It was always Pools.
Took longer than required due to being on holiday etc

The guy showed the list of clubs they were considering, the scoring criteria, and the scores each club got against the criteria. Wrexham topped us on potential size of crowds and also on the fact that they had no top class teams local to them.
I'd say the guy in charge of the whole project is a far more reliable source than anyone on here's speculation. But hey, there's folk believe the earth is flat and the moons made of cheese. Everyone's perception or opinion is their truth, factual or not.

Read something the other day too that said Wrexham are in debt to the tune of just shy of £12m to their Hollywood owners.

Of course that shit about the moon n earth is false.
But If Sing said it I'm pretty sure you would believe him.
Cant see anyone toppling you of the present Superfan Leader board.

Beano or Dandy

Thought the superfans were the ones constantly criticising cos they're the only ones who can see what's going on and criticise only out of sheer love for the club??

Already said why he may feel obliged to say Wrexham were first regardless of whether they were or not. I don't know why you're motivated to go with the face value of what he said. Well that's not quite true, I do know. We all do.

Are you for real you've ready said why he might have said something - that's supposition which is what I said earlier.

Wrexham published accounts on Companies House states that in June 2023 the debt owed to Ryan Reynolds was £9.3m so it could quite easily be over the £12m owed to him and his pal by now. Hardly Beano or Dandy!

Dunno why you've dug your heels in over this. I'm kidding, we all know.

It would appear that they did prove you wrong

They did not 100%
Resulting in non league forever to a slow death.

Sarly didn't have a clue attack wise but now deserves credit for the high press closing down which resulted in not many goals conceded.

Mr Burns improved the attack slightly but majorly caved the defence in since Sarly left.


A bit of halfway balance while they were both on the payroll would have us in the top 7.

Fair assessment but your welcome to disagree or menu our now pathetic so called Promotion Challenge.

thing is that type of amount might be a drop in the ocean for him but we,d be in admin with less than half that amount of debt. some clubs have gone under with less than a million in the red.

They'll be fine as long as the fairy tale continues, but if he ever calls in that debt they're f*cked. Same as most clubs I reckon just varying levels of debt.

unless he and the others really fall into debt themselves i doubt clubs have much to worry about. it might be just a rich mans hobby for most of them, but like all hobbies you get fed up with you more or less just cut your losses and walk away from them after enjoying your time doing them. if the premier league along with the EFL decide on the maximum debt a club can have there could be some strange names competing at all levels. its fine having a hobby if nobody tells you how to play with it through rules and regs.

I wudent believe everything on PAOCH website.
Probably more truth in VIZ Or these Gangster Podcasts.

9.3 Million and counting, In Loans.

9.3 Million and counting, In Loans.

Even Raj cant compete with that. All the way to oblivion.

Sarll deserves NO credit.
But we should thank Stevenson and Campbell for moving him on!

But it's not just among the numbers withing the accounts spreadsheet, it's mentioned specifically within the opening accounts statement. It was also mentioned in interviews with Reynolds himself that he ploughed millions of his own money in to fast track the promotion objective as he knew the project would fail if promotion wasn't achieved quickly.
I wouldn't imagine that there's many full time clubs in the country that don't have significant debt to be fair.

tell us more. what did they do to get him out. know stevenson was not a fan after having a quick word with him but i,d guess he was in the majority.

It all depends on the willingness of the owner to wipe these debts if they ever sell. In Wrexhams case I would say they're in good hands. In our case.....

IOR wiped the slate clean when they sold Pools, I wouldn’t hold my breath on Raj Singh doing the same, I would say little of no chance.

There's a bumpy ride coming up Poolies, strap in.

Sadly Pooly Imp I reckon your on the money.

Ye.

A certain type don't go into business to lose money.

Not even a few penny's.

Sadly Pooly Imp I reckon your on the money. [/quote]

Ye.

A certain type don't go into business to lose money.

Not even a few penny's.


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Certain folk in life would rather lose a limb than a 1p piece.

Do people take over football clubs expecting to make a profit? Is that what motivated the Wrexham backers? Do the owners of the likes of Man City, Chelsea etc turn a healthy profit each financial year? Did Raj save Pools from oblivion in order to make himself a few quid? Why is it the majority of Football clubs have huge debts hanging round their necks with regular scare stories of somer club or other teetering on the edge of going bust?

I reckon at some point there'll be a fillum made about the Wrexham story and they'll recoup plenty from it. But I'd say nobody expects to make a profit from owning a football club, even Barca have huge debt.
The problem for the smaller clubs is attracting owners willing to lose a few bob with the odds stacked against them.

And Raj will want ALL he's 'PUT' into Pools back....Goodnight Vienna.

He didnt get it back at Darlo, He just folded them.

And what the hell has Rigsbys Cat got to do with it.

That's very bleak and sadly not unrealistic for us.

I know and the same will happen to Pools.

scare stories for likes on the internet and to sell newspapers. remember during covid of similar stories of over 20 league clubs going out of business. funny how they are still all there. our debts are small in comparison to many others and if a new owner is either not prepared or unable to pay raj what he actually wants they are either not that interested or have the finance we want to make a change. ok the value of the club might be less but like in our lives i guess most have paid over the odds for something we wanted.

How about the club obviously isn't worth what he's asking and there is nobody around with that level of wealth in combination with the levels of stupidity required to meet his price. The comparison to hyped up clickbait is entirely false. There is no more cup runs or transfers or any other significant funds to come in. Crowds are down. Debt will grow. Potential buyers will need to be even more stupid.

Raj will have to start spending his own money pretty soon...but will he??
Think we all know the answer to that.
And won't he have to start paying back the loan money from Sport England soon??

That sounds like the same outcome as Darlo then.
I'm sure the Trust will play a major part to revitalise the club from there on in.

Then you got the choice to back them or watch that Pub team on gray fields grass!!!!!!

The future is in the balance.

honestly anyone buying any football club has to be stupid and enjoy spending the money they have earned. not one of them will make a profit out of it and all they,ll get is grief off fans if their club is not as succesful as they wish it to be. its all about how much they are prepared to pay for their hobby even if that was a long time poolie who was interested. the other worry is when raj does go we are more likely to see some unknown from se england taking the club on than a born and bred north eastener with love for the area.

And with the extortion Council Tax we have paid over the years the Council won't have the bottle not to help out.
Cant fault them for still owning the ground like.

Slightly off topic.
I read in Saturdays newspaper that 25% of our c tax goes towards councillers paying themselves excellent wages n early retirement superb pension pots.

No more garden waste collections.

Shirt n tie burgalry of the highest degree.
Dick Turpin will be turning in his grave.

Not necessarily. I spend money on my hobby. I still want the best value though. Or I'll just keep me money.

We've had good buyers come knocking. If Raj wants a buyer, local or not then he has to lower his expectations. If he does then there's no reason to think it more likely that a buyer would not be local.

doubt you.d find a single fan happy with our lot at the moment. not a raj fan by a long way but my mind is also not wanting news of him selling up everytime i come on here. if any of us were really loaded and bought the club i,d guess we would all have our failures down the way and even get too hands on with the playing side of things. really did he employ a manager to fail. is it his fault our best team is never player or the tactics on the pitch might not be to our liking. feel at times the ior days are only good for the memory and fans will never be happy until they see those days return. looking at most of the period of pools we are about where we have always been. a club struggling both on and off the pitch with only an average interest in comparison to other league 2 sides. it would need a miracle of biblical proportions for us to become a wrexham, notts county, chesterfield or even an oldham or stockport regarding gates. we have not got the capacity for a start.

I get you. I know you aren't doing this yourself but the argument that fans who are unhappy with the way things are at the club just want IOR back or another similar 'money to burn' owner has been used to try and undermine anyone who dared to criticise the mighty Mr Singh. It's simply not the case though and it sounds like you can see that too.

I don't think he picks the sides or sets the tactics. But he has made lots of poor decisions that have massively affected our fortunes on the pitch. He is puling all the strings even if they go through a few sets of pulleys. I've said it before, it doesn't matter whose name is above the door at Pools (including Raj Singh) but they've got to nurture the club.

Regardless of who you compare us to, you know we are underachieving as a club. We are being hamstrung, prevented from reaching our potential. It may not be deliberate but true all the same.

like all owners if we were walking this league he,d hardly be getting a mention or anything positive to say about him. owners only seem to get talked about when clubs are in the shit or underperforming. its only the high profile foreign owners who get mentioned in the good times. there will be many succesful clubs at all levels who fans of other clubs have no idea who they are. Apart from pools, oldham and forest green i have no idea who owns any nat.league clubs at all 3 levels.

IOR were very clever of not having fans say

Check us out on Companies House.

Singh has made awful decisions that have put us where we are today in terms of recruitment--he is also extremely thin skinned and responds negatively and childishly to any criticism.
He isn't a bad person or trying to enrich himself but he is a poor owner who long since lost his appetite for the role and it would be better for the club (and likely him) if he cut his losses accepted the trust run offer and moved on with his life.

a lot depends on how much of a loss he is prepared to make. always feel that the first concrete offer you get could be the best one as he might not get one as good if he hangs on. how many of us have been in this position selling stuff. expect more than the first offer but never get offered that amount ever again to really make a bigger loss in the end.

Singh isn’t in business to lose money well not his money, if he was he would be long gone.

so how long is he prepared just to hang around whilst the club stagnates. its not as if his phone is going to be busy with people putting in offers. biggest worry is him accepting a good one for him but not for our future which i doubt will ever bother him after the day he is gone. he might actually like that thinking it serves those bastard poolies right.