Supporters trust agm

Zippy · **Joined:** Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:37 am **Posts:** 265

The Colonel wrote:

Coxall2015 wrote:

Well said John and as i have already and will do so again wish you the best of health,as for working together that process as been put in motion and hopefully after the Friends meeting next week, this will be pushed through to set up a meeting as soon as possible i have contacted PHIL,RONNIE and hope this will happen asap.

Working together? Are you serious?

Now before you answer that, can we clarify something here.

The Trust was set up to protect HUFC from going bust, or at least to be there to rescue it if it did.

There is no other agenda.

It is not the Disabled association, which does a great job for the disabled.....but is a charity.

It is not the Corner flag, which is a sort of working mens club........and not a trust.

It is not the supporters association, which frankly I have no idea what it does.

Which brings me on to your project. This Friends of group. What are you exactly?

Are you a registered charity? If not, why are people giving you money?

Are you a nationally recognised organisation, like the Trust?

If you are none of the above, then what are you?

Splitters?

For Trust committee members, can one of you clarify please?

For those like me, that have yet to commit to joining the trust, what has the trust got to do with this friends of lot?

If I am to give cash to the Trust, I want guarantees that it is there to rescue the club in its hour of need, and not to get pot holes repaired outside the ground, as that is the responsibility of the club and council.

And it is not there to give £50 from the meat draw to the youth team.

Its time to get this clarified.

The Trust should answer to no one other than its members. And take the meetings away from the Corner Flag too, as that is in danger of clouding the issue.

The different organisations are there to do different things, and none of them is a Trust.

Keep it that way, or my cash stays in my pocket.

Corner Flag · **Joined:** Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:36 pm **Posts:** 558

During my time as a supporter of H.U.F.C. there have been a number of organisations formed with the intention of helping the club. Apart from the Supporters Club in Sandringham Road,which has not been associated with Pools for over 50 years, who remembers the Auxiliary Association, the Pools Sports and Social Club and HUSS. The organisers of these groups were full of good intentions but did not last. The only group which has been consistent in its support of H.U.F.C since its formation in 1983 is the present Supporters Association. Over the years the Association has donated thousands of pounds to help maintain league football in Hartlepool. At the same time building and maintaining the Corner Flag Club for the use of members and guests who share the aims of the Association. The Corner Flag should be the focal point of all supporters and I welcome the fact that the Trust and Friends of H.U.F.C. have chosen to use the C.F. for their meetings.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Lets be careful not to go overboard. There are a small group of people who would love to see the Trust fail. The likes of Ronnie Harnish and the people who run the CF are not amongst them - quite the reverse in fact.

My concerns are about this half a dozen people, some of whom have done everything in their power to undermine the Trust.

The current board have my full support.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:09 pm

This Friends Of HUFC group was only formed for one thing....to try to undermine The Trust and to divert funds from The Trust!!!!
If The Trust wasn't formed the above group would NEVER EVER have been formed!!!!
Friends Of HUFC....100% an Oxymoron for sure!!!!
HUST should keep well clear of the above people and have no meeting whatsoever with them!!!!
Are they actually legal....in the sense of taking people's money????

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Corner Flag wrote:

During my time as a supporter of H.U.F.C. there have been a number of organisations formed with the intention of helping the club. Apart from the Supporters Club in Sandringham Road,which has not been associated with Pools for over 50 years, who remembers the Auxiliary Association, the Pools Sports and Social Club and HUSS. The organisers of these groups were full of good intentions but did not last. The only group which has been consistent in its support of H.U.F.C since its formation in 1983 is the present Supporters Association. Over the years the Association has donated thousands of pounds to help maintain league football in Hartlepool. At the same time building and maintaining the Corner Flag Club for the use of members and guests who share the aims of the Association. The Corner Flag should be the focal point of all supporters and I welcome the fact that the Trust and Friends of H.U.F.C. have chosen to use the C.F. for their meetings.

You make some very good points, yet spolit it by saying at the end that a nationally recognised organisation, the Trust, and this unofficial friends of group are of equal standing.

Lets be clear here, absolutely clear.

The Trust is there to rescue the club. It is not associated with, or shouldnt be, with any other charity or association.

The Trust may well have to go to war with the club. Could these other organisations stomach that?

As for the splitter group. I have no idea what their remit is or why the are trying to form.

It has no logic to me.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Is this Friends Group the one from that other board? Where its members spend their days slating the manager and chairman, spreading rumours and badgering Coxall on social media for a laugh?

Surely if the Trust want to be taken seriously be the club etc then they would be best off not associated with that?

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

The Trust will be run professionally now its committee is formed. It was always formed that way anyway.

It will be there when the club needs it.

But not to fill in pot holes around the ground. The other groups can pay for that if they wish.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:49 pm

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:

Is this Friends Group the one from that other board? Where its members spend their days slating the manager and chairman, spreading rumours and badgering Coxall on social media for a laugh?

Surely if the Trust want to be taken seriously be the club etc then they would be best off not associated with that?

Exactly!!!!
The bloke who runs that group actually thinks it's funny to 'Stalk' the Chairman!!!!

The only meeting he has ever had with Mr.Coxhall was after he was stalking him for weeks on social media with no reply and then turned up at the ground without an invite....nice!!!!

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

So, which one are you a member of Mr Colonel?

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

All of them. But dont tell anyone.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4470

MutleyRules wrote:

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:

Is this Friends Group the one from that other board? Where its members spend their days slating the manager and chairman, spreading rumours and badgering Coxall on social media for a laugh?

Surely if the Trust want to be taken seriously be the club etc then they would be best off not associated with that?

Exactly!!!!
The bloke who runs that group actually thinks it's funny to 'Stalk' the Chairman!!!!

The only meeting he has ever had with Mr.Coxhall was after he was stalking him for weeks on social media with no reply and then turned up at the ground without an invite....nice!!!!

at the end of the day we are all pools fans. Time to grow up and not matter which person is affiliated to whatever message board. What i will say is we have had two winding up orders against the club in a very short space of time. Maybe more people should be asking questions of mr coxall of why this is happening to our club. We need a trust and all fans pulling in the same direction. It seems we need this now more than ever.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:53 pm

Exactly....some people need to grow up!!!!

poolymadandstupid · **Posted:** Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:04 pm

The Colonel wrote:

The Trust will be run professionally now its committee is formed. It was always formed that way anyway.

It will be there when the club needs it.

But not to fill in pot holes around the ground. The other groups can pay for that if they wish.

Can I ask a serious question, could the trust have paid the recent winding up order if called upon. If so how?

poolymadandstupid · **Posted:** Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:07 pm

MutleyRules wrote:

Exactly....some people need to grow up!!!!

I will bring this up at the FDE AGM

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

poolymad wrote:

The Colonel wrote:

The Trust will be run professionally now its committee is formed. It was always formed that way anyway.

It will be there when the club needs it.

But not to fill in pot holes around the ground. The other groups can pay for that if they wish.

Can I ask a serious question, could the trust have paid the recent winding up order if called upon. If so how?

Right.

Firstly, I am not even a member of the trust, so you should aim this at the committee.

Secondly, why the fuck would the Trust do that?

If the club cant pay the cash amount applicable to the winding up order they need to fuck off, and soon.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

poolymad wrote:

The Colonel wrote:

The Trust will be run professionally now its committee is formed. It was always formed that way anyway.

It will be there when the club needs it.

But not to fill in pot holes around the ground. The other groups can pay for that if they wish.

Can I ask a serious question, could the trust have paid the recent winding up order if called upon. If so how?

And thats two questiuons, and you dont have enough credit for two.

Zippy · **Joined:** Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:37 am **Posts:** 265

poolymad wrote:

The Colonel wrote:

The Trust will be run professionally now its committee is formed. It was always formed that way anyway.

It will be there when the club needs it.

But not to fill in pot holes around the ground. The other groups can pay for that if they wish.

Can I ask a serious question, could the trust have paid the recent winding up order if called upon. If so how?

I don`t think it works like that, the trust would step in if the current regime were unable to continue for whatever reason, the trust would then utilise any funds it had to stave off winding up orders or come to an agreement with the creditor.
They would fund raise or secure funds from local companies, as well as utilise club incomings to run the club until a new owner is found or continue as a fan run club.

i think is the jist of it.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

I suspect he already knew that, but is being antagoniistic.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4470

We have a group off people in charge now with a very chequered history. Within a year of taking over we dont pay a bill because of a clerical error. Strange, but very plausible excuse i guess and one you can probobly get away with as long as it doesnt happen again two month later. Thing is unless mr coxall is totally upfront about problems they are having we might be too deep in it before any trust could save us. If they cant afford to pay bills now they should not be in charge of the football club and banking on selling thomas or a cup win at port vale is like playing russian roulette.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Very well put Mr Billingham.

Makes it even more amazing that there are some people still against the Trust.

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

There are always those who like to feck up a good idea because they want it for themselves. The trust will be run professionally as for excepting the 5th column I think it would be bonkers to do so...

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billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4470

We have 3500 to 6000 fans one or two against the trust is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Im sure mr coxall is a lovely guy with the club at heart and im 100 % sure he would accept outside help no matter who it was off. Lets be honest he needs to keep the fans on his side especially with the rumours and some actual fact thats come out recently. Anyone can say they will work with other groups and come for meetings every 6 months. Gary gibson came for a meeting when we were at death doors. When everyone was very hostile towards him. but at the end of the day mr coxall needs to address these money problems out quickly before they escalate out of control. If he had been here 20 years i could understand a football club could be struggling. This new regime has been here just a year or so and supposedly joined a debt free football club so why are they apparently struggling so soon?.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

We have a group off people in charge now with a very chequered history. Within a year of taking over we dont pay a bill because of a clerical error. Strange, but very plausible excuse i guess and one you can probobly get away with as long as it doesnt happen again two month later. Thing is unless mr coxall is totally upfront about problems they are having we might be too deep in it before any trust could save us. If they cant afford to pay bills now they should not be in charge of the football club and banking on selling thomas or a cup win at port vale is like playing russian roulette.

I'm not going to pretend that missing two deadlines to pay bills from the tax man isn't a cause for concern. It is, as is Coxall's frank admission that a late payment by one of HUFC's debtors caused an immediate problem with the club's cashflow (the reason the second payment was late).

Then again, ever since they took over, Coxall & Co have been upfront that they don't have their own money to invest and set out their stall to make the club a successful outfit by ensuring that the club is well run from top to bottom, attracts sponsorship, develops commercial opportunities and yes, sells players.

I don't think there's much doubt that Thomas will go in the January transfer window - hopefully he'll be fit again in time to boost his value so Pools can get a fair market price for him.

Developing and selling on young players is what it's all about for us now - hopefully while moving up the League. Why else does anyone imagine we keep signing these 19 and 20 year olds after trials? A few coming through Pools own youth system would help!

And it goes without saying that any fan with the club's interests at heart should be a HUST member.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4470

I think most of us knew when he took over their was very little money available we can all accept that. What i cant accept is being able to take over a football club and straight away struggling. Basically ior could of handed the club to any one of us. We could have sold the ground name and had a vast amount of season ticket money in and once that ran out. We then like coxall struggle to pay bills. If this is what its like after 1 year whats it going to be like in 5 years? Thomas wont bring anywhere near the amount we deserve for him. No club in their right mind will pay a club with high court action taken against them decent money.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

Pools have not actually been in court have they? They haven't had to ask for more time, they paid up straight away when the tax man got threatening.

As for Thomas, there's more than one club interested in him by all accounts, he'll go to the highest bidder.

As with Hignett, this is one of those glass half full/half empty moments. I'm a natural optimist, so I'm hopeful things will work out alright on and off the pitch. And this after 40 odd years of supporting Pools! 'Often down but never out' should be our motto.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

Was it a winding up petition or order? Petition is like the final demand as far as I understand, an order is when the administrators are set to go about tearing the business apart.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Petition

The Bishop · **Posted:** Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:53 pm

The Colonel wrote:

poolymad wrote:

The Colonel wrote:

1)Can I ask a serious question, 2)could the trust have paid the recent winding up order if called upon. 3)If so how?

And thats two questiuons, and you dont have enough credit for two.

For the record that's actually 3 questions. Sorry for being a pedant.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

You are quite correct mr pedant.

Poolie mad is now in my debt.

And I am fucking expensive.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

offshorepoolie wrote:

There are always those who like to feck up a good idea because they want it for themselves.

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loyal blue · **Joined:** Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:53 pm **Posts:** 1912

The Colonel wrote:

Coxall2015 wrote:

Well said John and as i have already and will do so again wish you the best of health,as for working together that process as been put in motion and hopefully after the Friends meeting next week, this will be pushed through to set up a meeting as soon as possible i have contacted PHIL,RONNIE and hope this will happen asap.

Working together? Are you serious?

Now before you answer that, can we clarify something here.

The Trust was set up to protect HUFC from going bust, or at least to be there to rescue it if it did.

There is no other agenda.

It is not the Disabled association, which does a great job for the disabled.....but is a charity.

It is not the Corner flag, which is a sort of working mens club........and not a trust.

It is not the supporters association, which frankly I have no idea what it does.

Which brings me on to your project. This Friends of group. What are you exactly?

Are you a registered charity? If not, why are people giving you money?

Are you a nationally recognised organisation, like the Trust?

If you are none of the above, then what are you?

Splitters?

For Trust committee members, can one of you clarify please?

For those like me, that have yet to commit to joining the trust, what has the trust got to do with this friends of lot?

If I am to give cash to the Trust, I want guarantees that it is there to rescue the club in its hour of need, and not to get pot holes repaired outside the ground, as that is the responsibility of the club and council.

And it is not there to give £50 from the meat draw to the youth team.

Its time to get this clarified.

The Trust should answer to no one other than its members. And take the meetings away from the Corner Flag too, as that is in danger of clouding the issue.

The different organisations are there to do different things, and none of them is a Trust.

Keep it that way, or my cash stays in my pocket.

From what I understand, the trust has been formed to protect pools fans at the end of the day. It will not be a charity in the purpose of handing cash over. It has been a statement from the outset that it will not be a cash cow for the club. It will basically have 2 "pots of cash'.

The primary pot will be generated by subscriptions that members pay towards. this will be ring fenced should it ever be needed. So should you become a member of the trust your cash will stay firmly in the pot, and only used when the proverbial hits the fan.

Now, the second pot will be generated for fundraising etc in the initial case of helping towards the Disabled Supporters Enclosure. The drive to build the enclosure will be a project of HUDSA, with the trust being a supporting partner of the project.

So no members "Subs" will go towards the fundraising, this will be generated by other means still to be discussed.

Please bear in mind, the committee has only just been finalised and still in progress, but the drive will pick up pace and gather momentum in the very near future

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Let's not get too over the top here, as Andy says it is early days for the new board of directors. Remember that, it is a board not a committee and there are a lot of legal responsibilities that come with it.

My concern is that we remember the aims of the trust and not let it become another association. It is so much more than that. One things I am confident in is that the people currently leading it are doing so for the right reasons. I believe they all are but it's a treacherous road. Be careful who you deal with and remember that a trust is not there to prop up the owners.

The number one aim is supporter representation through a shareholding in the club. It may well come to it that this is the only way a club in Hartlepool can continue.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:13 am

Tucker....what makes you think I don't go to Pools like....Just cos you don't see me there????
I don't get to as many as I use to due to working shifts but I go when I can!!!!

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Same here. 4 games this season, but away again for tonights match.

As I am for all midweek games.

I know I should have got a job on less money but stay at home to show my undying loyalty to Pools. As Pools is all that matters in this world.

My Humble apologies.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

Working away midweek has obviously forced you to miss Chazndave trophy games. I don't think that friends group would want you as a member anyway.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

I joined that Friends reunited when I first used the world wide web.

I quickly realised that I wasnt friends with most from my school for a reason. Apart from the ones that were already friends obviously.

I do have friends. :angry-tappingfoot:

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

People on the bunker don't actually exist so don't count. Particularly since half of them are either you or monkeybutt.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Fuck that. I have no friends on here.

Even Mr B hates me now, and he used to be my only friend.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

just seen something very funny :laugh:

Zippy · **Joined:** Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:37 am **Posts:** 265

The Colonel wrote:

just seen something very funny :laugh:

Mirrors huh, who`d have em!

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

The Colonel wrote:

just seen something very funny :laugh:

Which bit?

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Seen it

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misterb2001 · **Posted:** Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:13 pm

The Colonel wrote:

Fuck that. I have no friends on here.

Even Mr B hates me now, and he used to be my only friend.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

You should have thought about your cruel comments on here and other places and the damage they can do.

You have hurt me.

Cruel.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Anyway I am over you now.

Back on topic.

It seems the trust is going to be needed sooner rather than later.

Wonder what the detracters will think then?

Yawn smilie required now.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

Of course they'll still be against it as a matter of principle. Just imagine if we had two fan groups fighting over who helps the club. Pools always do things differently.

loyal blue · **Joined:** Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:53 pm **Posts:** 1912

But with the Trust being a recognised organisation by the FA and holding the first refusal for the ground I don't think there is any alternative?

Its all well and good having the other groups for other objectives (whatever they may be), but with the Trust being a recognised organisation by the FA surely this will be the only one with any clout to pull the club from the proverbial?

Now I'm not having a pop at any other group by any stretch, but if we do go whollop my personal feeling is every man and his dog in the town will need to back the Trust.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Whatever people think about the Trust, or any individual involved. The Trust is formed and legal. More importantly in the coming months it has national resources to call on in the shape of Supporters Direct.

This is a government funded body with a range of support resources for its members including legal advise, and a network of other Trusts who have been through the whole range of situations.

For example: When we first started I had emails from the likes of Exeter, Swansea, Newcastle, York and many others offering help and advise. I think this is going to be invaluable in the future.

ElvisC · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:55 am **Posts:** 4504

One of the massive things I just don't get about the "other" group is some of their main men are the very ones who objected, and were very vocal, about "not giving the Club any money" at the initial Trust Meetings.

They didn't join The Trust.

Now they've set up a group to give money to the Club?

Just seems really, really strange. I'm not knocking them for one second here, but I'd love an explanation of that.

Not only this, but the "Umbrella" organisation that they are raising money under, i.e. HUFCSA, are also not giving any money to the Club currently....

Maybe I'm missing something?

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