Agree alomost entirely Bluestreak though not sure why anyone would be suffering from overload. We havent had an election for 2 and half years. Some of these feeling the overload must really struggling with voting twice in 30 months. I am also hoping for a huge youth turnout this time. If that still results in a tory majority then so be it. The youth would get what they deserve. I am trusting they do the right thing and look after their own future and not worry about what 70 year olds still dreaming of the good old days think.

This is also true and I would hazard a guess that in 2-3 years time most of them will deny voting the way they did.

The ‘poll’ makes interesting reading.

I am referring to political overload connected to Brexit etc and its constant dominance in the press. It's almost a relief to hear about other things.
Yes I agree over to the kids.

Huge rumours on social media about an enormous breaking news story regarding leaked documents.

If this is true and the people it will bring down

What story would that be?

I think the one aspect of recent times that is affecting people is the fact that in 2016 17.4 million people voted for something that hasn't been delivered, and Parliament voted to deliver that decision, and both major parties promised in their 2017 manifestos that they would deliver it, and MP's of all parties (of any stature) have systematically refused to deliver it.
People are taking the view of what's the point if they, Parliament, will only deliver what suits THEM.
I also am pleased the youngsters are taking part and not before time,
I also hope they get it right and we don't get five years of marxism because I don't think for one minute that the youngsters want that or deserve that.
The Remoaners have screamed again and again that people were misled leading up to the referendum vote, well they are about to be misled again, only this time it will be dire.
Does anyone on here actually believe that these promises they are spouting, and I include all of them, are actually going to be delivered.
The choice is how do you want to be destroyed......by the left or by the right.

Come on then spill it.

Remind me again what age Corbyn is????
You really don't think before you post do you???

It hasnt been delivered because it never could be. Look at whats left of it. Northern Ireland isnt actually leaving now ith the rest of the UK. If Johson had his way we would leave without one and then the bombing would start again. None of this was an issue during the ridiculous referendum. It cannot be resolved just like that as a lot of idiots preaching the mantra just get it done seem to think. And even if the UK do eventually agree to leave it will be between 5-10 years before it actually happend properly. The whole thing was a lie. Its not remainers fault that this happened as just wanting stay as we were is not a crime. You call them remoaners. I say they are the only ones left with any sense.

You have responded to a number of my previous posts and very little of them make any sense to me. I include this one in that. What has Corbyns age got to do with anything? Unless you think he one of those dreaming of the 1940's and 50s harking back to the good old days of the British Empire and how great life was back then before immigrants and Europeans ruined it. Corbyn of course isnt one of those.

Your using the words LEFT and SENSE in the same sentence. How daft is that.
So why aren't you voting lib dem, they'll cancel brexit for you.
Oh sorry I forgot, you're voting tactically.

Yes like any sensible person will do.

Ah I see, when you say 70 year olds you only mean some of them and not all of them.
That's a bit like the racist theme, not liking some of the racists but tolerating the others.
At least you are consistent.

I am voting tactically................not for any of them.
Don't like Aaron Banks and I've always been a tad suspicious of him, so give us a link mate. Ta.

Politicians colluding and stitching people up, especially tories is par for the course, we need more than that.

I havent actually seen any of it yet but I will be getting the popcorn out soon to view and enjoy. I wonder of the BBC dare report it. Or more specifically whats in it. Would be just like the BBC to report that an account has been hacked and leave it at that.

You're at it again.
You say tactical voting is sensible but are getting the popcorn out to watch politicians tactically make deals to affect the voting.
Have you ever had your ancestry checked.
I'll bet ten bob the names Jekyll and Hyde are in there somewhere.
I don't think you are serious at all when you post.
You're trying to make us laugh.
Well my friend you've got me in stitches.
We'll have to have a pint sometime cos you are one hell of a comedian.
Before you get carried away......you're paying.

How on earth does this get buried in technology news? Have the beeb been found to complicit?

So his ancestry will show watching from afar is related to 2 fictitious characters?

Aye and both from billingham

Well I've watched the debate and what a load of nonsense that was.
It was couldn't v wouldn't or wouldn't v couldn't or couldn't v couldn't or wouldn't v wouldn't.
What a fucking mess we are in.
I think the Queen should intervene and tell them both she is not going to ask either of them to form a government and then appoint her own.
How many does the Tower hold?

Well I heard the following:

Views on:

NHS. Corbyn: We need to spend more and protect it. Johnson:Get Brexit done.
Austerity. Corbyn: We need a more equal society tax the rich. Johnson: Get Brexit done.
Brexit. Corbyn: Bring the country together and put it back to the people. Johnson: Get Brexit done.
The poor view of them. Corbyn: Listen to the people and learn from them. Johnson:Get Brexit done.

So in essence, Johnson turned every question to Brexit to allow him to not actually answer anything. And the host just couldnt get him in line.

The best example of blinkered vision I have ever seen in my life.

Yes I agree playing on the whole Brexit cult because you have no answers regarding real issues is a very blinkered vision. Blustering, misleading and outright lying it’s the way forward as long as the gullible conform and the right people get another payday.

The phrase that he will get Brexit done is about as delusional and misleading as it comes, even after we do leave it will take years to be ‘done’.

I have a fallback in life now if ever a question pops up that I can’t answer or is a bit awkward I will babble some incoherent gibberish then say I will get Brexit done. Works every time.

I must be deluded but yet even that last question about christmas presents johnson could not move away from his script so his present for Corbyn would be his Brexit deal. And when asked if the truth matters and saying yes it does his office was putting up a fake twitter account claiming to be independent. The tories have stooped from new low to new low.

No matter what you think of corbyn at least the fella spoke in full sentences and appeared to care for the nhs the underprivileged and the planet. Johnson is almost incoherent with his need to get the words get brexit done into every comment. Its beyond me how so many people cant see through him. Or worse they hate corbyn so much they would rather let johnson rule

The biggest lie of all is the tory claim that they will build 40 new hospitals. This can only mean one of two things, they consider things like one life centres to be hospitals or they are going to build 40 shiny new proper hospitals at around £200m a go. Thats £8billion they are going to spend then over the next 5 years? Except it wont be physically possible to build that many in that time. The media could go to town on them on this alone but they just dont.

This will probably come as no surprise, but I like Corbyn; a decent social democrat with principles and a man who wants to hold public office to make a difference, not to just say he holds public office. And yes, he is a social democrat; anyone who says he's a marxist doesn't really know much about marxism.

Yes Yes Yes...................but (sorry John) after all this tory misrule over the last nine years ( aided and abetted by "I'll scrap tuition fees" Clegg) the tories are still the preferred choice, according to the polls.
This is what maddens me and it should madden the rest of you.
Why aren't the tories dead and buried and why isn't labour out of sight.
We all know the answer to that.
As I've said before the choice is being destroyed by the left or the right.
Blinkered vision doesn't begin to cover it.
Yes we need an end to austerity and injustices but we know that don't we because we have first hand knowledge of it.........we've lived through it.
However that's no reason to jump from the frying pan into the fire.
It is easy to measure Johnson and the tories but how do we measure Corbyn et al. What major office has Corbyn held? Which of his own prime ministers have entrusted him with responsibility or even shadow responsibility.
All we have is the promise of the biggest, most radical left wing agenda that the country has ever seen. They openly admit to that and even boast about it and then they say their programme will bring everyone together. Does anyone think that the wealth creators and job creators are going to sit idly by as we get nationalisation after nationalisation and board members are being told by McDonnell that their salaries are going to be controlled and capped by a labour government.
Is that how we bring people together and if it is why hasn't it been done before??? Oh wait a minute it has been tried before, in many countries and one after the other of these countries has rejected it.
Ah but we are Brits. All these other countries have rejected marxism but they didn't do it properly did they??? We WILL make it work because we have got the outstanding collective genius of the great holy trinity of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott ( which goalie would wish to play behind that half back line ).
If Corbyn does get in and he has every chance ( he crosses himself and says three hail marys ).........
I like Raj Singh's saying " those who can....do and those who can't.....talk about it. That is Corbyn's forte...hot air and bullshit.
You are being fed a line and unfortunately, in your desperation to get rid of Johnson, are going to take a huge bite.
The best way to keep Johnson and the tories out of power is to create an electable alternative, not a more destructive alternative.
Where will the NHS be after these marxists bankrupt the country???
But each to their own. Do what you must do but don't say you weren't warned although i can hear some of you now "I didn't really want Corbyn, my vote was tactical so don't blame me"
Yeah right.

Most politicians say he or she wants to spend more money on the NHS.
I have never heard any politician in the run up to an election say he or she wanted to spend less on the NHS.
I'm glad you mentioned Stalin, we're going to become more and more aware of him and his admirers.

Don’t panic Mr Derwent. The country won’t be bankrupted in spite of all of these spending promises because apparently Corbyn has a money forest.

You can only vote for what is in front of you. I doubt any on here are card carrying labour party members even less so Momentum members so how anyone thinks we can change the Labour leader is quite beyond me. Like I have said numerous times now we need a hung parliament to stop any of them getting their mad way. The Conservatives have lurched so far right they are now dangerous as even their moderate MPs are completely on message even when it makes them look stupid e.g James Cleverley and Dominic Raab today. Yes there are issues for Labour to resolve and I wish they didnt appear so far to the left but like someone said above Jeremy Corbyn has enough human traits to be decent enough despite all of the lies told about him.

Ah you liked Johnsons joke eh? Like I said above 40 new hospitals promised is way more than a money tree. 9 years of austerity yet the tories found another money tree to start building HS2 which is already 2 years behind programme. And will never reach Leeds. Never mind further North. They are going to put 20,000 more police officers on the beat but fail to mention they took the same number off in the last 9 years. They couldnt afford them till there was an election. Suddenly that money tree appears. How many trees make a forest?

Thanks Mr Ripper I wasn't aware of his money forest but that doesn't look good for the long term because, like a true marxist, when his forest runs out he'll nationalise somebody else's.

Did social democracy fail? Really? Tell that to the Nordic countries; they seem to be doing ok with higher tax rates, higher public spending and a more egalitarian society. Has neoliberalism been an unqualified success? It has been if you're among the elite. But for the rest, no way. Precarious employment, a declining welfare state and massive increases in equality suggest not. Trickle down economics has been the biggest load of bs ever sold to the electorate. I'll be voting Labour; not for tactical reasons, but simply because it's about time we, as a nation, recognised the failures in neoliberalism and addressed the massive issues it has created in our society.

He's not a marxist. He's a social democrat. It's an important distinction.

This Banks twitter hacking revelation seems to be on the back burner.
Somebody told me this morning that the latest rumour is that the Russians are trying to influence the election.
Not seen that meself but it wouldn't surprise me.
We need to check that with Mr Marxist.

There’s definitely been a hack; Sussex has hacked Derwent’s account.

One reason Labour isn't out of sight is that when the right of the party lost control, largely because of Blair's exposure as a liar and warmonger, they didn't accept what had happened. Instead they launched leadership challenges and smear campaigns against Corbyn at every opportunity.

Politics is politics and they're entitled to fight their corner but when half of the parliamentary party undermines Corbyn at every opportunity it's a bit rich to turn round and say,"Oh dear, we look divided, he isn't a great leader."

When the manager loses the dressing room..........................

Do you mean he he should have dealt with the likes of Chukka far more brutally? And that holding back the members who wanted to deselect MPs who were working against the leadership was probably a mistake too?

Johnson's frenzied purge in the Tory party has been all but forgotten about so I'm sure the media would have treated a similar approach from Corbyn very fairly!

I'm not in a position to advise him one way or the other but my preference is for him to go and I think I have made that abundantly clear.
If he gets in I think he would step down during the Parliament. I don't expect him to do a full term.
I'll give you a conspiracy theory if you like.
Imagine the possibility of him and the SNP forming a coalition with Sturgeon, or whoever the SNP put forward, as deputy and then the bold Jeremy stands down, not only would we have the end of the union but we would have the scots crying bannockburn all over again.
Far fetched ????? I'm not sure.

I have an interesting choice in the GE, with a candidate running for The Shropshire Party - yes, really, they have a website and everything https://www.shropshireparty.org.uk/ - though to be fair, round here the Tories are so far ahead that there's hardly any real campaigning - the main parties save that for the likes of Crewe and Nantwich which is a key marginal....

The laughter at both candidates last night makes me think that this is going to be a "hold your nose and vote for X" type election - plenty of voters not exactly happy with their choice, but regarding it as better than the alternative - whichever side of the argument they happen to be on. Tories have lurched right, Labour have lurched left, both have their issues with racism (Antisemitism in Labour and Islamaphobia in the Tories), each side seeming to hope that their base will turn out, meanwhile the moderares on both sides are faced with the Lib Dems (who aren't doing themselves many favours at the moment), Greens (unlikely to win more than their one current seat), or not voting at all....

In my constituency we have got the Yorkshire party.

That is a fair point but I am not budging.

I did not watch last night's TV debate as I consider them pretty much worthless, turning politics into another reality TV crapfest. After the "debate" had finished, Channel 4 broadcast "Boom, Bust and Bankers", which depressingly highlighted how we ended up in this mess. It wasn't the EU, immigration or refugees that brought us here but Thatcherism, the unbridled greed of the financial services industry (which "New" Labour did nothing to curtail) and Austerity. The choice to me is quite stark, either we carry on as we have done for the last forty years - with inequality, zero-hours contracts, food banks, homelessness etc all increasing, and the threat of yet another "banking crisis" as nothing much seems to have changed there - or we try something different.

if you do not mind wearing a flat cap and owning a whippet then they would be worth your vote. extra days holiday for the freddie trueman / geoff boycott memorial day.

Indeed Mr Accrington.