Nobody is saying that there aren't nasties among the whites, far from it. We waged two world wars against a predominately white country.
It is becoming increasingly obvious to more and more people that an agenda to turn the Western World over to Islam as soon as possible is present and that, if it came to it's logical conclusion, could and probably would mean Sharia law.
It is an obvious concern verging on fear which is becoming more apparent by the day.
This agenda will never be publicly recognised by the powers that be within the muslim world, nor will it be recognised by certain sections of the Western World who try and dismiss the fears of ordinary people by pulling out their racism cards.
The evidence is growing as is the list of atrocities being committed.
Nearer home raising this issue on this forum was looked at closely and after deliberation was allowed to stand. It is an ever increasing subject for discussion and , no matter how prickly some people find it, it needs to be brought out into the open. The big question is can we afford to just sweep it under the carpet.
This approach is not normalising racism but rather it is prompting civilised debate, or that's how it should be perceived.
It is right and proper that members should be free to challenge the views and opinions of each other but not in an abusive manner and if somebody screams for the moderators to intervene then that's fine but bear in mind that the decision of the moderation panel may not be the one you are looking for. That is not a signal for the moderators to be abused, intimidated or called names like racist.

Of course there are British criminals, lots of them but they tend not to try to kill as many innocents as possible in one evil attack like the Manchester Arena bombing, the London Tube bombing, the Westmister bridge bombing, the failed Liverpool Maternity hospital bombing. I know we are not allowed to mention what happened in that town near Liverpool but again the attempt was to kill as many young girls as possible. I mean, you can understand why some people are not 100% enamouredby the followers of islam.

To be critical of a religion, Islam in this case, is not racist any more than it would be racist to be critical of Catholics or indeed any other religion. I notice Mutley has swerved this important point.

unlike countries religions have no boundaries. we can all convert to islam if we wish as they can do the same but with more serious consequences in their community if they did. for me ali akhbar isn,t called a paki anymore but a muslim once its been found out where his birthplace actually is, and the word muslim is not meant to be plus side to him.

They can’t do the same. It’s forbidden in their book with the punishment being death. It’s called becoming apostate.

Mr I has it spot on and I am one that supports his views 100%.

Mutley have a good read of this:

https://christianconcern.com/resource/t ... in-the-uk/

It encapsulates what Mr I has stated and myself.

You should be afraid, very afraid.

You are either a follower of Islam (very doubtful) or someone that likes to wind people up (which has failed miserably by the way).

Surely you don't want England to have many cities and towns where the white man has no say and Islam rules with their barbaric laws and teachings?

And you should shudder when you read this:

“Our brothers and sisters, if you go outside you think that you are in a second Afghanistan, but you are in Londonistan."

If you look back on the thread I didn't swerve it but here you go by someone who has put it more eloquently than I ever could...

Islamophobia refers to the fear of and hostility toward Muslims and Islam that is driven by racism and that leads to exclusionary, discriminatory, and violent actions targeting Muslims and those perceived as Muslim.

Religion v Religion...no thanks Stocksfield....I've already stated what my stance is on all religions

There is no specific law prohibiting Islamophobia.

Mutley, have a read of the link I kindly provided, it presents FACTS!!!!

- In 2019, Muslims parents withdrew their children from Parkfield Community School in Birmingham protesting lessons promoting homosexuality and gender equality.[38] An estimated 600 pupils were withdrawn or 80% of the school enrolment. The school is 98% Muslim. In 2023, over 300 Muslim children were kept out of a school in Manchester for three days in protest about “age inappropriate sex education teaching.”[39] 200 parents wrote to the school to voice their complaints.

In 2021, a teacher at Batley Grammar School decided to teach a lesson about blasphemy and free speech. He illustrated the lesson by showing a cartoon of Muhammad.[41] Crowds gathered outside the school to protest, forcing the school to shut for two days in a row. The teacher was subsequently suspended and was forced to go into hiding for his own safety. He remains in hiding to this day. This is certainly the most effective lesson he ever taught. The whole school and the rest of the country learned that we do not have free speech when it comes to Islam. There is a de-facto Islamic blasphemy law in place.

What is your take on those 2 examples?

Absolutely disgusting and should not be happening here.

Thankyou Mutley, so do you agree that Islam is bad for the UK?

And anyone opposing Islam should NOT be labelled a racist?

All religions are bad in my book.

Mutley I will repeat my question:

Is Islam bad for the UK?

YES or NO

Id like to think that nobody on the Bunker would be sad/sick enough to go down that route.

That's the lowest of the low.

Pro English n Racism sometimes gets rolled out as the same thing.

2 completely different variations.

And I have seen the worst of Islam when I worked in Saudia Arabia.
Including being rounded up and pushed to the front of a baying crowd and forced to watch a beheading.
I do not want to see this in my country, Islamic law, hence my strong views on the subject.

All religions are bad....very bad.

Whoever the "someone is" they are a lackwit. Hostility to Moslems is not driven by racism. It is perfctly possible to be opposed to the all pervading influence of Islam without being racist. One might encounter a group of people from the Indian subcontinent some of them will be Moslems, others Hindu. How would one know who were the Moslems and who were the Hindus? Some African people are Moslems while others could be any number of religions so how can you tell the difference in order to be racist against the Muslims? I mean you might accidently be racist against a person who isnt Moslem if you are not careful.

I will say yet again. To dislike the Moslem faith is to dislike a system of religious/spiritual beliefs containing social attitudes hostile to western European values and leading to behaviour which culminates in the deaths of innocent people. It is NOT a dislike of a race.

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Really? Are they all the same? I mean I dont have a total understanding of all religion but I know a few of them have love, forgiveness and acceptance as central precepts. There is however, a religion that does not have these as central precepts. Indeed, jihad is a central premise and its sacred leader was a war lord. I dont believe all religions are the same.

Ozzy fully agree, Mutley still won't answer my question!

All religions are bad because it is all made up bollox and it is used to control and brainwash people. That is my opinion and I was brought up catholic.

I have answered your question....twice.

And anyone opposing Islam should NOT be labelled a racist?

No they shouldn't be labeled a racist for opposing Islam....I've just done it myself in the above posts so I agree with you.

But when someone says....

All Muslims should be removed from the UK, every single one of them!

That is racist.

I think it depends on what you mean by pro English and what you define English people as?

I thought we were getting somewhere but now this. FFS. I guess " there is no arguing with stupid", as someone said.

Even Dick McThick from Thickyland can see that that is racist.

That made me laugh out loud.

In my lifetime i’ve had two Asian girlfriends. One Sikh and one Hindu. Both of them and their families despise Islam and everything it stands for. They have no issues with Jews, Buddhism or Christianity just Islam. their reason is that they believe through evidence that Islam is thoroughly evil. I agree wholeheartedly but given that they are both asian and detest Islam, are they racist too?

No because they despise a religion. I would bet that they didn't hate all muslims though.

No, because as you know, only white people can be racist.

NO IT IS NOT, BECAUSE ISLAM IS A RELIGION NOT A RACE.

Suppose someone argued that all child molesters should be removed from the UK. Every single one of them. Would that be racist?
Dont ask your mate Dick McThick because he is misleading you.

I'll bet you a pound to a penny that I have never said anything like that on The Bunker in over 18 years Oddie.

Dev’s mum (Hindu) once told me that she would disown her daughter if she had anything to do with muslims or niggers.

You should read up on the partition of India.

Fucking hell Oddie that is THICK....even for you!!!!!!!

Stocksfield said....

All Muslims should be removed from the UK, every single one of them!

Muslims NOT Islam.

Muslims = People

Islam = Religion

You thick bastard!!!

That's a bit racist.

I'll bet you a pound to a penny that I have never said anything like that on The Bunker in over 18 years Oddie.

And no need to SHOUT Dicky!!!!

Only a matter of time, Mutley. Only a matter of time.

Kin'ell....this could become a 10 pager.

Eh??? How's that then Dicky??

By the way,

I’ve got a few handy Arabic phrases translated to English if anyone’s interested. Just in case you're ever kidnapped by terrorists.

or there was the muslim who recently requested that naked statues be covered up while visiting Rome. Apparently his 9 year old wife found them offensive.

You follow balloons dont you?

No Dicky I don't but you still point at Aeroplanes.

Howay Dicky....I was expecting a comeback to this. Don't let me down Dicky but please dont SHOUT.

Great Friday night entertainment. Got me pop corn and sweets just need a few bevvies now. Comedy gold at its best.

I also feel shunned as I asked how the removal of all Muslims from the UK would work but haven’t heard back yet.
Say I had a son who has a Muslim girlfriend, who is born and raised in the UK by her mum, who was also born and raised in the UK but the dad is from Dubai. Which of them are getting removed? All, some or none?