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Oh dear.
Remind me how many people were in the twin towers, or brutally murdered by Isis or kidnapped by Hamas.
Then there's the grooming gangs in Rotherham.
Oh and as you appear not to be keen on lumping us all together, does that mean you want to keep us separate.
Finally you've admitted what I suspected, it's you who is the racist. You are racist against your own people. You don't want integration or lumping together as you call it.
On a point of order I don't try to set fire to buildings and I dare bet nor does anybody else on here. I don't try to blow up theatres or arenas filled with youngsters. I have never rioted either. So my category of being a law abiding citizen without a blemish on my record is not worth being lumped in with.
Please yourself.
You obviously prefer to be associated with illegal invaders, murderers, kidnappers, thieves, terrorists etc etc etc.
No don't lump me into your group either.

About £30.

What about, what about, what about, what about...
You can wheel out things terrorist organisations carried out (the 3 things you've named) but they don't represent the views of the majority of muslims do they?
What about all the white nonces in this country? Or the Catholic church in Ireland? It works both ways.
This part was very revealing 'You obviously prefer to be associated with illegal invaders, murderers, kidnappers, thieves, terrorists etc etc etc.' as to who the racist is. Interesting to bring up lots of crimes alongside your previous mentioning of muslims.

How much is £30

Breaking the law is breaking the law.
Religion skin colour etc is no excuse.
Who created this 2 tier carry on.!?

Maybe there's a fair few Muslims on the Bunker.
Not a problem as long as they don't use it to dictate preach or takeover.

Expecting a bid of word twister like.
Nee botha.

3000 pence

A weeks wages…in five years time.

there are good, bad and those a bit of both in all communities. biggest problem now is we are having to take sides on issues and cannot just sit in the middle watching. more or less we are happier amongst our own lot in the same way they are as well. worst thing is trying to force people to integrate when many have different views and lifestyles. put 20 of us in a room with 20 muslims, hindu,s and the rest they,ll sit in one part of that room and we,ll be in another. something that happened for years on end in canteens i have been in but if asked to do that everyone would be up in arms.

And not all “white nonces” (oh dear) try to burn down WM clubs either. So if in your opinion we have white nonces, do we have black nonces and Muslim nonces???

Yes, that's the whole point. You can cherry pick all you want but there are bad people in every race, every religion, every country and every individual part of every country. Muslims have been vilified in this country for the actions of a small militant part of their religion. Most are very decent genuine people but are lumped in with 'illegal invaders, murderers, kidnappers, thieves, terrorists etc etc etc.' as you have stated above.

Everyone will integrate eventually, it’s unavoidable, you absorb the host culture without even knowing it.
The chewy part is the transition.

I totally agree there are good eggs and bad eggs in every category, never disagreed with that fact. As I've said ad nauseam I treat them all with the same consideration and respect but the fact still remains that the term racist is hurled at whites and very rarely at niggers or Muslims. Racism doesn't start and end at our shores it is prevalent the World over.
The racist card is overwhelmingly used against whites but when did you last hear of any ethnic minorities being referred to as racist. How many niggers or Muslims do you know of have been prosecuted for racist remarks or actions.
People in this country are suffering in their droves due to the NHS being unable to cope but illegal invaders are getting treatment free, whilst people who have been contributing to the economy for years have to wait or go private.
Highlighting things like that are not signs of racism.
It is blatant common sense to say that this country has not got the required infrastructure to cope with the continuous invasion of tens of thousands of people who think it is their right to come here and be looked after.
You can't put two pints in a pint pot. It is spilling over and there is not going to be a happy solution for any of us.

What kind of remarks against white people would you say are racist? Has there been any reported cases where the remarks have been used?
The NHS is unable to cope because of chronic underfunding and aging infrastructure, alongside Doctors being more valued pretty much anywhere else in the world. 'Illegal invaders' (whatever those are) are not the cause of someone not being able to see a Doctor.
You've again changed the point though to fit in with your anti-asylum seekers narrative though.

It was that lovely lady Suella Braverman who first called the people crossing the Channel 'Invaders'.
She was also the one who said the following...

"I would love to have a front page of The Telegraph with a plane taking off to Rwanda, that’s my dream, it’s my obsession."

Like I said...lovely lovely lady!!!

Australia flies them off to some far off island for processing and guess what? It has significantly reduced the number of illegal immigrants.
If I was in a war torn cou try in fear of my life I'd be claiming asylum in the first safe country I could get to. I wouldn't be saying mmm nice but not nice enough I need to get to the UK before I claim. Most of these illegal arrivals are not true asylum seekers, they are economic migrants with 1 objective and that's to get something for nothing from a country they've never contributed to and never will.

How many would you allow in?

Do you need to ask?

Until you have an effective asylum process, the boats won't stop. As for why they come here rather than Italy, Greece, Germany, France, you can thank our very successful colonial past, the result of which is that the majority of the world can speak and understand some English.

Once we get an effective immigration process, then we may find the doctors, nurses, carers we need for our crumbling NHS. Let's be honest, without immigrants the situation would be a whole lot worse. All dependant of course on the Government having the cojones to tackle an institution which is no longer fit for purpose. Unlikely though, as the unions will never allow the actions needed to reform it effectively.

As for Derwent, I'm not racist. I don't have "my own people". That's half the problem. You say for you everyone's the same, but in the same breath accuse me of being racist against "my own people". You shouldn't have "your own people" if you truly believe the guff you are stating. Is a 40 year old Muslim, born in Britain, one of "My Own People"? Are the families of the Windrush generation "My Own People"? What exactly are the characteristics?

The vast majority of people speak some English, but that includes France.
They don't come here because of our rich culture and language, they come to get as much as they can for as little as they can.
If they Dr's and nurses they could legitimately apply to come and work here on a visa.

Touche

I've simply moved the conversation along. One only knocks one's head against a brick wall for so long until one realises one's wasting one's time trying to penetrate that which won't be penetrated. It is not my job to educate you but because of the nice chap that I am, I am willing to try but only for so long.
Example if you like. I'm trying to converse with someone who doesn't know that people entering this country without invitation are doing so illegally, in their thousands. It is quite feasible for someone who invades illegally to be described as an illegal invader. Someone who drives badly gets called a bad driver, so why shouldn't some one who invades illegally be called an illegal invader. If you can come up with a description that fits the bill better then fine but leave asylum seeker out of it as they are not in any danger in France or any other country in Europe that they may have travelled through There is a process of applying to come and live here and decent law abiding people follow that process.
As for your statement that Doctors are more valued pretty much anywhere else in the world, you'll have to explain that one. The NHS has been blessed, and still is, with people from all over the World who have come here to work and they are very welcome, whatever their background or religion. I think it is safe to say that the vast majority didn't enter the country illegally in a rubber dinghy, or do you know different.

They’re coming here illegally because there’s no way on God’s Earth they’d get here legally.
The Dinghies ain’t cheap either unless of course you’re coming over to order to work in the alternative economy…. As for our colonial past, most of those turning up on the dinghies won’t have a clue about it…same as 99.99% of people in this country never profited from it…I don’t have any responsibility for the actions of some long dead toff who probably treat my ancestors little better than serfs, and I ain’t picking the bill up for it…not my problem.

My own people are British ( and include your 40 year old muslim), who abide by the laws of our country and have the same values as me, regardless of their colour, race or creed. People who are prepared to do their bit, contribute to society, believe in fair play and the work ethic and don't expect to be molly coddled and carried but are prepared to contribute as best they can.
I know a lot of people of different races , creed and colour and yes if they follow the same values as me, then they are my people or my kind of people as the saying goes.
I don't subscribe to your suggestion that I shouldn't have my people because, like everybody else, I know who I like to associate with and who I don't.

I don't know how you have the gall to use your opening line when you ignore 90% of my points and questions and are unwilling to look at any viewpoint but your own prejudiced view.
Yes some of the people come here illegal and are therefore illegal immigrants - not invaders, they aren't the vikings - but a lot do so to claim asylum because there are no routes to do so and, as Herr Flick mentions, they would rather be in a country they might have family in or that they can speak the language of.
Doctors are more valued in most other countries in the fact that they can earn double/triple/quadruple the amount they earn here. Thousands of doctors leave the UK to go to countries like Australia, the USA or other European countries for a better salary as well as better working conditions. I've never mentioned your last point so slightly baffled where that's come from?

What would you call a person who illegally invades somewhere without first asking permission to do so, Mutters.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't one of these illegal invaders attack one of your fellow citizens in the noble metropolis where you live.

Ah I see a chink of light. "some of them are illegal" you say. They're all in the same boats (no pun intended) are they not, so if some in the boats are illegal, what are the others..........ambassadors to his Majesty's government.
On the doctors you said "pretty much anywhere else in the World" That's a bit more than the examples you now give.
Put the shovel away laddie before you are unable to get yerself out of the hole. However help is at hand should that scenario occur because. as we speak my man is saddling my white horse so all is not lost.
I think you also insult the Vikings. Those Norsemen made no secret of the reason why they invaded, these sneaky buggers are disguised as asylum seekers but they both have the same intent, to get as much benefit from their respective invasions as the could.

Ask the citizens of the towns and cities where these criminals have ended up whether they feel invaded or not.

Anyone would think you loved these invaders................Ah invasion lovers........I wonder.

When I was 16 yrs old my take home for working shifts was £29

Interesting how we got here from you being unable to answer what anti-white racism there is.
As I've said in my post if you read, they are asylum seekers, those we get deported due to a failed asylum claim are your 'illegal invaders' as you call them.
I can give more examples for countries who value doctors more than us? Spoilers it's pretty much every developed nation you can think of...
I'm not in a hole as you put it. I'm merely hitting my head constantly on a brick wall, but the wall (goalposts) keep moving very rapidly (from post to post).

We shouldn't be nicking anyone else's medics and leaving them short. And if they have so many Drs and nurses that they CAN afford to lose them, clearly their training pipeline is something we should be copying to produce our own.

There should be safe ways to come to the UK to claim assylum. Then clearly anyone on the boats doesn't fancy their chances as they are not genuine or has prev been refused.

Asylum seeking is fleeing danger, what danger are these illegal invaders under that makes them want to leave France.

Message for Mr Krampesh.
You wanted an example of racism against whites.
A group of Muslim men groomed dozens of teenage girls in Rotherham. Raping them and passing them over to their friends for their enjoyment. All the targets were white. Is that racism?????

You're embarrassing yourself derwent. Look up the definition of racism and get back to me with what you think the answer is. Clue: The answer begins with N

Ah that tells me everything.

In that it's a horrific crime where the perpetrators deserve to never get out of jail but it's not racism?

Culturally, young muslim girls do not hang around town centres and are not heavily into Drink and drugs. The grooming gang took advantage of the most vulnerable section of society easily available to them. Girls whose communities, and the authorities, didn't give a stuff about until forced to confront what was happening. Evil and degraded crimes, absolutely, racist crimes - no.

White honkey!!!!!!!!

It's a two-way thing for sure.
But only whites get lambasted for it despite the horrendous crimes above committed.
A subject which brings wordtwistery to a new level.
The Internet just ignites trouble on this subject.

The pointless way in which this thread is being twisted over and over again tells me it's time this thread was ended. Better to close it now and avoid any overreacting reply that could get someone into trouble.

If I had to escape the UK tp another country I would latch onto anything familiar I could, if I could speak the lingo, all the better, if I knew people already there, better still.

It's got differing opinions in it. Most people are expressing them just fine.

But that could be difficult to judge considering we don't totally understand the new barriers of the law.

They don’t hang around anywhere because their parental control is so tight.
Would they like to go out and ‘hang around’….we’ll never know.
It’s a cultural thing.

If it was white grooming gangs doing it all muslim teenage girls would that be racism????

Nah I'll never be embarrassed by attacking scum who prey on young white teenage girls. I live in the area and know the misery it has caused to families. I wish you were having this conversation with those dads. uncles and brothers.

….Also no?? Read what I’ve written above in regards to your point about it. It’s not a racism thing it’s a horrible crime?


This has no relevance to any of our conversation. I have empathy for those families but like we’ve both said above there are bad people in all cultures.

It's not upto me.

No it wouldn't be racism.
It would be a horrible and vile crime.

If they targeted only white girls, or if it had been only Muslim girls then of course there's a racial element to the crime. It doesn't need to be singularly evil or singularly racial, if it was only white girls then it's evil and racial.

just imagine for a second the boot was on the other foot and it was white lads doing the same to their lasses. that would have made the recent riots look like a kiddies party.

and why do they destroy documents and phones before they get here if they had nothing to hide. doubt doctors, nurses and anyone else who would benefit this country would do that. the ones we do want would be arriving by legal means like all previous ones did from the windrush generation onwards.