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 Post subject: Re: Chesterfield v Pools predictions
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:45 am 
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On checking Chesterfield players I was surprised that apart from Grigg there was not any what I would call big signings and most have been at lower league and national league clubs. A good example was Colclough who ran us ragged he was signed from Alringham this season.


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Just goes to show we need another midfielder, Featherstone might have been an option but he wouldn’t sigh the deal, his loss as I don’t think he has a club yet.

The words ‘he might have been opinion’ make it pretty plain what you said.
He’d have been a liability in that team…..like a flotilla of destroyers at full speed with a tug boat wallowing behind.


I don’t think he would have been, after Mancini went of Chesterfield were cutting Pools up like a knife through butter.

I admire your optimism Jamie, I bet you still think Glenn Miller’s just overdue too.

Snowy I am a 60/70s music person it would be John Lennon, Jimi Hendrix, Otis Redding or Marvin Gaye for me.

They didn’t disappear over the channel in 1944 though.

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It was gutting to lose the game right at the death, thought we were going to nick a point after Grigg's horrendous miss.

The thing now is to chalk it off to experience and make sure there's no hangover at home to Wealdstone on Saturday. I doubt though that we'll be able to maintain the attacking tempo that Mancini has been giving us on the right. I'd be tempted to play Joe Grey in his spot on the right of midfield - Joe has bags of energy and did well for most of the Chesterfield game. Mani D and Wreh or Umerah up top.

That was my first experience of National League TV and what others have said is true - it's even worse than even worse than iFollow! Missed the start of the second half and their equaliser and when it did rejoin the game it had somehow added 10 minutes to the clock!


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Yeah any win against wealdstone no matter how is a must. Got to find a way to get over losing mancini, in some ways might be a blessing that he is here with us longer, before clubs come sniffing.


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Once Mancini went off, we bypassed the midfield - and got butchered. It was obscene he didn’t bring Umerah on for Grey. Once we started going long, we needed a focal point. Askey got that wrong for me, poor game management.

Maybe Askey has is reasons. :wink:


He may well have his reasons, Snowy. But if you put him in your squad for match day, then proceed to watch relentless attack after attack - meanwhile Joe Grey barely gets a touch as we resort to long ball tactics - you would bring your 15 goal, target man forward on to try mop up some of the pressure. You wouldn’t bring Paterson and Hastie on. If there’s an issue or he’s leaving, don’t bother put him in the squad.

It was poor game management and JA normally gets most things correct. On this occasion, he did not. The game was crying out for Umerah.


Pools already had a focal point and target man on the pitch - Many D. Having two up front completely detached from the play would have achieved nothing. Pools midfield wasn't in the game and I don't think hoofball is in the John Askey playbook.

Chesterfield's play was so far ahead of ours after Mancini went off that JA did what he could to hang on to what would have been an excellent away point - and came within a minute or so of doing it.


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One thing that cheered me up was listening to post match interviews

Askey as ever talked sense, whereas chesterfield wheeled out their assistant who sounded like a David Brent wannabe, already looking at the league table and flinging around cliches, very cringey

Oh and as well as celebrating Mancinis injury their manager was booked for trying to get Askey booked… classless bounder



Just for clarity Paul Cook was booked for arguing with thr ref, insisting that Askey SHOULD'NT have been booked. But like a lot of refs in this shyte league he appears to have a big bed post and he wanted the notch of Paul Cook on it.

Claiming Paul Cook was classless is totally out of order. Don't tar him with the same brush that suits many a manager/coach in this shithousery league


Fair enough that’s a complete 180 then, apologies I must have misheard

Perhaps on the Mancini thing as well he was just pumping the crowd up ? But seemed weird


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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
Yeah any win against wealdstone no matter how is a must. Got to find a way to get over losing mancini, in some ways might be a blessing that he is here with us longer, before clubs come sniffing.


Yes, now we've got him till the end of December at least :lol: Every cloud eh?


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It was gutting to lose the game right at the death, thought we were going to nick a point after Grigg's horrendous miss.

The thing now is to chalk it off to experience and make sure there's no hangover at home to Wealdstone on Saturday. I doubt though that we'll be able to maintain the attacking tempo that Mancini has been giving us on the right. I'd be tempted to play Joe Grey in his spot on the right of midfield - Joe has bags of energy and did well for most of the Chesterfield game. Mani D and Wreh or Umerah up top.

That was my first experience of National League TV and what others have said is true - it's even worse than even worse than iFollow! Missed the start of the second half and their equaliser and when it did rejoin the game it had somehow added 10 minutes to the clock!


Mirrored my experience with national league tv exactly. It's as if someone forgot to press the button for the second half, very amateurish.
Also the Chesterfield commentator wasn't great shakes either.
I appreciate they are trying to make the matches available to people who can't attend but they've got to up their game.

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Yeh fully agree - we dont need to be chasing expensive loan signings either from the championship who end up absolute turd.
JA knows this and is well aware. But what did surprise me like all was the tactical subs and game plan we set up for - we almost looked like 10 men on that pitch, something went missing as though we had a player less. Some lads need a good rest now but unfortunately we dont have any decent players to fill their boots ? Where is Finney thought he was back fit ?

Ideally at this level you need that quality on the bench - thought JA would know that. Should of maybe tried to sign Greyson when we had the chance - we need footballers and lads with good engines to get out of this league. Chesterfield showed that yesterday. They for me will win this league. Can see them going on a run now.

Connor Evans is a cracking player for this level and id happily take him. Hope DC can do us a favour and loan us some of his better lads who cant seem to get into his league side.


Maybe Johnson if hes still there.

he is out on a season loan at wimbledon.


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Once Mancini went off, we bypassed the midfield - and got butchered. It was obscene he didn’t bring Umerah on for Grey. Once we started going long, we needed a focal point. Askey got that wrong for me, poor game management.

Maybe Askey has is reasons. :wink:


He may well have his reasons, Snowy. But if you put him in your squad for match day, then proceed to watch relentless attack after attack - meanwhile Joe Grey barely gets a touch as we resort to long ball tactics - you would bring your 15 goal, target man forward on to try mop up some of the pressure. You wouldn’t bring Paterson and Hastie on. If there’s an issue or he’s leaving, don’t bother put him in the squad.

It was poor game management and JA normally gets most things correct. On this occasion, he did not. The game was crying out for Umerah.


Pools already had a focal point and target man on the pitch - Many D. Having two up front completely detached from the play would have achieved nothing. Pools midfield wasn't in the game and I don't think hoofball is in the John Askey playbook.

Chesterfield's play was so far ahead of ours after Mancini went off that JA did what he could to hang on to what would have been an excellent away point - and came within a minute or so of doing it.


I disagree. The pattern of play was pretty consistent from us - when we had it, ball went wide to either LCB/RCB or full back who either turned back or hoofed the ball long. Grey, despite his efforts, couldn't get a sniff. Mani D was dropping fairly deep. My opinion is that a switch of bringing Umerah on would have given us a better chance to make the long-ball stick a bit longer, to allow us to get up the pitch. Instead, Hastie & Patterson came on and the flow of attacks continued, we were camped in our half.

Outside of trying to actually look after the ball better, Umerah carries a far greater goal-threat than Patterson (who found himself in an attacking midfield type role at times) and Hastie. We had a couple of small moments in front of goal, such as Grey's chance where he cut inside. I'd want my 15 goal man on those small moments, especially given the quality of Umerah's finishing.

If Umerah doesn't leave, it will not be long before we have him and Mani D up front together again. He has a big point to prove now he has Mani D firing as competition, but let's not forget the goals from absolute nothing that Umerah scored last season - Mansfield away, Northampton at home etc. Substituting a player like that into a game such as yesterday (vs the other options available), for me, was a no brainer & opportunity missed.


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It's all about opinions. I hope Umerah stays too and expect that he will, but he was a dick getting himself banned for 3 games and Askey's not the sort of manager to rush him back in when other players had gone on a 3 game winning streak without him (4 if you count the 10 men grabbing the 3 points against Gateshead).


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Agreed on that FH and the red card was senseless. It's for that reason I think he didn't bring him on yesterday - so as to prove a point. Cutting your nose off to spite your face on this occasion though. He's a good player, one of our best.


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Agreed on that FH and the red card was senseless. It's for that reason I think he didn't bring him on yesterday - so as to prove a point. Cutting your nose off to spite your face on this occasion though. He's a good player, one of our best.

We are where we are so play then together and see what happens, Nowt to lose.

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In games like this goalkeepers can be hero’s and get you a win or draw similar to what Killip did at Stockport, and whilst it is early days I have not been convinced with Dixon.


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Sounds like Louis Stephenson may be joining Bradford City. Some social murmurs that Odusina may be going the other way.


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In games like this goalkeepers can be hero’s and get you a win or draw similar to what Killip did at Stockport, and whilst it is early days I have not been convinced with Dixon.

If Killip was that good he’d still be here. He wasn’t, he isn’t.
As for his performance at Stockport, that was a one off…. sorry are saying we should have retained Killip as number one…. sctatchinghead Surely not.

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Personally don't think Timi is the kind of central defender we need just now, we seem to really struggle with crosses coming in so a big dominant defender would be high on my agenda. Someone who puts his head where it hurts. Mani O is quite similar to Timi only his passing is better.


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In games like this goalkeepers can be hero’s and get you a win or draw similar to what Killip did at Stockport, and whilst it is early days I have not been convinced with Dixon.


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If Killip was that good he’d still be here. He wasn’t, he isn’t.
As for his performance at Stockport, that was a one off…. sorry, but are saying we should have retained Killip as number one…. sctatchinghead Surely not.

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No I’m not wanting Killip back just pointing out how some goalkeepers have blinders and become hero’s when the team are being outplayed even Killip. Are other posters convinced with Dixon from what we have seen?


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I don't think it will be long til Jameson gets a game, Dixon has conceded a few soft ones already. Was really excited about Dixon signing but he needs to improve from what I've seen.


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One thing that cheered me up was listening to post match interviews

Askey as ever talked sense, whereas chesterfield wheeled out their assistant who sounded like a David Brent wannabe, already looking at the league table and flinging around cliches, very cringey

Oh and as well as celebrating Mancinis injury their manager was booked for trying to get Askey booked… classless bounder



Just for clarity Paul Cook was booked for arguing with thr ref, insisting that Askey SHOULD'NT have been booked. But like a lot of refs in this shyte league he appears to have a big bed post and he wanted the notch of Paul Cook on it.

Claiming Paul Cook was classless is totally out of order. Don't tar him with the same brush that suits many a manager/coach in this shithousery league


Fair enough that’s a complete 180 then, apologies I must have misheard

Perhaps on the Mancini thing as well he was just pumping the crowd up ? But seemed weird




No apologies required. When competing in this league it's easy to assume all managers/coaches are the same. For example the clown at boredom (Garrad) following our game there 3 seasons ago he bragged on national platforms that when things were going wrong "he got ashmore (cheating keeper) to go down and feign injury so he could get instructions to his team," 5 minutes later our best player (on the day)was carried off with season ending injuries. To go on and brag about it without the NL taking any action typifies the standard of this shithousery league.

It was a pleasure to chat to Hartlepool fans in the boozers pre game as it was nice to see some here and they were not dickheads like wrexham and Oldham.
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No apologies required. When competing in this league it's easy to assume all managers/coaches are the same. For example the clown at boredom (Garrad) following our game there 3 seasons ago he bragged on national platforms that when things were going wrong "he got ashmore (cheating keeper) to go down and feign injury so he could get instructions to his team," 5 minutes later our best player (on the day)was carried off with season ending injuries. To go on and brag about it without the NL taking any action typifies the standard of this shithousery league.

It was a pleasure to chat to Hartlepool fans in the boozers pre game as it was nice to see some here and they were not dickheads like wrexham and Oldham.
Cheers

no time for garrad as he always sounds like a right tosser. saying that you cannot blame him but the authorities that seem to have no intention of stopping that type of stuff happening. their biggest worry now seems to be time it takes on throw ins and the number of people stood up in the dugouts and saying nasty comments to those who cannot be criticesed rather than stuff paying fans really care about.


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Bolton fans hated Dixon and where glad to see the back of him - he really needs to find that form he did at Barrow.

is the lack of a GK coach giving the lads a real training outing - who knows but im now wanting Jamo to have a go.

Timi if he does come here will be a warm welcome back - however hes just another bum on the bench for me as he wont bring anything any of the others dont have and we have yet to really see Burton yet whom im excited to see more of.

we are desperate for another Mani O tbh - strong athletic willing to win headers and organise a set piece - we really need to be sorting out the set piece marking and getting hold of your man and shrugging the players off the keeper etc


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[quote="Eiphos_3"]Bolton fans hated Dixon and where glad to see the back of him - he really needs to find that form he did at Barrow.

is the lack of a GK coach giving the lads a real training outing - who knows but im now wanting Jamo to have a go.

Always thought he was a steady unspectacular keeper at barrow but since then he has either been a bit unlucky in some of his play with us or mistakes through lack of confidence or ability have come into his game. At the outset i did not think there was much between him and jameson even if the latter is a more spectacular keeper but with mistakes in him also.


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On checking Chesterfield players I was surprised that apart from Grigg there was not any what I would call big signings and most have been at lower league and national league clubs. A good example was Colclough who ran us ragged he was signed from Alringham this season.


Tom Naylor - played 36 games in the championship last season.
Michael Jacobs - 32 games league 1 last season.

While Colclough was at Altrincham before, he had offers from the League but turned them down to move to Chesterfield. They have the budget to sign the best/better players of National League clubs as well as compete with league clubs for signings. Their back up keeper was Solihulls number 1, Palmer was Stockports captain when they went up, Dobra joined them for Paul Cook and has turned down league interest to stay. Their budget will be the biggest in this league, shown by the quality they could bring off the bench and unfortunately for us we can't compete with that.


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No I’m not wanting Killip back just pointing out how some goalkeepers have blinders and become hero’s when the team are being outplayed even Killip. Are other posters convinced with Dixon from what we have seen?

Ok I’ll let you live therethere

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Tom Naylor - played 36 games in the championship last season.
Michael Jacobs - 32 games league 1 last season.

While Colclough was at Altrincham before, he had offers from the League but turned them down to move to Chesterfield. They have the budget to sign the best/better players of National League clubs as well as compete with league clubs for signings. Their back up keeper was Solihulls number 1, Palmer was Stockports captain when they went up, Dobra joined them for Paul Cook and has turned down league interest to stay. Their budget will be the biggest in this league, shown by the quality they could bring off the bench and unfortunately for us we can't compete with that.

on the plus side no other club can. they were second best last season to wrexham and notts county but not this term. we need to forget about them and really our seasons best would be a play off position. the injuries and suspensions will show the gulf even more as the season goes on no matter what rabbits JA can pull out in transfers from now on.


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On checking Chesterfield players I was surprised that apart from Grigg there was not any what I would call big signings and most have been at lower league and national league clubs. A good example was Colclough who ran us ragged he was signed from Alringham this season.


Tom Naylor - played 36 games in the championship last season.
Michael Jacobs - 32 games league 1 last season.

While Colclough was at Altrincham before, he had offers from the League but turned them down to move to Chesterfield. They have the budget to sign the best/better players of National League clubs as well as compete with league clubs for signings. Their back up keeper was Solihulls number 1, Palmer was Stockports captain when they went up, Dobra joined them for Paul Cook and has turned down league interest to stay. Their budget will be the biggest in this league, shown by the quality they could bring off the bench and unfortunately for us we can't compete with that.


Tom Naylor and Jacobs are excellent players for this level - must be on some money to come away from L1 level football.

Same with Colclough and Dobra to turn down the offers they had. Dobra although hasnt been getting the game time he was hoping for.

Mandeville aslo is a staple player at this level and always has been - he was a star player the year we went up and i am sure notched against us when we played them!

We need a Naylor and Colclough in our side tbh.


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I would give Jameson a go but I think the killip haters are getting a big of a reality check on the general standard and of goalkeeping at this level


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On checking Chesterfield players I was surprised that apart from Grigg there was not any what I would call big signings and most have been at lower league and national league clubs. A good example was Colclough who ran us ragged he was signed from Alringham this season.


Tom Naylor - played 36 games in the championship last season.
Michael Jacobs - 32 games league 1 last season.

While Colclough was at Altrincham before, he had offers from the League but turned them down to move to Chesterfield. They have the budget to sign the best/better players of National League clubs as well as compete with league clubs for signings. Their back up keeper was Solihulls number 1, Palmer was Stockports captain when they went up, Dobra joined them for Paul Cook and has turned down league interest to stay. Their budget will be the biggest in this league, shown by the quality they could bring off the bench and unfortunately for us we can't compete with that.


Tom Naylor and Jacobs are excellent players for this level - must be on some money to come away from L1 level football.

Same with Colclough and Dobra to turn down the offers they had. Dobra although hasnt been getting the game time he was hoping for.

Mandeville aslo is a staple player at this level and always has been - he was a star player the year we went up and i am sure notched against us when we played them!

We need a Naylor and Colclough in our side tbh.


Yes king was a very good player too, that’s the pain of only 1 team going up direct I expect by next year Oldham will have sorted out their shit and be formidable money wise too.
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loyal_fan wrote:
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Johnjo1 wrote:
On checking Chesterfield players I was surprised that apart from Grigg there was not any what I would call big signings and most have been at lower league and national league clubs. A good example was Colclough who ran us ragged he was signed from Alringham this season.


Tom Naylor - played 36 games in the championship last season.
Michael Jacobs - 32 games league 1 last season.

While Colclough was at Altrincham before, he had offers from the League but turned them down to move to Chesterfield. They have the budget to sign the best/better players of National League clubs as well as compete with league clubs for signings. Their back up keeper was Solihulls number 1, Palmer was Stockports captain when they went up, Dobra joined them for Paul Cook and has turned down league interest to stay. Their budget will be the biggest in this league, shown by the quality they could bring off the bench and unfortunately for us we can't compete with that.


Tom Naylor and Jacobs are excellent players for this level - must be on some money to come away from L1 level football.

Same with Colclough and Dobra to turn down the offers they had. Dobra although hasnt been getting the game time he was hoping for.




Mandeville aslo is a staple player at this level and always has been - he was a star player the year we went up and i am sure notched against us when we played them!

We need a Naylor and Colclough in our side tbh.


Yes king was a very good player too, that’s the pain of only 1 team going up direct I expect by next year Oldham will have sorted out their shit and be formidable money wise too.
Playoffs it will have to be



Think this time next year 3 could be going up.


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