On saying that I DO hope the labour party dont get power, as that might affect my long term plans to move down south.

Would be just my luck to move and then the bloody lefties get in, and make the country a fairer place.

"zionists probably as they run the worlds media and the usa".

I'm no zionist myself Mr Compo, but as a Jew I can tell you that the USA is being led (if led is the phrase?) by, what is, THE most anti-Israel White House ever. Mr Obama seems to be passing laws which his own nation find hard to believe and which spells disaster for Israel in the near future. Jewish congressmen are being forced to comply with his will or be accused of being unpatriotic. The U.N. General Assembly in 2013 adopted a total of 21 resolutions singling out Israel for criticism and 4 resolutions on the rest of the world combined (Pakistan, S.Arabia and North Korea).
My original point was that Corbyn was defending Rev Sizer, Sizer manages to visit Iran, plug his anti-Israel book (as he would there) and yet TOTALLY ignore the imprisonment of Christian pastors and floggings of Christians. Hmmm, not a good friend Jeremy.
As a Jew I can say that there is a distinct change in the air. I am proud to be British and proud to be Jewish, but I worry when Christian (British) vicars start "inter-faithing" with the Iranian government.
Out of interest checkout this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYojm0TRGPg

...Is he reacting to the will of the people? I suppose the next US election will be a gauge of that.
As for "the anti-Semitic movement" I'm not quite sure what that is. There are real fears within the British Jewish communities that anti-Semitism is rising. The synagogue I attend has a guard at the entrance during services now. Whilst I'm sure some people make the distinction between Israel (the state) and British Jews, well sadly, others do not. We are just clumped together. That's my experience as a Jew living life here today.

Kosher you were right in everything you say. Jews have been persecuted for a very long time and it's got to stop.

The unions backing this joker still think it's the 1970's obviously. Thank god Thatcher crushed them into dust never to recover, when she was in charge.

Kosher you were right in everything you say. Jews have been persecuted for a very long time and it's got to stop.

The unions backing this joker still think it's the 1970's obviously. Thank god Thatcher crushed them into dust never to recover, when she was in charge.

Jesus Christ agreeing with Fatty on this one

Also Mr 3Quid, when has there been a strike against a good employer?

I don't believe that unions are a bad thing. They were absolutely necessary in days gone by and they are absolutely necessary to protect the vulnerable and desperate from such obscenities as zero hours contracts.

I do think that they have a tendency to attract the extremists. The Socialist Worker crowd if you will. Unions should act as a partnership between employees and employers. It should not be antagonistic either way and neither should have an agenda to bring down the other.

Thats why people on the left of the Labour Party like him, but it's also why those on the Right seek to vilify him and smear him at every opportunity.

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I think the beauty of Corbyn is how it shows up the other Labour leader candidates for the dull, lifeless careerist no marks they are. Pretty sure they just thought they could turn up and whoever talked the best Tory-speak would get the nod. But when they've seen the numbers attending his meetings and seen the real desire working people have for a voice, they have whole-heartedly shite themselves. Can't say I agree with the £3 for a vote bollox - that was always going to bite whoever wins as its fairly easy to claim foul, and Im not a member of the Labour party so havent got a vote. But he's worth a punt even if it causes so much antagonism in the party that it splits it - the nu-labour types can fuck off to the Tories or Lib Dems (if they still exist) and leave a party of the left that might, just might, be worth voting for.

Incidentally, if might claim a little kudos..... I recently started a new job as MD of a company. One of the first things I've done is banished zero hours contracts and give them proper jobs. Economically it was wrong but morally I can't be doing with stitching up the half dozen lowest paid on the firm. Some tory I am!!

Chip. My dad was a miner and my grandfather died in a rock fall in Horden Pit 1943 leaving a wife and eight kids. Shown here on the excellent Durham Miners Museum website.

http://www.dmm.org.uk/colliery/h012.htm#i18467

My point Chip is that since the 70's things got a lot better and the strikes were about money not safety. The death toll had dropped to the levels of any other engineering industry by the late 70's. After a 9.5% pay rise in 81 (despite the unions call for a strike) they demanded 15% in 83 and were offered 5.3%. This was Scargill's chance to bring down the government as Gormley had done to Heath.

Obviously his chose his opponent very badly and any basic look at the coal stocks at the power stations would have told the NUM that they didn't have a chance. Yet again the miners were pawns in a bigger game.

Very interesting points Grabec. The Right Wing press keep chuntering on about how Corbyn wants to take us back to 1975, but whats significant about 75 in particual was that it represented the benchmark in this country in terms of an equal society. That was when the gap between the richest in scoiety amnd the poorest was at it's narrowest.

Since 1980, under both Labour and Conservative governments, the unions have been crushed and free market ecconomics left to run the rule. Those running the country have left the markets to it, and only stepped in when the markets fucked up, Black Monday, and the recent banking crisis. At that point they have ploughed in taxpayers money to prop up the system they tell us is the best there is.

As a consequence over the last 35 years the gap between rich and poor has grown ever wider. The weakest in society are routinely ostracised and blamed and punished, while the richest are held up as role models for us all. When they are caught evading tax, the general response is " Good on you, cant say I blame you "

We now have a very unequal society, and in many respects the UK ( if you ignore the inner city areas ) is divided roughly between a wealthy , prosperous South, where the governement spends our money investing in the infrastructure, and a poor, struggling North, which is starting to look like something from the 70's.

And therein lies the appeal of someone like Corbyn, who openly says in not so many words, fuck the rich, lets start looking after the working class. Thats why people on the left of the Labour Party like him, but it's also why those on the Right seek to vilify him and smear him at every opportunity.

I guess what those leader writers at the Murdoch papers, and The Daily Mail really fear, is someone who might expose their vile propoganda for what it actually is. You can see them thinking to themselves, " Hang on here, what if working class people stop blaming the sub human doleites and immigrants, and start pointing the finger at us, or God forbid the super-rich that pay our salaries ? "

Incidentally, if might claim a little kudos..... I recently started a new job as MD of a company. One of the first things I've done is banished zero hours contracts and give them proper jobs. Economically it was wrong but morally I can't be doing with stitching up the half dozen lowest paid on the firm. Some tory I am!!

In the 1970s, anything made in Asia, Japan excepted, was cheap, low-quality shite that nobody wanted. No company in their right mind outsourced to them.
Not these days though. If you try to make employers pay their workforce a decent wage, they just outsource the fuck out of everything. What is Corbyn's answer to that?

Who are Sports Direct outsourcing to like ?

Meanwhile we could all play a part by refusing to buy goods manufactured by third world workers who are paid about 6p a day so that we can have totally unnecessary things for next to nowt!

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Grabec, you have just touched upon an essential flaw in the socialist "egalitarian" premise.
Easy to work out what that flaw is.

And I am not suggesting there aren't also gaping plot holes in the capitalist version.
Which is one reason I maintain that presenting politics as a one-dimensional left-right continuum is just a huge con trick.

In the 1970s, anything made in Asia, Japan excepted, was cheap, low-quality shite that nobody wanted. No company in their right mind outsourced to them.
Not these days though. If you try to make employers pay their workforce a decent wage, they just outsource the fuck out of everything. What is Corbyn's answer to that?