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grumpytheelf · **Joined:** Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:21 am **Posts:** 158

tripledecker wrote:

I sadly think a by product of all this will be having to wade through sanctimonious opinions from all sorts of people who couldn't care less about pools

That is one of the sad things about this, we are seemingly being instructed to take moral guidance from outside, mainly led by the sodding British media & some MPs, you couldn't make it up.

Twilight Zone · **Joined:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1428

Dalton'sHaircut wrote:

This is an unbelieveable thread, plenty of blokes seem morally bankrupt. Ok rape isn't maybe a black and white area but his behavior was morally reprehensible. I love the fact that blokes on this thread having heard the press reports seem more qualified to pour scorn on that of a jury and judge having heard all the evidence. But hey if it keeps Pools up what the heck.....

How many innocent people are in jail now after a judge and jury found them guilty. How many innocent people hung for crimes not committed...but hey if it stops a man plying his trade after doing his sentence what the heck....

Twilight Zone · **Joined:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1428

grumpytheelf wrote:

tripledecker wrote:

I sadly think a by product of all this will be having to wade through sanctimonious opinions from all sorts of people who couldn't care less about pools

That is one of the sad things about this, we are seemingly being instructed to take moral guidance from outside, mainly led by the sodding British media & some MPs, you couldn't make it up.

Thats two spot on sensible messages in my opinion.

JimmyGiro · **Joined:** Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:02 pm **Posts:** 381

After reading this https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-che ... dwyn-evans this is far far from a water tight conviction. Now wonder he's trying to clear his name, some very strange technicalities. When I was reading he raped someone I was thinking he stalked some female, viciously dragged her off behind some bins and took what he wanted. He should be allowed to continue his football career especially with this piss poor conviction. To put in bluntly, he really got fooked that night.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:00 am

Tree_With_Hamster wrote:

Can't do links on phone but daily mirror running article and quoting both monkeybutt and poolieinmottingham.

My 5 minutes of fame, done :dance:

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

GeoffcN wrote:

Well time for me to enter the debate I think.

What he is alleged to have done is reprehensible.
He has served his time for this according to the sentence that was passed down

he is now a free man who has chosen to appeal against the sentence that was imposed upon him.

Therefore he cannot make any sort of apology as he is maintaining that it was not rape.

Whether you like the guy or not, that is the current state of affairs.

I for one will not hold him up as a beacon of paragon but he is looking to start his career again - at the foot of the football league- and I believe he deserves every chance to prove himself.

If Pools give him this chance I will fully support them.

Well the club has spoken.

tupling's barber · **Joined:** Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:47 pm **Posts:** 250

The facts- Evans has been convicted of rape. He sought leave to appeal. This was rejected at the Crown Ct stage. He then applied to the Court of Appeal. They upheld the conviction. Appeal process over at that point. He is not still in an appeal stage. Three Courts have looked at the evidence now & have found the same. Case is now with the body that looks at alleged miscarriages of justice. It is not an appeal body , it is a Review Board but can refer cases back to the Court of Appeal. Even if they do refer it back & there's no guarantee they will , even then, Evans may not win that appeal. That's where we're at. As for visiting a hotel when his mate's texted him, taking a couple of blokes with him & then having intercourse & so on with a young girl who is off her head, that 's alright is it!?. No, it's not. Anybody who thinks differently seriously needs their head examined.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

Front page of the sunday telegragh and a full discussion on the bbc breakfast programme kust now.

Made terrible reading and watching.

We have really slumped to new depths.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

To the point made about schools and colleges.

I totally agree

But I bet one particular school remains silent.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:37 am

People who you would not expect to take such an aggressive stance on this, based on their usual daily horseshit post`s!

Hartlepool are a club that people like because we are a nice club, perhaps we should become a club like Leeds, who every fucker hates, we are sat at the arse of the football league people and the manager thinks this player can help us, so let him do his job!

We have minimal sponsorship, so take some of it away, who would notice?

Some people wouldn`t go anymore, well guess what, when we play shit and slip down a league, that happens anyway!

The board attention seekers jump on the outrage bus, business as usual....

Let the club decide what is the best decision, if you don`t like it, stay at home and bang your gums on here, I will see the others at the next home game and Mansfield if your going :dance:

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

Interesting.

It seems to me that those in favour seem to conclude that:

It may mot have been a rape.........just scummy sub human behaviour.

So thats ok then.

And as further justification.

Other footballers have done similar and got away with it.

So thats alright as well then.

And as he is appealling the appeal of an appeal of a trial it seems thats how evans thinks too.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37910

A PR disaster by the manager.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:21 am

Andy Dibbles Gloves wrote:

Interesting.

It seems to me that those in favour seem to conclude that:

It may mot have been a rape.........just scummy sub human behaviour.

So thats ok then.

And as further justification.

Other footballers have done similar and got away with it.

So thats alright as well then.

And as he is appealling the appeal of an appeal of a trial it seems thats how evans thinks too.

So the Angel Dribble has never done anything off the beaten path huh?

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:24 am

Snowy wrote:

A PR disaster by the manager.

Really?

I think you will find that all PR, positive and negative gets the job done, if indeed we needed some PR that is, obviously positive is better, but when would we ever get that, you know good old Hartlepool, hung a feckin monkey and all that banghead

Kevin Dixon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:04 am **Posts:** 1432

Let him that is without sin throw the first stone

I think the thread now needs deleting we can go on all day , if he signs and you still want to go to Pools go if you dont stay away.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

You are comparing employng a convicted rapist to an old fable from ancient hartlepool.

Priceless.

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:47 am

From a footballing perspective it would be great having him. Morally clearly it wouldn't be. If this talk had happened a fortnight ago when ior were still in charge can you imagine what it would be like right now. Ww3!

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:51 am

Andy Dibbles Gloves wrote:

You are comparing employng a convicted rapist to an old fable from ancient hartlepool.

Priceless.

That wasn`t a comparison drama queen, analogy of good old Hartlepool stpid

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Nobody can successfully argue that this isn't a PR disaster, it will create an absolute shit storm and weeks or months of negative publicity for the club. The clubs name will attract hundreds of column inches pretty much exclusively negative.

The simple question is are we ready for that in order to help us start winning matches again? It's a tough one it really is.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

monkeybutt wrote:

Andy Dibbles Gloves wrote:

You are comparing employng a convicted rapist to an old fable from ancient hartlepool.

Priceless.

That wasn`t a comparison drama queen, analogy of good old Hartlepool stpid

Dribble? Drama queen?

I am being called names by the boards areshole. :laugh:

mugsy · **Joined:** Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:17 pm **Posts:** 68

Why would we want to take a chance on this scumbag, he hasnt played serious football for the best part of three years, our clubs reputation would be dragged through the mud spend the money on somebody else dont allow this rapist to tarnish our reputation the kind of money he would want could be better spent.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

mugsy wrote:

Why would we want to take a chance on this scumbag, he hasnt played serious football for the best part of three years, our clubs reputation would be dragged through the mud spend the money on somebody else dont allow this rapist to tarnish our reputation the kind of money he would want could be better spent.

Quick question; have you ever seen him play?

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:59 am

If pools don't quash this link soon then our name will be mud anyway. We have already put ourselves in a bad light and lots of people will simply make the assumption that Hartlepool have signed a rapist. If this talk of signing him goes on for another day for two then we may aswell sign him up as the bad publicity would already have escalated.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:00 am

Andy Dibbles Gloves wrote:

monkeybutt wrote:

Andy Dibbles Gloves wrote:

You are comparing employng a convicted rapist to an old fable from ancient hartlepool.

Priceless.

That wasn`t a comparison drama queen, analogy of good old Hartlepool stpid

Dribble? Drama queen?

I am being called names by the boards areshole. :laugh:

Deflect attention as much as you like, everyone knows you`re a drama queen and an attention seeking bitch, do you have a small penis?

Fensy · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:15 pm **Posts:** 6477

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

As for that pathetic excuse for an MP..... how come you were never so vocal about the hospital or a myriad of other local issues? How come you stand by and watch the local council becoming a farce? How come you only speak out when theres a passing bandwagon, the bigger the better? Given your complete lack of credibility in the town, your words are entirely meaningless.

He has just been interviewied on Sky Sports News about it now

mugsy · **Joined:** Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:17 pm **Posts:** 68

PJPoolie wrote:

mugsy wrote:

Why would we want to take a chance on this scumbag, he hasnt played serious football for the best part of three years, our clubs reputation would be dragged through the mud spend the money on somebody else dont allow this rapist to tarnish our reputation the kind of money he would want could be better spent.

Quick question; have you ever seen him play?

He has been in jail nobody has seen him play recently

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

mugsy wrote:

PJPoolie wrote:

mugsy wrote:

Why would we want to take a chance on this scumbag, he hasnt played serious football for the best part of three years, our clubs reputation would be dragged through the mud spend the money on somebody else dont allow this rapist to tarnish our reputation the kind of money he would want could be better spent.

Quick question; have you ever seen him play?

He has been in jail nobody has seen him play recently

You have no idea how good a footballer he is then.

Freaky Teeth · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:17 am

Yubep wrote:

All the best rumours come from a sunderland forum

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It would seem so confised

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37910

monkeybutt wrote:

Snowy wrote:

A PR disaster by the manager.

Really?

I think you will find that all PR, positive and negative gets the job done, if indeed we needed some PR that is, obviously positive is better, but when would we ever get that, you know good old Hartlepool, hung a feckin monkey and all that banghead

So for example ...Hitlers publicity got the job done. ?.. what planet are you on.

mugsy · **Joined:** Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:17 pm **Posts:** 68

Quick question; have you ever seen him play?[/quote]

He has been in jail nobody has seen him play recently[/quote]

You have no idea how good a footballer he is then.[/quote]

For me its not about his ability i wouldnt want him playing for the club i support and dont want any of my hard earned money going to his bank account

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

That's fair enough but you asked 'why' we would sign him, I saw him play against us at Brammall Lane a few years ago and he was one of the best opposition players I have ever seen, miles too good for League One so good knows how much he'd stand out at this level. In pure footballing terms it's a no brainer.

mugsy · **Joined:** Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:17 pm **Posts:** 68

PJPoolie wrote:

That's fair enough but you asked 'why' we would sign him, I saw him play against us at Brammall Lane a few years ago and he was one of the best opposition players I have ever seen, miles too good for League One so good knows how much he'd stand out at this level. In pure footballing terms it's a no brainer.

Your probably right about his ability but after nearly three years away from the game how long is it going to take for him to get back to that standard plus i think this debate is about more than his football ability

stevejones_number1 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:20 am **Posts:** 137

mugsy wrote:

PJPoolie wrote:

That's fair enough but you asked 'why' we would sign him, I saw him play against us at Brammall Lane a few years ago and he was one of the best opposition players I have ever seen, miles too good for League One so good knows how much he'd stand out at this level. In pure footballing terms it's a no brainer.

Your probably right about his ability but after nearly three years away from the game how long is it going to take for him to get back to that standard plus i think this debate is about more than his football ability

Most prisons have football teams so he has probs been playing and keeping his fitness levels up there

happy gilmore · **Joined:** Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:25 am **Posts:** 25

People may feel angry now but if we are relegated the feeling will be a lot worse in May. The pain of the cup exit hurt for a couple of weeks until the takeover gave us hope.The new set up is maybe testing the water with this one,was it just an off the cuff remark that reporters have made a mountain out of and as for the local MP jumping on the bandwagon he has 90000 hospital problems to sort out before he starts threatening to rip up his season ticket over moral grounds

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:49 am

Surprisingly I just carefully brought up the issue with the wife. I half expected her to jump on her high horse and tell me I'm never going to pools again if we signed him. The response was the opposite. If he has done his time then he has a right to a job. Its not exactly a lucrative premier league role for him playing for pools.

HonestPoolie · **Joined:** Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:46 pm **Posts:** 663

Ronnie Moore has been put I charge and given the job to keep pools up. If he can get a 25 goal a season striker on a free then he has to go for it for the sake of his own job. Do people really think any of us whether that be club or supporters condone his actions? The priority for pools is to stay in the league and if it means we make some enemies on the way then so be. I don't intend to take the moral high ground, Moore needs to do what is right for the club on the football pitch and i support his footballing decisions. There's already plenty of murderers, wife beaters, players accused of rape but money makes it go away and serial criminals playing. It might not be right but its the fickle low moral world of football

stevejones_number1 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:20 am **Posts:** 137

Anyone on here should put themselves in that position to of met up with a girl and do the deed then the next day she regrets what she's done and calls the police and tells them she was raped by you, you get arrested and jailed for it even though you claim your not guilty the system says you are. wouldn't you feel a little aggrieved that everyone has shut you out and labelled you a rapist. If and its a big if, his case does get re-herd and it is found to have been a miscarriage of justice then what will all these "im staying away" fans be saying then

Jonny · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 11:20 am

MutleyRules wrote:

I'm interested to hear Jeff Stellings take on this!!!! confised

Isn't Fat Man a barrister? I'd be more interested in what he has to say about the whole case and evans returning to football.

Compo · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 11:28 am

Doesn't matter if your a barrister or not the issue isn't a law answer but a moral one. Yes he is able to work after release but should it be at Pools?

Footballing reasons it's a no brainer.
Moral reasons not in a million years.
Also we would never get and sponsorship money again.

I for one also would like to know the players opinions? Could you honestly work along side a convicted rapist?

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22681

No, he's just a legal professor at a university so what does he know!

Kevin Dixon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:04 am **Posts:** 1432

Gibsons Beard wrote:

Surprisingly I just carefully brought up the issue with the wife. I half expected her to jump on her high horse and tell me I'm never going to pools again if we signed him. The response was the opposite. If he has done his time then he has a right to a job. Its not exactly a lucrative premier league role for him playing for pools.

exactly the same response from my wife.

Hartleblue · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 11:35 am

Right, I am stuck sat on the fence on this debate, I want the best proven goal scorer we can get to get us out of our situation, but I don,t like the man and the situation he put himself in to end up where he has.

I thought Joe Ironside was our man of the match yesterday and would be a great alternative signing even if we have to pay a fee, assuming .....
a. Sheffield united would let him go and....
b. He would want to sign for us.

Just my opinion like.

grumpytheelf · **Joined:** Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:21 am **Posts:** 158

Kevin Dixon wrote:

Gibsons Beard wrote:

Surprisingly I just carefully brought up the issue with the wife. I half expected her to jump on her high horse and tell me I'm never going to pools again if we signed him. The response was the opposite. If he has done his time then he has a right to a job. Its not exactly a lucrative premier league role for him playing for pools.

exactly the same response from my wife.

According to Chip both of your wives (and mine) are probably rapists.

Compo · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 11:43 am

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

No, he's just a legal professor at a university so what does he know!

I know who he is Mr I and he is most sensible poster on here. Fact I was saying is that it's not a law question but a moral one. I agree been heard in count with all evidenceand he has been found guilty and appeals knocked back, surely a barrister would agree with that.

Now I want to hear his answer morally as much as anyone's but the fact he works in law should give anymore weight to his answer than you or me. Now if his conviction was on a technicality that would be different.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22681

I was tongue in cheek Compo. Fat Man is on my 'do not ignore' list too.

grumpytheelf · **Joined:** Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:21 am **Posts:** 158

Regardless of the legal aspect of his case the moral judgement should lie with the club and only the club because those in charge of the game nationally have said he can play and those in charge of offender management have no issue with it either.

The fact the media have waded into this case in such a big way saddens me because most of those moral pillars would sell their gran down the river to get a few more column inches sold.

stevejones_number1 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:20 am **Posts:** 137

How about Evans signs a pre contract agreement and if his miscarriage of justice thing don't go as he wants and his conviction is upheld then he walks away but if its over turned he gets to play and start a fresh

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 11:59 am

Great post Chip!!!! clappp

stevejones_number1 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:20 am **Posts:** 137

Chip Fireball wrote:

stevejones_number1 wrote:

Anyone on here should put themselves in that position to of met up with a girl and do the deed then the next day she regrets what she's done and calls the police and tells them she was raped by you, you get arrested and jailed for it even though you claim your not guilty the system says you are. wouldn't you feel a little aggrieved that everyone has shut you out and labelled you a rapist. If and its a big if, his case does get re-herd and it is found to have been a miscarriage of justice then what will all these "im staying away" fans be saying then

Alternatively you could put yourself in the position of the young lass, who was raped by a bloke while his mates filmed it. Who was then named publicly on social media, who was abused in the street and received death threats, and had to move away from her friends and family and be given a new identity. Nobody, Evan included, seems to have given her any consideration, other than a few idiots on here who seem to think she had it coming to her anyway.

Frankly, your post disgusts me. The reason people are " labelling " him a rapist is because a judge and jury found him guilty beyond all reasonable doubt on hearing ALL the evidence, not just the bits on his website.

That verdict has been upheld all the way through the appeals process. As I said I'd rather take the verdict of three senior judges who have examined the case than six gobshites on a message board.

I have no truck with people say what he did was wrong and he deserves a second chance, but people suggesting he didn't really rape her or that he behaved like a decent human being ? Fuck me, did your parents not bring you up to know the difference between right and wrong or how decent people should behave ?

If I was in the girls shoes I wouldn't be so shallow as to go to a hotel room with a footballer and expect just to sit there and eat pizza and watch telly at 4am, She clearly knew what she was doing, weather by the accounts that I have read online she was awake and aware that evans was there and knew what was going on until the next morning, weather that is all true or not only 2 people really know.

As for my parents bringing me up correctly they did I do know right from wrong and as said above I wouldn't be so stupid to go to a hotel with a random person

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:04 pm

I wonder how many in this Thread were seething with rage and shouting 'rapist' and booing him when he played here not so long ago against us....and scored I think....and that was before he had got found Guilty!!!! confised

It's a funny old World!!!!

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