Listen, not everyone who wants racist shit off the bunker is a raging wokey dokey left. Just simply want racist shite off the bunker.... because it's racist shite and those who spout it are racist knob heads. That's pretty much it, a dislike of knob heads and their antics.

I was lumbered with a number

Don’t hold back…sometimes your delivery is life a Buccaneer hitting the arrester wire ….so much energy suddenly dissipates so quickly.
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I meant mechy, I was lumbered with Electricians all my life, you were lucky it was short term.

Jamie, you are being electricianist!

When you've tried to be subtle and it hasn't worked, perhaps it time to stop dropping leaflets and drop summat noisier.

I wonder why 'no black person should ever play for England or represent England in any sport even if they were born here' wasn't picked up by derwent then? He must think it's not racist...even though it clearly is very racist.

That's where you're wrong Sussex. I think even LEGAL migrants who commit serious crimes within a given timescale...say 10 years of arrival....should be deported after their sentence.

When someone says 'I'm not racist but....' it's usually followed by something racist accrington.

And if there’s no…’but’…?

I never confront them face to face?? I was a member of Anti-Facist Action for a few years back in the day confronting and fighting racists/nazis. Also had loads of scraps over the years at gigs with racist/nazi skinheads.
The reason it gets to me Snowy is I know you and your character and you haven't a racist bone in your body...but never speak out about it on here. I said exactly the same to Leggie this morning when we took Jess round.

Happened to me late 80's and 90's....joined Tyne & Wear Anti-Facist Association first and done marches and handing out leaflets...never worked so joined AFA for more direct action.

It’ll make sense eventually

i,d say that was the most racist comment thats been posted on here. its not as if its the first time i had heard it and those who say it have nothing to back there opinions up with. however i,d agree with anybody who says a person born and bred in another country should not play for england no matter what their colour is. who your parents are and especially grandparents should not come into it.

I'm getting pretty tired of this modern obsession of looking for "racism" where it most likely doesn't exist.

And I'll go one stage further and state that there is actually no such thing as "racism" as we are all the same race - i.e. the human race - which is why me and Diane Abbott could've shagged each other senseless and produced some fuck-ugly mid-brown babies. (Assuming that I wasn't using Jeremy Corbyn's arse as a condom.)

It's tribalism, and that's it. No more, no less.

And in reality, this country is one of the least "racist" countries in the world, if not the numero uno.

But despite that, it's getting to be like the McCarthy era in the USA where every fucker was looking for "Reds under the bed".

And I for one am absolutely fucking sick of hearing it.

its tribalism from start to finish in this country where people dislike the ones from a nearby town never mind their skin colour. was told years back when going to coventry for a night out not to say i,m from rugby, a ten minute train journey away. you can understand the glasgow/edinburgh thing and cardiff/swansea as political decisions favour one over the other but not like other places in the country.

I agree to an extent. However blatant racism is a still real thing and it made its way onto here. You don't have to be any kind of 'looney leftie' to be sickened by it, call it out and get rid.

I agree Imp but this subject has far exceeded the problem over the last few years. It seems to be the go to subject for any disagreements particularly political views. People are getting more n more afraid to speak or post on sites now in fear of being called racists or other stuff and some use the racists card to attack someone who simply has a different political view point. A good example is some call out racists if another posts support for Trump etc. I am as certain as I can be going by my family friends and acquaintances (which includes a few on here like MutleyRules ) that the vast majority of British People are not one bit racists in the same way your not.

It's a racist opinion being posted on an open forum, probably the best way to deal with it is what I suspect the majority do and not respond, thereby not giving it credence or the opportunity to escalate.

Socialism.

The very fact the rich, Conservatives, Fascists, neo liberals move heaven and earth to make sure it never takes hold and becomes popular, tells you everything you need to know. Whilst we've never had true Socialism in the UK, looking back, we had the nearest thing to it, in the years from 1946 to 1979. The very years most people moaning want to go back to. Despite been demonized, the very things that are the glue that hold our lives together were forged during this period, NHS, pensions, sick pay, welfare, paid holidays etc were because of Socialism supported by the Labour Party and the unions, and not really contested that much by the Tories, who even they realised that after the war that things had to improve and couldn't carry on as they had before. The very threat of Socialism gaining popularity after the war, was instrumental in the positive change that followed over the next 30 years or so. Both Labour and the Tories knew they had to act. People hadn't gave up their lives to come back from war to live in slums, job insecurity, poverty with no rights. In 1975 the income gap between the rich and poor was at its narrowest, anyone remember 1975 ? arguably the best year ever to be working class in the UK and alive. The only people who were pissed off between 1946 and 1979 were the rich, who saw their wealth decrease as some of that money was diverted towards helping the working class. I once watched a heartbreaking story on tv, where the granddaughter of a former coal owner, was berating the unions, blaming them for her grandad the coal owner having to sell up his stately home in South Yorkshire and move into a 10 bedroom house in Mayfair, after those pesky Socialists had nationalised the coal industry and made him poorer, not that poor where he had to use a foodbank though or sell his dog, and he would've got well compensated as well. My heart bleeds for people like this, NOT.

It's not a purely capitalist country, true. Socialism has never worked for anyone so I would stick with our mix of capitalism with a few socialist bits and bobs. I'm not really confident in the government owning all means of production.

there are certain things that should be taken out of private hands like gas, electricity, water, public transport which are for everyone. the only problem has been like the NHS has shown is they become top heavy with admin staff, none jobs and big loss makers.

Thanks for the rep!y. My view is that whatever system you have it always ends up with a social and /or a political elite taking control, it's what the human race does. Pure Socialism does not exist in a world where you have to engage in international trade. Just as Trumpism if not altered will lead to another Crash.

Time will tell about a crash but I dont believe that will happen. Its all about opinions afterall.

If your not aware Leggie the global markets have already crashed, our own markets FTSE 100 and 250 have dropped a 1000 points, more info in the link.
https://apnews.com/article/stocks-marke ... 4a74a6a1b6

Didn't tariffs cause the original Great Depression

no. it was pools who were crap back then.

Hard to find what caused the initial crash, but what made it worse was a panic selling of assets followed deflation in commodities prices and the final killer a nationwide drop in demand by comsumers that made it a depression…an unlikely sequence.…or summat like that.

No problem ! I have to agree, though I would add, it always end up with social and or political elite taking contro only if you ( the people ) let it. The sad fact is, the majority of people are not that interested in politics, only when a problem turns up at their door, take immigration for example, standards of living are falling, people look for a scapegoat, " oh look at those Nigerians, they'll do " when they are not the real problem, and the problems were there long before millions of immigrants starting coming ashore in the UK.

I think you could have international trade under Socialism, but as I have already outlined, Capitalists have always made sure that no one gets to see that this is possible, that Socialism could work, that's the last thing rich Capitalists want you to see. Do we really need international trade on the scale we've seen in the past? is this the end of globalisation? are we moving back to more localised economies? would that be such a bad thing? who knows.

I will reserve judgement on Trump, far too early to tell, but one thing I was certain of, is that we were heading for another crash, even if Trump had never existed. I actually think were in the crash now, its just the Global Capitalists are doing a great job of hiding it from the majority of people who struggle to tell you what day it is, never mind knowing what is going on politically, both in the UK and further afield.

Well put horden.

A war’s always a nice distraction for some politicians….. who have problems at home.

We certainly live in interesting times......and I agree that capitalism is definitely in a crisis. AI will make that worse if people are not looked after properly and that's unlikely due to the greed of the Worlds elites.

It has been said many times stocks are overpriced, maybe they are finding their true level now ?

As you say, rather than doing what they’re supposed to at home, they plate the Statesman and look for passing fame…or should it be notoriety.
Like Horden said, we haven’t had a proper government since 1979.

What’s this obsession with the Stock Market, unless you’re loaded you just become a victim…….and learn to swim with the tide.

Because everything in the world is controlled by the stock markets down to your savings accounts, banks invest money in the stock markets to pay the interest. Pensions are invested in the stock markets, it goes down so does your pension, where was private pensions contributions invested in Snowy ?

As long as they keep paying out I don’t give a dog’s bollocks because I have no control over them….just like you.

From what I know your pensions have matured Snowy, the value won’t go up or down apart from what the HMRC take from you,so unless your pension provider collapse they will still keep paying out.

Ah, I also have a French pension ……vive la france.

If a pension is defined benefit then stock markets won't affect them.
If it's an annuity, again it's guaranteed.
If it's in drawdown then the overall "pot" will go up and down but your monthly amount will likely be unaffected.
No idea what a "matured pension" is.
Everything will settle down again and markets and pension funds will recover, so it's not worth losing sleep over in the short term.

Whenever there's a bounce impact that always has an impact on certain sections of society. If a pension fund collapses protections are in p!ace but you don't get the same amount t you expected. Many companies also have bank covenants linked to stock prices and company valuations which can trigger massive issues. Let's hope it corrects soon or there will be a massive downturn.it doesn't take much to give it up.

He was against putting money into a Cash ISA's the other week and telling us to invest.Make your mind up Jamie.

Don’t forget that Jamie is not human, but Thai Artificial Intelligence with an Earth fault.

With Trumps massive U Turn anyone who bought shares will have cleaned up, was it a ploy by Trump, collapse the markets let his billionaire mates sweep up the cheap stock and now have added to their billions.

You’ll find the neo liberal globalists are the experts at that, but you hang on to your your magnificent obsession with the Trump you secretly admire.
Funny you never got bothered by Biden the puppet…yet try to play the middle of the road line……badly….very badly.

Are you getting it yet Jamie, they're playing their games and we're just extras in the grand scheme. Some things never change.

Nothing will change on the bunker regarding Trump though no matter what he does or doesn't do. Its 100% guaranteed he will always be wrong always be a war monger and will always be hated. Funny thing is by far the largest percentage of bunkerites who do discuss Trump like and understand the bloke. Maybe the biggest percentage are totally thick / short sighted and dump gullible idiots.

Well I think Trump is a narcissistic mental rapist lunatic misogynistic kunt.

Anyone going to prove that he's not??

Oh dear