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 Post subject: Re: Woking v Pools predictions
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:00 pm 
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The ‘new manager comes in every thing works’ has been rampant on the board for a few weeks, but it never works like that, it takes time to build a team and the trouble is that most fans of all clubs were born without the ‘patience’ gene.


Were still miles away from being a decent team in this league, its going to take a long time to put things right. Im not sure it was the result yesterday thatsdissapointed fans, i think it was more to do with a totally dreadful last 60 mins or so. It was a huge step back.

Luckily we appear to have sorted the defence to a certain extent or we would of lost that earlier in the season.


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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
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The ‘new manager comes in every thing works’ has been rampant on the board for a few weeks, but it never works like that, it takes time to build a team and the trouble is that most fans of all clubs were born without the ‘patience’ gene.


Were still miles away from being a decent team in this league, its going to take a long time to put things right. Im not sure it was the result yesterday thatsdissapointed fans, i think it was more to do with a totally dreadful last 60 mins or so. It was a huge step back.

Luckily we appear to have sorted the defence to a certain extent or we would have lost that earlier in the season.

Not yet, but there’s the makings of a decent team…. I wasn’t expecting anything yet, so I really don’t see a problem…a bit like super tankers, you don’t turn em round with a flick of the wheel.

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It all depends from which perspective you look at it. You could shut yourself off from the years of shite and neglect the club has had to put up with for years now, culminating in last seasons disaster, continuing into this one. In which case this is a good point.

Or... you could have all of that in the fore front of your mind and realise that its a single point.... at fucking Woking. How far have we fallen?

The former perspective will be better for the mental health, the latter is much more accurate but ... the heartache!


My perspective is that if I’m going to continue to invest part of my time and energy in following HUFC, the focus has to be on what’s happening on the pitch - this week and next week.

Part of me will never get over being minutes away from a season in the Championship. I knew from the final whistle in that game that it was likely as good as it would ever get for Pools fans. Didn’t we all? If I was going to jack it all in and find a new hobby, should have done it then.


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Snowy wrote:
billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
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The ‘new manager comes in every thing works’ has been rampant on the board for a few weeks, but it never works like that, it takes time to build a team and the trouble is that most fans of all clubs were born without the ‘patience’ gene.


Were still miles away from being a decent team in this league, its going to take a long time to put things right. Im not sure it was the result yesterday thatsdissapointed fans, i think it was more to do with a totally dreadful last 60 mins or so. It was a huge step back.

Luckily we appear to have sorted the defence to a certain extent or we would have lost that earlier in the season.

Not yet, but there’s the makings of a decent team…. I wasn’t expecting anything yet, so I really don’t see a problem…a bit like super tankers, you don’t turn em round with a flick of the wheel.


Not expecting play offs but after the away win at 2nd top Bromley when by all accpounts we played well, I was expecting exactly the same 11 players with a full week to prepare to play a hell of lot better than they managed. Why were they so poor? Obviously Pools are inconsistent with us fans never knowing which pools will turn up regardless of those actually playing. Did the entire midfield have an off day? Were they instructed not to compete for the ball and defend from the edge of their own area and concede the rest of the pitch to the home side? Beats me.


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We're as good as any team and better th
an most in this division on a good day, not enough good days is the problem.
Think we all know how important this summer will be with the chance to clear out a lot of deadwood and build a squad to make real challenge next season.


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We need a new midfield approach, none of our lot are bad players on their own at this level but we haven’t got a. Coherent way of putting them together.

I think Phillips gets we need more athletes but let’s see, I like Parkes and waterfall but there is also an argument if our budget is limited maybe we only need one of them
And the money spending in the middle ?


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We need a new midfield approach, none of our lot are bad players on their own at this level but we haven’t got a. Coherent way of putting them together.

I think Phillips gets we need more athletes but let’s see, I like Parkes and waterfall but there is also an argument if our budget is limited maybe we only need one of them
And the money spending in the middle ?


If we can't afford Parkes AND waterfall tgen we are truly fubar'd.


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loyal_fan wrote:
We need a new midfield approach, none of our lot are bad players on their own at this level but we haven’t got a. Coherent way of putting them together.

I think Phillips gets we need more athletes but let’s see, I like Parkes and waterfall but there is also an argument if our budget is limited maybe we only need one of them
And the money spending in the middle ?


If we can't afford Parkes AND waterfall tgen we are truly fubar'd.



Take no notice…it’s not like KP is gonna call Parkrkes and Waterfall into the office and say….
“Look lads, I was reading the Bunker and it was mentioned that maybe I should have only signed one of you. It appears that some, er, ‘supporters’ think you come from Amazon on 28 days approval and I can do the old Mojo Swop Top with one of you and put a talented, dynamic, charismatic midfielder in the basket and order one in exchange….. :roll: oh dear.
He left his address, pop round and have a word…explain to him the error of his ways”.

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KP has said more than once he’s got the go ahead to sign another player - you’d imagine a box to box midfielder with more pace than any of our current 4 (including Wallace) would be top of the list. Here’s hoping Joe Monks can find one who wants to come.


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Flying Hogans wrote:
KP has said more than once he’s got the go ahead to sign another player - you’d imagine a box to box midfielder with more pace than any of our current 4 (including Wallace) would be top of the list. Here’s hoping Joe Monks can find one who wants to come.



Build a squad with potential and they will want to come.
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Snowy wrote:
Pooly_Imp wrote:
loyal_fan wrote:
We need a new midfield approach, none of our lot are bad players on their own at this level but we haven’t got a. Coherent way of putting them together.

I think Phillips gets we need more athletes but let’s see, I like Parkes and waterfall but there is also an argument if our budget is limited maybe we only need one of them
And the money spending in the middle ?


If we can't afford Parkes AND waterfall tgen we are truly fubar'd.



Take no notice…it’s not like KP is gonna call Parkrkes and Waterfall into the office and say….
“Look lads, I was reading the Bunker and it was mentioned that maybe I should have only signed one of you. It appears that some, er, ‘supporters’ think you come from Amazon on 28 days approval and I can do the old Mojo Swop Top with one of you and put a talented, dynamic, charismatic midfielder in the basket and order one in exchange….. :roll: oh dear.
He left his address, pop round and have a word…explain to him the error of his ways”.


They are both good players at this level---if I had the choice of keeping them both or keeping one and an equivalently good player in midfield I woudl pick the latter--not a dig at either of them


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I watched the highlights, the ball was a foot over the line from Crawfords header.


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The disallowed goal, Joe Grey 2nd chance, Senior through on goal and fluffed it, we should have put the gamevto bed in the first half. A second goal would have finished them off.
Let's see if we can put a couple of consecutive home wins together now.


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PTID wrote:
The disallowed goal, Joe Grey 2nd chance, Senior through on goal and fluffed it, we should have put the gamevto bed in the first half. A second goal would have finished them off.
Let's see if we can put a couple of consecutive home wins together now.


Like said last week it's been a 12 year conundrum.
Just pisses ya off when we don't win the 1st game.
Season wrote off now. Surely KP is doing next seasons recruitment homework long before the dross goes.
IE lining available players up now behind the scenes.
Hope n opinions count for nothing really.
Horrible headbusting drug being a Poolie. sctatchinghead


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Horrible headbusting drug being a Poolie. sctatchinghead

On reflection, it is, but only if you take it seriously.
Because no one dies, only injuries are ego related and looking back, outside in the big world things have brought tears to my eyes, but in comparison, Pools is a gentle comedy that sometimes makes you frown, it’s a life lesson that teaches you that you had the character to support a team like Pools just like all the other clubs fans at a lower level and didn’t clamber aboard the Premiership bandwagon on the wide screen.
Now that would be unforgivable. :wink:

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Part of me will never get over being minutes away from a season in the Championship. I knew from the final whistle in that game that it was likely as good as it would ever get for Pools fans. Didn’t we all? If I was going to jack it all in and find a new hobby, should have done it then.

pointless looking back to the good days as they have nothing to do with our present situation. those others like wrexham and stockport who were regulars in division 4 are laughing now but in 15 years time we might be laughing at them. every lower league team has their day but it rarely lasts that long, donny rovers are a good example. championship club about 10 years back but now only two shit teams are keeping them off our fixture list next season.


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Standard Pools really - give you the false hope that we finally have an 11 who can push on then go and do something crap like that.

It wasnt just the result, it was everything in the game, just wasnt our day. Disallowed goals, missed chances. Mistakes etc etc...

we should of put the game to bed in the first half but unfortunately we just couldnt get the ball in the right area. We looked poor in the final 3rd all game tbh. Senior is an absolute passenger but then again this is why we end up with these type of players from higher up. He wont be playing higher up the divisions for much longer.

Feaths had a really good game, but we are crying out for someone to get in there and do the dirty work. Crawford doesnt offer enough either, loves the silly outside of the foot 25 yard pass which gifted their player the ball. Doesnt tackle and just follows shadows about so so frustrating when you are winning the game and just need that one player to make something happen or defend with his heart !

I wasnt ever under the delusion that we would be serious in pushing for a promotion spot - like others have said we are just not good enough. I think with Dodds back and Mancini fully fit (plus an actual decent striker partner for Mani D). Then yes. But for now we are still just a patchy quilt with holes in it. The constant signing of half decent or not so decent loan players has kicked us in the balls big style this season. Again like others have mentioned, signing 5 you may be lucky to get 2/3 good ones.

Just have to hope Khan and Mancini can come back into the side and we take the game to the opposition in the next 2 home games.

Not been critical of KP but i think he could of maybe changed the formation and players a little earlier on Saturday too as we could see from the first 10 mins into the 2nd half we didnt have anything and where under the cosh !


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Standard Pools really - give you the false hope that we finally have an 11 who can push on then go and do something crap like that.

It wasnt just the result, it was everything in the game, just wasnt our day. Disallowed goals, missed chances. Mistakes etc etc...

we should of put the game to bed in the first half but unfortunately we just couldnt get the ball in the right area. We looked poor in the final 3rd all game tbh. Senior is an absolute passenger but then again this is why we end up with these type of players from higher up. He wont be playing higher up the divisions for much longer.

Feaths had a really good game, but we are crying out for someone to get in there and do the dirty work. Crawford doesnt offer enough either, loves the silly outside of the foot 25 yard pass which gifted their player the ball. Doesnt tackle and just follows shadows about so so frustrating when you are winning the game and just need that one player to make something happen or defend with his heart !

I wasnt ever under the delusion that we would be serious in pushing for a promotion spot - like others have said we are just not good enough. I think with Dodds back and Mancini fully fit (plus an actual decent striker partner for Mani D). Then yes. But for now we are still just a patchy quilt with holes in it. The constant signing of half decent or not so decent loan players has kicked us in the balls big style this season. Again like others have mentioned, signing 5 you may be lucky to get 2/3 good ones.

Just have to hope Khan and Mancini can come back into the side and we take the game to the opposition in the next 2 home games.

Not been critical of KP but i think he could of maybe changed the formation and players a little earlier on Saturday too as we could see from the first 10 mins into the 2nd half we didnt have anything and where under the cosh !


Agree 100%. We were just hanging on for the entire second half. To be fair he didnt have much on the bench after he hooked Senior. Would Wallace have helped give us more of a presence in midfield? As you say maybe a formation change could haver helped though I gather it is difficult to change formation while the game is being played as opposed to at half time.


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Draw was a fair result given Woking's effort in the 2nd half and Pools complete plan to sit in and hope that Woking's balls into the box would continue to be rubbish.

On the Joe Grey pass losing possession for their goal, he doesn't play that pass without Featherstone bombing out looking for a breakaway. We hadn't tried that all second half so why try it in the last few minutes? Seemed naïve on the part of Featherstone, I mean he was never going to carry it upfield even if Joe had found him. Watch it again, Nicky's movement makes Joe's mind up. If Joe clears wallops that upfield 3 points would have been coming home.


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Yeh its massively frustrating once again that our bench has really no Plan B and no main impact player. I know at this level all the best players are on the field usually but even we can afford a luxury player. I thought Dickenson did a good job of trying to disrupt some tempo and rhythm for Woking but without the ball to his feet and balls to run onto again hes very ineffective. I know hes a talented player and i think we would see better of him should he start the game in his natural position ! Lets just hope he has the fitness !
Hopefully we see this CM come in this week or at least another CM to push Crawford out the team and keep the rest of them on their toes.
Although having too many of the same players wont work i wouldnt mind seeing another attack minded CM in our Midfield. Mancini Cooke and another willing to get forwards and shoot goes along way at this level and especially playing the teams we have left to play!


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Draw was a fair result given Woking's effort in the 2nd half and Pools complete plan to sit in and hope that Woking's balls into the box would continue to be rubbish.

On the Joe Grey pass losing possession for their goal, he doesn't play that pass without Featherstone bombing out looking for a breakaway. We hadn't tried that all second half so why try it in the last few minutes? Seemed naïve on the part of Featherstone, I mean he was never going to carry it upfield even if Joe had found him. Watch it again, Nicky's movement makes Joe's mind up. If Joe clears wallops that upfield 3 points would have been coming home.


Presumably Feaths thought he could work the ball upfield, buy a foul and really relieve the pressure rather than an aimless boot upfield. It’s an odd line of reasoning anyway - may as well ask why Dixon only parried the first shot straight back to the striker or why one of the defenders didn’t get a foot in.


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To attach some blame on Featherstone for their goal is really ‘ bizarr’. Joe dropped a clanger full stop.


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Got to agree, Fev ran into space Joe had 2 options launch it or try to thread the ball between 2 attackers to Fev. He chose the wrong option and it set up their chance, 100% blame goes to Joe.
Having said that sitting deep for almost the last hour was a huge mistake, as was not taking our chances 1st half.


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Mistakes happen, just that the ones that lose you points stick in your memory that bit longer.


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Since every team copied Man City with 'play it out from the back', the benefits of a big hoof to the halfway line seem to have been forgotten! It gives the defence time to get back into their set positions and when defenders are correctly positioned, conceding is unlikely.

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Mistakes happen, just that the ones that lose you points stick in your memory that bit longer.

Just a touch longer …..then gets lost in the card index system under disappointments or even bitter disappointments.

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Well we must be making progress if we devastated :lol: to not win now.

Various reasons for not taking the 3 points.
Don't think J. GREY should be singled out like.
Apart from Chesterfield I rate it the worst Vanarama standard we been in.

See the hope for next season has been restored. UTP. :clap:


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Since every team copied Man City with 'play it out from the back', the benefits of a big hoof to the halfway line seem to have been forgotten! It gives the defence time to get back into their set positions and when defenders are correctly positioned, conceding is unlikely.

totally agree. have always said nobody has ever scored when the ball is on clarence road. by all accounts grimsby lost their game on saturday by insisting on playing from the back with 2 of the 3 goals conceeded coming from doing that.


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Going to be a really tough league next season, Make no mistake.


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Depends if Sutton can get out of the way and Colchester move in there. Doesnt look likely just now but 2 more far south teams to add to our roster. Forest Green are rubbish and have lost just about all their decent players that got them there in the first place. Unless their owner throws some serious cash at them and they do a Wrexham then i cant see them making the division any harder than it is now given we are about to loose a Chesterfield and either a Bromley or Barnet (Alty the way things are going) ? who knows.
Sutton now have a real pitch and no doubt this has troubled them this season - plus not really adding to their side, same way really as what we did tbh. Didnt recruit the right player for that division - its a tough place to play these days as we know.


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Depends if Sutton can get out of the way and Colchester move in there. Doesnt look likely just now but 2 more far south teams to add to our roster. Forest Green are rubbish and have lost just about all their decent players that got them there in the first place. Unless their owner throws some serious cash at them and they do a Wrexham then i cant see them making the division any harder than it is now given we are about to loose a Chesterfield and either a Bromley or Barnet (Alty the way things are going) ? who knows.
Sutton now have a real pitch and no doubt this has troubled them this season - plus not really adding to their side, same way really as what we did tbh. Didnt recruit the right player for that division - its a tough place to play these days as we know.


To be fair to Sutton they had to install a grass pitch as a condition of their promotion so will have played on grass all their time in the Football League and on their grass pitch did very well, even flirted with the play off positions at times. Clearly, this season the wheels fell off. Even if they go down, they lasted longer than we did and made a much bigger impact on League Two on their grass pitch.


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Depends if Sutton can get out of the way and Colchester move in there. Doesnt look likely just now but 2 more far south teams to add to our roster. Forest Green are rubbish and have lost just about all their decent players that got them there in the first place. Unless their owner throws some serious cash at them and they do a Wrexham then i cant see them making the division any harder than it is now given we are about to loose a Chesterfield and either a Bromley or Barnet (Alty the way things are going) ? who knows.
Sutton now have a real pitch and no doubt this has troubled them this season - plus not really adding to their side, same way really as what we did tbh. Didnt recruit the right player for that division - its a tough place to play these days as we know.



I was thinking more along the likes of Oldham, Rochdale, Bromley, Barnet, Alty, Solihull, York, Southend.


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