Nothings been debunked at all, you select the opinion of one body ….we can all find an answer to suit our viewpoint in the wide plains of the internet.
I sat and watched the documentary featuring Oxford City Council who had plans to implement the said 15 minute traffic scheme,
I can only assume if it was never carried through it was because the Council were put off bt public resistance or advised to abandon it by national party’s.
Sounds like the idea of people who like to implement their preference over others

The intent was definitely there.

Nonsense. ID cards are common place in Europe, no one has a problem having one …you seem to imply such a scheme wouldn't work because a minority of paranoids and awkward squad nutters wouldn’t accept it.
This is just silly..

Well I’m glad to read this. It seems very sensible to me and you but in the current climate I’d be worried about it being accepted. I’m content to bow to your wisdom on this though.

Some of these protesters are out of order and they are getting rushed thru the courts.

Double standard like.
What about the BBC nonces and the peado Muslim bastads raping little girls in Rochdale Rotherham etc.

Oh let that drag on for ages.

Then this immigration shit.
Disgraceful government from Tories/Labour.

Add in the covid party lies and what a joke of a country we have become.

Fucken furious but best I don't say anymore.

There is a difference between a council planning their city to provide local facilities within 15mins versus actively controlling the population, allowing them to only shop where told… which is the conspiracy bit.

I think it's probably a political reluctance to implement id cards because it would lose votes, not because people think it's a bad idea. In the same way no mp will come out and say 'lets legalise drugs', even though it's a common sense answer. The fifteen minute city thing seems quite innocent to me, and I'm quite partial to a conspiracy theory :D you'll have to excuse me here if I've missed the point or haven't got one, I've had a bit of a drink.

Not at all, that’s all well put!

The problem is not with the 15 minute city idea but Oxfords Draconian implementation of their '15 minute city'.

It should encourage you to use your car less, if you can just easily walk to all the services you need and not waste money on petrol / parking, not force you to use your car less.

The problem I have with people wheeling out the fifteen minute city, is the same problem I have with people pulling out the 'cultural Marxism ' thing. It's a meaningless way to stop discussion, I'm all for a bit of conspiracy, always been a fan of David Icke, got quite a few of his books and to his credit they're very well researched. I have found though, conspiracy theorists have a habit of throwing phrases in that mean fuck all to cut off arguments. I'm not calling you a conspiracy theorist by the way, I'm just on a ramble lol

No one was ever told where to shop etc..that’s a lie by anyone who says it….but the real problem was the Councils ludicrous traffic flow system which in practical terms was a joke forcing motorists on long convoluted journeys and penalising motorists for too many ‘visits’ to certain locations which would require surveillance, all in the name of reducing car usage which as a side effect would disadvantage residents, consequently limiting access by car…so encouraging use of local facilities…..however they never visualised car owners heading out of town to shop and short circuiting the system ,.
When pointed out by ‘experts’ it was quietly buried at midnight and laughed off as just a subject for discussion as local government does, it was a well meant idea that got out of hand, but the error was denying it’s existence when they proposed it on the media.

We already have an ID system, your National Insurance number, all they have to do is issue a card similar to a Driving Licence.

Then there'll be tweaks of the cards which will I stantly identify people by race, ethnicity, sensuality, gender, and so on followed by no go areas without the correct papers.

for many having an ID card would be a big help when you have to provide a form of it. Not everyone had a full driving licence, passport or even a bus pass. Not everyone gets physical bills either and if they do they are thrown away once paid. if you are not up to no good then whats the problem. if carrying one around is the worst thing they can come up with things cannot be too bad.

the annoying part of the 15 minute city debate is that some actually think they will be imprisoned in them and not allowed to go out of them. thats the problem with discussions when all the facts are not put out but only a few that suit the cause.

In all honesty the clowns in charge couldn’t organise a bowel movement after a rancid bowl of tripe.
The Tory MP’s in Parliament were like 20 terriers chasing one rat …..and their Labour replacements look a like a performing seal convention clapping on cue.
I see no problem with an ID Card….but I wouldn’t trust them to get it right.

It'll be interesting to see if they plan a 'protest' in Clacton. See how that seedy wanker farage fancies fanning the flames in his own constituency.

Not Reform letting these asylum seekers in though is it to kill us.

SOK.

Just because he predicted what was going to happen last weeks.
Dosent mean he's responsible for previous governments who ain't got a clue.

Well the wicked combination of SM and the football season on its way looks like it could be a few more weeks before a bit of calmness is restored.

Lets hope so.

Reform fan the flames though, that's their thing.

Hope so for calmness incase that gets misinterpreted.

It's not a short term problem, look at Sweden where mass immigration led to riots in what is one of the most liberal countries on the planet.
Their PM admitted that the numbers coming in were a problem, but the main issue is a failure by the immigrees and the government to ensure integration, instead they created enclaves which were more or less mini communities built on their country of origin ethics and rules.
Same thing happening here, plus too many with no job, no education, no future, no discipline.

I saw one of his videos the other week from years ago, surprising how much he said would happen actually has happened, such as a world wide virus unleashed to give an excuse to lock the populations down, encouraging the decline of cash so the powers that be can monitor your spending and income easily, and a few unelected people having far too much influence over elected governments.
Obviously some of his other stuff does come across as far fetched but he's not the idiot he was painted out to be back in the day.

Yeah, he's been bang on about quite a few things. I have trouble with stuff like Ted heath was a child eating reptile though

With regards to immigration, my big issue is that some of the immigrants don't try to follow or recognise the laws of our land.
We let them do their halal slaughter. They can claim benefits for multiple wives even though its illegal to have more than one over here. Imagine if the 2 cap restriction on child benefit was scrapped!
Plus a lot of them don't even try to integrate and the way they treat women is from the stone age.

On the other hand, I have two Nigerian lads working for me and they are spot on, the nicest people you could wish to meet and a credit to their homeland.

Wasn't the queen one of them too?

I quite like something from a frankie Boyle routine about immigrants integrating, he said something along the lines of he finds it ironic the people complaining about it go abroad on holiday and have to order their dinner by pointing at a photo of egg and chips.
I've got no problem with halal slaughter, english slaughter houses will be absolutely horrific too.

I hope you pay them minimum wage and not £2.50an hour cash in hand

That wasn't a dig at you by the way

Thats fine. English slaughter houses are more "humane" but still gruesome.

They aren't daft lads, they know their worth! Both on more than minimum but have an excellent work ethic that puts others to shame.

Is any of that exclusive to immigrants though?

Don’t follow laws, benefit fraud, anti-social behaviour, sexist views. Dregs of society exist across all skin colours.

Let them all in. We might as well give them the money we spend trying to keep them out. Waste of time and energy. Most will work a lot harder than those rioting I'm sure. Most will go back home when they realise how much a Newcastle to London rail fare is.

By the way. I've witnessed halal slaughter first hand in an abattoir in willenhall. No problem with that. Quite humane. I don't know where the scare mongering comes from. He says the prayer and wallop. Head hanging off at the back of the neck. Dead within seconds. Hung up blood drains out, carcass split, innards out in less than a minute. It's all in accordance with European laws and has been since 1997 or thereabouts. Lamb that was. Been to a halal chicken abattoir too. Very similar. Very respectful to animals actually. Better than shooting them with a bolt and failing.

I don’t like the idea of ‘ritualising’ anything and no death is’respectful’
I’ll stick with a cheese and onion flan.

Tories and Labour are not interested in controlling immigration because they subscibe to the globalist agenda. People are increasingly angry about this. Reform actually stand up and give publicity to this issue. This strikes a chord with the electorate. Reform are not fanning the flames, they are giving a voice to those who the mainstream continue to ignore.

Reform absolutely do fan the flames, do you honestly think a grubby little spiv like farage cares about giving people a voice, it's all about what's in it for him. Son of a stock broker, public school boy... man of the people,well aye!

Poundland Trump., our Nige.

Er, bad comparison.
Starmer’s old man was indeed a tool maker, who also actually owned the company, hardly one of the lads on the shop floor.
Starmer attended Reigate Grammar, a 2-18 Co-educational Private school whose present day fees are £21,595.per annum..
He then attended Uni at Oxford and Leeds.

This business of labelling people is just a smoke screen to justify politicians total inability, or maybe refusal, to take notice of ordinary folk and their worries and concerns.
Yes there are the visible ones who are going further than just grumbling by attacking the Police, property etc, which is not acceptable but we ignore the growing ground swell at our peril.
There is unrest in the country over the way it is being run and this new government, despite their promise of change, of tackling poverty, of improving the economy, solving health and educational problems, the constant uncontrolled problem of illegal entry and asylum seeking, seem to be floundering in the very water they stirred up in recent years. Their decision making, or the lack of it, and knee jerking is underlining their total lack of experience, both at home and on the World stage. Bashing pensioners was not a very good start and we all know there is more to come.
Before the election they said the NHS was broken and now are saying they are surprised at it's state, immigration was out of control and are now finding out that they can't control it either. The first move they make on improving the NHS and the economy itself is to throw an inflation busting rise at the Junior doctors, fuelling a tit fot tat reaction from GP's.
After being told they would have to raise taxes and/or cut benefits to fund their ambitions they ignored that advice saying that they were going to "improve" performances and the economy to fund these ideals.
So in the short space of time they have re enforced the Tory policy on the child benefit cap, battered pensioners and finally admitted it was inevitable that they would have to raise taxes in the Autumn. But will it end there. They are seriously going to have to up their game to prevent any more unrest.
What have we done are the words on more and more people's lips, and thats after a few short weeks.
They're gonna have to find a better excuse than blaming the Tories and the Far right for their shortcomings.
Most of the people I know who are raising their eyebrows so far are not "Far" anything and feel affronted and alienated at the suggestion.
From promising to unite the nation, all they seem to be doing is dividing it.
Wake up folks.
Things are getting that daft that one comment I heard recently that this government were stoking the riots to cover up more bad news on their "promises"
Now there's a conspiracy theory to top them all............or is it ?????

Yeah but Starmer isn't...in the words of Alan Partridge...a daft racist.

I wasn't making a comparison, I was just having a pop at farage

Farage simply wants immigration to be controlled. In other words we control our borders so we know who comes into the country. That is what most people want except for our middle class lefty types who subscribe to a very different agenda. Farage is not racist he simply has the gonads to force the issue of immigration into the public domain rather than allowing the mainstream media and policians to ignore it. Guess what? This is making Farage very popular despite the desperate slurs from the liberal left.

On the money Ozzy

It's amazing that all the ills of the country can be laid at the door of those with different coloured skin. I mean, these "enclaves" that they have, they are always in the most sought after, desirable areas of our towns and cities, aren't they? They aren't impoverished are they? Are their job prospects that much better than their white counterparts? One branch of societies underclass taking out their frustrations at an inadequate life on another branch of societies underclass. Causing pointless destruction to the very areas they live.
Fuelled by people who will never have experienced life on the breadline in their entire lives. Laughable.

As for Farage not being racist, he perpetuated the myth that the Southport perpetrator was Muslim, despite knowing fine well that he wasn't. He's a grifter, who saw a way to become famous by pretending to be a salt of the earth, man of the people. He has nothing in common with me, he doesn't speak for me, and i'd love to see what he's actually doing for the buffoons in Clacton who actually voted for him.

Isn't it good that we all have different opinions Bit like football supporters who follow different teams Why don't we just get rid of every football club and just have the national team for everyone to follow. Come to think of it let's get rid of all parties and merge Tories & Labour into one ( it already happened ) for all to follow. Infact don't let people have different opinions make it a jailable offence.

Reponse to post from Herr Flick
Do you have any evidence that Farage perpetuated the "myth" that the Southport perpetrator was Muslim? I mean do you have a link or anything? By the way we dont know what religion he is do we unless I have missed something. He was born in the UK to Rwandan parents. He could have been brought up Christian, no religion or could have been converted to the religion of peace. We simply dont know do we, unless you know something I have missed.

Are you aware that some 43,000 potential terrorists are on the MI5 watch list? Guess how many are terrorist suspects from the religion of peace? 90%.
By the way I dont think anyone is laying all the ills of society at the doors of mass immigration but the problem is the mainstream keeps pretending that the impact is of no significance when ordinary people's lived experience suggests otherwise. People are sick of being ignored or called far right or racist. Sick of it.

Where did I say you couldn't have an opinion? Are you saying, in your opinion, all your ills are caused by people of different colour? Because all I pointed out was that they tend to live in the same deprived areas that those protesting supposedly do, with the same lack of services etc. Are they responsible for the chronic underfunding of public services, for the failure to reform the NHS and make it a sustainable, suitable organisation for the times we live in? For the failure to address the ever worsening Care crisis? Did they cause the lockdowns which have severely damaged our economy? Do you seriously think that stopping the boats will lead to all these problems disappearing? You have all these issues in Hartlepool, with a, relatively speaking, handful of immigrants. Maybe it's not all their fault.

He is a daft racist though

Well said Herr Flick.