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:18 am **Posts:** 46

Just announced on Sky News - Hartlepool have announced that they will not be signing Ched Evans. I am pleased that it has been cleared up as I was going to totally disassociate myself with a club I love. Hello to all Bunkerites, been looking for a while now but thought I would start posting.

parmo · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:19 pm

welcome Mr OnTour

Compo · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:21 pm

Now can we spend that money in January on a striker we all want now please

grabec · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:22 pm

Poolieontour wrote:

Just announced on Sky News - Hartlepool have announced that they will not be signing Ched Evans. I am pleased that it has been cleared up as I was going to totally disassociate myself with a club I love. Hello to all Bunkerites, been looking for a while now but thought I would start posting.

What a stupendous relief.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

The biggest shock to me over this is how many fathers of daughters would be ok to sign a man who raped a women.

As a father of a daughter my first thought is of how I'd feel if he'd done it to her.

Can't believe how many seem ok with this, shocked me a wee bit.

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LoyalMonkey1908 · **Joined:** Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:41 pm **Posts:** 254

Well, there we have it, we're fucking relegated.

Thanks to a useless cuunt of a labour mp, a few people who think they're the fucking judiciary, and people who refuse to accept they celebrated numerous goals by the odd murderer in a pools shirt.

Nice one.

parmo · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:25 pm

all this exercise has done is cause people to make more enemies in my opinion

Cheers Pools, should have just said no in the first place!!!

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

LoyalMonkey1908 wrote:

Well, there we have it, we're fucking relegated.

Thanks to a useless cuunt of a labour mp, a few people who think they're the fucking judiciary, and people who refuse to accept they celebrated numerous goals by the odd murderer in a pools shirt.

Nice one.

Yeah that's the reason we're doomed

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Mick Tait's Head Bandage · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:32 pm

Could we have a new banner please? Something with a few halos ought to do it.

poolieinnottingham · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:34 pm

A lot of people are going on like he is some sort of genius who is guaranteed to keep us up, but as I said at the start of this thread if we've got money then we'll be able to buy undamaged goods.

MicksMan · **Joined:** Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:37 am **Posts:** 234

I do not get the argument that we shouldnt sign him as he is a role model.

Wayne Rooney cheated on his wife and kids with an elderly prostitute on numerous occasions. He is now captain of the biggest club in the world and COUNTRY!

Him having sex with old women hasnt made me want to do it any more than before..

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

Well it kept the board busy and I suppose the old adage of "what you've never had you never miss" applies..

Anyone know where there's 20 goal plus cf lying around wanting a game ?...

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:44 pm

Yubep wrote:

The biggest shock to me over this is how many fathers of daughters would be ok to sign a man who raped a women.

As a father of a daughter my first thought is of how I'd feel if he'd done it to her.

Can't believe how many seem ok with this, shocked me a wee bit.

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Perhaps I'm in a unique position in the sense that I have recently witnessed my dad get sent down despite there being no actual evidence, just one person's word against his.

You'd think the justice system would work a bit better than that. In Evans case, it doesn't seem anywhere near as straightforward as some think.

I don't trust the judicial system one single bit.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

His loan is till end of January

Poolsrme · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:56 pm

Not gonna happen........see official statement just released

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22681

All done. Nothing to see here.

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