Isn't there enough out there in the media to suggest we need a National inquiry whatever the figures are ?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3w69p2vz0lo

The silence is deafening,Mr P.??

Johnathan Pie take on Musk,
https://youtu.be/_R19bBpUw-U?si=fz0HWorR04iL_N_Z

Oddie I would like to hear your views on why you say Angela Raynor is useless.

for me you can go right back to thatcher where any high profile female politician gets a bad press, thought of as useless and people want them to fail. Is it many just do not like women in politics and this happens both with tory and labour MP,s. for every raynor and abbott you have a may and a truss.

I don't think it is about gender, these days. If a politician is perceived to be doing a good job they will be supported except by those with opposing political views. If the politician is seen to be failing they will get criticism from all sides regardless of gender.

Howay Oddie...don't be shy...give us some examples of why you think Angela Raynor is useless.

What a cock up by Starmer letting Raynor have an interview with the likes of Andrew Neil.

Come on Oddie tell us all why you think the former care worker who had a baby at the age of 16 and left school without any qualifications and was told she would not amount to anything is useless.
Howay Oddie...I'm waiting.

even if she is useless i,d say she is no more than many of the rest are. its as if she has took over from diane abbott as the one everyone wants to have a pop at. you could also say that it shows the state of british politics when someone so useless gets such a high position in a government.

Someone with no qualifications and minimal experience being made deputy PM is bound to draw scrutiny.
I suppose there is a parallel to John Prescott in some respect.
It was said that Blair's reason for appointing him was to keep him under control, as JP was the darling of the left. A bit like Rayner is alleged to be.
The whole cabinet has no Governmental qualifications and not much, if any, business experience, so she is not alone in that respect. They are just a bunch of idealistic amateurs and it shows.
Other than her left wing ideals I'm struggling to see what she brings to the table. Left wing ideals that usually flounder when they run out of other people's money.
On the other hand, another theory being suggested, is that Starmer could be deliberately placing her out of her depth.
Take your pick.
Useful or useless??? So far she is not glaringly useful, so naturally one leans toward useless. Can she turn that round??? Time will tell.
Is she the best candidate the Labour Party have to run the country in the PM's absence ??? Now that question makes me shudder.

100% correct on both counts Derwent she is probably there because of the same reason Blair had JP.
Secondly none if any of the current politicians have if any experience in running a business, straight from uni into politics.

Just looked up Harold Wilson and Ted Heaths records before they entered parliament and their history before entering politics is very similar to many of the current breed. Shows that not all were either champions of big business or the trade unions.

In my view, a politician that claims 1.5 million houses will be built within the life of this Parliament is either seriously deluded or deliberately trying to mislead. This is so obviously bollocks you doubt the mental capacity of the politician claiming it. This is why she deserves the label useless regardless of how many illegitmate kid's she's got and how old she was when she first got pregnant. Doesnt matter if you are an old Etonian or a working class hero, you have to do the job properly and part of that is coming across as serious and intelligent.

Spot on.

You make a very good point with your example on her housebuilding promise, Mr Ozzy but just as the whole bunch of them bullshitted their way into Parliament, they are continuing to do so by trying to bullshit their way out of their obvious errors of judgement. Public opinion, fickle as it is, continues to array against them as the electorate realise their horrible blunder. I dont think people have seriously considered that, in the event of Starmer becoming unable to govern, we would have Rayner at the helm. Like I said earlier the thought of her leading the country for just one minute makes me shudder. Surely nobody in their right mind would welcome that scenario.

I shudder a lot of the time with Starmer being charge. I think I would need to have some serious medication prescribed if Raynor ever got to be our "leader".

Aye best we put it to the back of our minds.

Raynor and Reeves ??.. Are they up to the job ,Mutley ?? Your opinion counts..

Don't hold back!!

So upto now Oddie, Accrington and derwent have all said Angela Raynor is useless but not one of them has given one example of her being useless.
Would one of you care to give an example of where she has been proved to be useless??
BTW...I haven't included Sussex in this because I take no notice of pissed-up tramps.

FFS.

THIS WAS POSTED ABOVE.

In my view, a politician that claims 1.5 million houses will be built within the life of this Parliament is either seriously deluded or deliberately trying to mislead. This is so obviously bollocks you doubt the mental capacity of the politician claiming it. This is why she deserves the label useless regardless of how many illegitmate kid's she's got and how old she was when she first got pregnant. Doesnt matter if you are an old Etonian or a working class hero, you have to do the job properly and part of that is coming across as serious and intelligent.

HOPE THIS HELPS

Therefore if Labour builds 1.5 million homes Rayner won’t be useless then ?

1.5m new houses is even less likely than Boris's 40 new hospitals. Every house builder has said its not going to happen and mainly because there's not enough skilled labour on the country to do it.

Every building company who are involved in the building industry should be made to take apprentices on gauged by the turnover of the company or at least sponsor them at college.
The main reason there won’t be that many houses built is the builders like to ration the number of houses they build to keep the prices going up, a glut in new builds would see the prices come down.

Therefore if Labour builds 1.5 million homes Rayner won’t be useless then ?[/quote]


You'd have to think somebody who is Secretary of State for Housing would have a basic grasp of how it all works regarding planning , infrastructure,utilities for new housing.Her plans are ridiculous and everybody in the building trade and councils knows it,apart from herself,jamie..

exactly. nobody is going to build houses for little profit they can make out of it. its too late now to keep prices down to what they call affordable housing as nothing does down in price.

never said she was useless but no more than many others. know some do not agree but it does seem female politicians do get more stick than their male counterpart. all the names mentioned on this topic seem to be female therefore david lammy must be doing a top job.

No need to shout Oddie.
That doesn't in the slightest show she is useless. Rarf.

Ask any builder, joiner, electrician, plumber, plasterer how much their pay has gone up in recent years, or their availability for work and you'll find the main reason for not building enough houses. Not enough tradesmen to do the work, builders will build for any worthwhile profit rather than not build at all, small profit always beats no profit.
She's brainless to suggest that 1.5m new houses is possible.

Looking on Rightmove, a 3 bedroom semi on Bishop Cuthbert an average size family house nowadays, £214000, house prices have gone crazy.

The key is to increase the number. It's already happening here. The problem is in the overcrowded South with lots of Nimbys.

Just let the Red bulldozers loose.Who cares if the roads,utilities etc can't cope eh.. nimbys don't have a say down here anymore,objections are just waived aside..

You could always show Angela your collection of Lego bricks and Tonka toys,Mutley??...

There you are Mr Ozzy, the brainwashed puppet has shown you how to answer, just put FFS.(don't forget to roll your eyes). He'll understand that.
I'm searching for a list of what she has achieved so far in office and I'm coming up with SFA, so that makes her useless I suppose.
Although she is very useful to one element of society namely opposition parties, she'll help some of them back into parliament.

It doesn't look as if Starmers Girls are doing very well so far. Sue Gray, Rachel Reeves, Angela Raynor, Siddiq and Jess what'sherface all struggling, and to think of the stick Diane Abbott has had to put up with. She makes that lot look very useless to say the least.

We're getting change right enough but not the change we thought we were promised.

Looks like the puppet is on a hot tin roof again.

Maybe his ABC wooden building bricks to be more precise.

You really are a prick Francis.

Fame at last.

I know what you've been upto.

So do I.

It is impossible to build that many homes in the claimed time scale so Raynor is either a useless liar or deluded and useless. There is no way she can emerge from this as any kind of adequate cabinet minister.

If this is thecase then surely no brain Raynor should be aware and not make such ridiculous claims.

a good indicator of the possibility of doing this must be the early post war mass housebuilding that went on to replace bomb damaged property across the country. how many houses were build and the time it took them.

Not really a good indicator though, more hoops to jump through in terms of planning permissions and building regs, this is completely new builds against rebuilds so drainage and utilities network infrastructure already in place, many prefabs built then which aren't the norm nowadays (difficult to get a loan on a prefab), etc
Face it, 1.5m new houses in this parliament ain't going to happen. Y

just change all the laws then including the one where its difficult to get mortgages for modern houses of non standard construction which are far removed from those of ww2 vintage people think of. it wasn,t just replacing what was there but many new estates and even new towns were set up but with a longer time frame this government seems to want.

Starmer's star team are falling apart!!,Mutley.??..What have you got to say?? ..What a shirker of serious issues you've become!!Pluto ..

Pluto oh smelly one??

Michael Berryman...have you thought about approaching a lookalike agency ??

I wouldn't know who he was if I tripped over him in the street.

I've heard Wurzel Gummidge is big on the look-a-like circuit at the moment though Sussex...fancy your chances??