Martin McGuiness

returnofaido · **Posted:** Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:30 am

horden wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

There is no doubt that the people of NI were sick and tired of it all and the likes of McGuiness had lost the community. That is where their power base always was but they became to be seen for the money making gangsters they were rather than the freedom fighters they like to portray themselves as.

Frankly when he decided to change methods he had little choice

Martin McGuinness was a freedom fighter, not a terrorist or a money making gangster, you know that, but you don't like it, because you have another agenda, that of fighting for queen and country, regardless of whether it is right or wrong.

During the civil rights marches in 1969, McGuinness and the likes were asking for a peaceful solution to the situation, they were met with violence by the British government, it was then that the McGuinness and co, decided that if that was the way a call for peace was going to be met, the only way to achieve an outcome was for them to use violence.

It was this sustained violence, especially when it started to hit the British money men in the pockets ( Docklands bombing, 100 million pounds of damage ) that eventually got the British government to the table and talk about peace. McGuinness was a freedom fighter , had he been born in Hartlepool I doubt he would of killed anyone, likewise if a Hartlepool catholic had been born in the Belfast bogside they could of become a freedom fighter, that is the difference between a freedom fighter and a murderer, they aren't unhinged or born a murderer, they grow into it, because of the challenges life has dealt them. Most people choose to just struggle along, others choose to do something about it.

Ronnie, you are a comedy, cliched bedroom revolutionary. Very little of the shit you posted above is remotely true, but you'll toss yourself senseless at the thought of some rugged Irish 'warrior' bravely taking on the might of the evil English establishment. In reality, your idol was a cowardly chancer, driven to murder innocent people by an entrenched political ideology that was ultimately rejected by the people it was intended to 'free'. Open a window, your bedroom stinks and your tea's ready.

Dalton'sHaircut · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1013

There is a good article about McGuiness in the Spectator online, worth a read in relation to how the man viewed the deaths of the people he was responsible for killing

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22670

horden wrote:

Martin McGuinness was a freedom fighter, not a terrorist or a money making gangster, you know that, but you don't like it, because you have another agenda, that of fighting for queen and country, regardless of whether it is right or wrong.

During the civil rights marches in 1969, McGuinness and the likes were asking for a peaceful solution to the situation, they were met with violence by the British government, it was then that the McGuinness and co, decided that if that was the way a call for peace was going to be met, the only way to achieve an outcome was for them to use violence.

It was this sustained violence, especially when it started to hit the British money men in the pockets ( Docklands bombing, 100 million pounds of damage ) that eventually got the British government to the table and talk about peace. McGuinness was a freedom fighter , had he been born in Hartlepool I doubt he would of killed anyone, likewise if a Hartlepool catholic had been born in the Belfast bogside they could of become a freedom fighter, that is the difference between a freedom fighter and a murderer, they aren't unhinged or born a murderer, they grow into it, because of the challenges life has dealt them. Most people choose to just struggle along, others choose to do something about it.

I know nothing of the sort and he was no hero or 'freedom fighter'. He was a cold blooded murderer and a cowardly terrorist. He was nothing more. He killed or ordered the death of many many people.

For example; explain to me the heroism in the murder of Jean McConville, a mother of ten who was taken by your heroes and killed.

Yes there was massive discrimination in Ireland but by Protestants not military. There were no Black and Tans in Northern Ireland. The British forces were initially sent in to protect the catholics but that changed when the Provos ousted the old Stickies.

As for an agenda, damn right I have. The cowards, and with a few exceptions thats exactly what they were, of the IRA wouldn't have lasted a minute against the British Forces had we not have been handcuffed by the laws that they ignored. They preferred to bomb people who had nothing whatsoever to do with it including catholics in the Bogside and other areas. There are over 1800 people who died in all of this and this man you praise was instrumental in many of them. I am truly sickened.

The Orienteer · **Joined:** Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:50 pm **Posts:** 69

Dalton'sHaircut wrote:

There is a good article about McGuiness in the Spectator online, worth a read in relation to how the man viewed the deaths of the people he was responsible for killing

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/wha ... to-forget/

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

I agree with horden. I also hold the GSM (NI).

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

He was a man fighting for the future of his country. A terrorist/freedom fighter, its all in a name.
There is no denying his latter years saved lives.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:39 am

Saved lives in the same way I save hundreds of lives every day by not killing anybody?

As I said earlier, helping stop further massacre after 20 years spent blowing innocents to bits is hardly an unreasonable expectation. If he had to put his life on the line to do so, that's not an unreasonable expectation either and it doesn't make him a hero.

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

I didn't call him a 'hero'

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:00 pm

No of course not. It wasn't a personal dig at you.

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