Why have you made an analogy between NCFC and the banking sector? Is it because they accept credit cards as a form of payment or something?

If it is shown that Pools are the party at fault, why would you want the demise of NCFC?

If you find the allocation system complicated then how the hell are we supposed to be able to know the system?

Maybe the blame does lie with lack of communication with Pools but we wont know until they advise whether or not they were told about the 450 allocation.

You are basing everything you say on half baked assumptions, you don't speak for either club or the press.

It could be fair for me to assume that if Hartlepool United had been given such a tiny allocation It would be published on the clubs website, and in the press. It wasn't but clear ticketing information was;

http://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/page/ ... 97,00.html

Here is an example of an all ticket game as you clearly have no grasp of what one is;

http://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/page/ ... 10,00.html

For the good of the board, this thread should be bound over until tomorrow or until announcements are made (whichever is sooner).

There's nothing but bad to come from this until then.

There's no reason why it shouldn't be debated though. That's what a message board is for isn't it?

Whoever the blame lies with I don't think an away allocation of less than 2% of the stadium is anywhere near accpetable.

Surely the Football League have guidlines which Norwich City are falling way below?

I totally agree, but the crux of the topic is based on something we won't know for sure until, probably, tomorrow.

I thought Pools could have had up to 2,000 tickets?

Yes if we were prepared to pay for any unsold tickets, when Norwich's customer charter states they will accomodate a minimum off 2,000 away fans. Why should we!? They didn't fill the Rink End earlier in the season, shall we bill them?

Our allocation was 450, which is laughable in a 26,000 capacity.

If the demand is so high for tickets at Norwich they surely didn't need to tell us we had to pay for unsold tickets. They could have just told us to return the unsold allocation on Friday and re-sold them on the Saturday.

Which goes back to the point of what was agreed between the clubs, which means waiting until tomorrow.

Don't try and tell me that the Pools fans that didn't get in yesterday had turned up after reading the NCFC customer charter.

People want to know just before a few hours before kick off if they have a ticket.

The guy complaining about "2%" away allocation - if you'd wanted them you could have had 2000. Your club didn't want them - their choice.

"Don't try and tell me that the Pools fans that didn't get in yesterday had turned up after reading the NCFC customer charter"

Spot on. Assumptions were made.

Again, an assumption.

It is your clubs obligation to accommodate away supporters as well as home supporters, to only have room for 450 is pathetic and it smacks of greed.

If Pools were given 450 tickets I wonder how many they actually sold as to how many went down and paid at the gate.

For example if Pools had sold 250 that meant that they would have had to pay for the remaining unsold 200 tickets (if what the NCFC fans were saying is correct). However they got 450 in the ground anyway and as the game sold out then Norwich have made money on the sell-out PLUS the unsold away tickets.

Doesn't sound right to me.

No, it doesn't. It stinks of a club in £20m of debt wanting to minimise their losses.

You're making assumptions.

I missed the norwich game at the vic earlier in the season as I was at a wedding but I find it hard to believe that a MASSIVE club like Norwich didn't sell their allocation of tickets when they have millions of fans. I'm sure it is standard practice in the championship to take at least 1000 fans to away games.

"It is your clubs obligation to accommodate away supporters as well as home supporters, to only have room for 450 is pathetic and it smacks of greed."

We do accomodate away supportes - your club could have had 2000 tickets if they wanted. We don't "have room for only 450" - that is totally wrong.

So you think giving us 450 seats out of 26,000 is acceptable?

It's akin to being shoved in the corner out of the way at a dinner party, I'm well aware they are trying to minimise losses, it doesn't make it morally right. It’s not our fault they in so much debt.

I've not made any assumptions, we don't know where the blame lies but whoevers fault it is that allocation is totally wrong, as is being bullied into having to take a set number of tickets then to have to cough up if you don't sell them all.

Robbo, yesterday you only had room for 450.

No, it's from a bloke who can see that no-one will be proved right until announcements are made. Therefore, at the moment, the topic has gone as far as it can without risking it becoming silly.

I didn't call him a dick for suggesting otherwise. I said he was being a dick for his OTT reaction.

"So you think giving us 450 seats out of 26,000 is acceptable?"

If it isn't acceptable then take it up with your club - it is what they opted for. Like I keep saying - there was the choice to take more tickets up to a certain deadline - at which time their final request is that - the final - the balance go on sale to home fans.

In the past other clubs have taken an allocation & then when they have seen that they can sell more they have come back to us & increased their allooation.

If that's what was agreed between NCFC and Pools, then, yes. Totally.


Come on, comparing attending a football match to attending a dinner party? Are you serious?

When you take up the Ponsonby-Smythes' dinner party invite, do you have to hand cash over before they let you in?

Bullied? And you're not making assumptions?

Exactly what I was thinking.
I stopped posting to him, he's just looking to pick fault with anything and everything.
His comment on the charter is hilarious.
Every piece of information available to man suggests the Norwich City away end holds around 2000. As nobody informed us that a moving barrier system was in operation I knew that it was a pretty safe bet that i would have no problem getting in on the day.
So did more than 200 like me.
We all must be daft.
I'm gonna start shagging turkeys....it obviously makes you clairvoyant.

Just seen the stats and it says there was 400 poolies in the crowd. Now if we had been allocated 450 places, how didn't every body get in ?

Ah I see now...............You don't understand.................that explains it.

The Norwich fans are debating it here. There are some good posts but a few are moronic.

http://www.pinkun.com/cs_pinkun/cs/foru ... wPost.aspx

I certainly don't understand what 'shagging turkeys' is all about.

There were empty spaces.............I don't know how many...........but these seats were pointed out to the stewards. One steward said to me that I was wasting my time and that the club were getting more and more arsey about it. He did go away to inform his boss though, but came back and said no one else was getting in.
The whole of our area appeared to be standing, so that might have influenced the decision. Who knows.
I have looked on the Norwich website on their various ticketing pages and can't find any reference to matces being all ticket, or moving barriers.
There is nothing on the ground guide either.
I must have missed it................can anyone point it out to me??????

Then the blame sits firmly with Norwich for not selling the allocated places fully.

If this really is the case, how come your record attendance, in the current all seater set up at Carrow Road, is one of 25,522 in a 26,018 capacity stadium?

This season your home attendances have varied from 25,217 against Colchester, down to 23,981 against Orient, until the highest attendance yesterday of 25,506.

if there are so many members clambering for tickets, why have you never even come close to completely selling out your ground? After all it is so important that you get as much money as possible in to reduce your £60 million debt. In fact had you let the 25-30 locked out fans in yesterday you would have broken the record set against Man U in the premiershit.

Having been in Carrow Road yesterday, here's my opinion for what it's worth.

The locking out of 25-30 Pools fans is entirely the fault of Norwich City.

Regardless of what number of seats we were given, For the sake of showing why it's Norwich City's fault I will use the 450, that we were "supposedly" allocated.

If we had sold all 450 tickets at the Vic prior to the games then the STEWARDS covering the away end would have had to stand, because they were SITTING IN ALLOCATED AWAY SEATS. That is a fact,there were still empty seats as well near to the temporary segregation covering the seats between the home and away fans.

This situation is in my opinion due to the Norwich ticket office NOT being able to print more tickets off, they appeared to have run out of tickets to do so, (or with it being temporary segregation maybe give us less than 450 seats to give their fan's more, I'm not saying that the case but as they can move the segregation cover we will never know) this is from information received from groovy crimes from here when he tried to purchase a ticket to enter the ground. As although it states payment could be made on the day of the game the ticket had to be purchased from a ticket office, and money was not being taken at the turnstyles.

So from someone who was IN the ground I don't have to wait for either club to make an announcement tomorrow or any other time. As my opinion will be it's Norwich 's fault and nothing will make me change my mind.

As I have said I saw empty seats to cover the 25-30 who were locked out, move the stewards from seats they were occupying and you have more than enough.

Or is it part of Norwich's policy(under Health and Safety I bet) that the stewards need to be sat down for a certain number of minutes in 3 hours. I being sarcastic there.

After reading this entire thread 1 thing is very obvious........

......Waldo Pepper should start posting more often!! Nice to have someone with a brain on here.

ps all this "wait for an annoucement" tomorrow rubbish. No annoucement will change the fact that there was NOTHING written about the ticket limit on either website.

A simple message on either website and there would be no problem no?

Despite tickets often not being available, capacity is never reached. This is because the attendence figure is based on those in the ground for the game & not the number of tickets sold.
You will always get people who have tickets (season tickets or match days tickets) that are unable to make the game - for any variety of reasons - being at work, illness, weddings, traffic - whatever.
Other reasons we don't get capacity in the ground include lost seats to segregation and also away fans not selling their entire allocation.

We sold all off our allocation though. So you're saying 500 of your fans WITH tickets didn't turn up, for whatever reason!!

If the match was sold out - and I don't know - then it would have been down to Norwich fans not turning up - don't forget we have nearly 20,000 season ticket holders who have paid in advance for seats that can't be re-sold - plus however many seats were taken up by the netting segregating the two sets of fans

Plus any of your fans who had tickets but didn't turn up of course! >;o)

At the most that would account for 10's not 500. Similarly the netting would only cover 50-100 seats?

I think you'd be surprised at the numbers of people that have ST's that don't turn up. ST Holders are spread far & wide. There'll also be seats that Co's have bought for staff / to take guests along that don't get used for every game.
Like I say, the published attendence is those actually in the ground. If the game was a sell out and attendence was 500 less than capacity it's down to segregation of fans & fans who have tickets not turning up.
It's not as if there is some sinister other reason it would be that the club want to hide!

Fair enough if that is the case. It's hard for a fan of Little Artlepool to get his head around the idea of 500 fans with tickets not turning up. I suppose it's the equivalent of 50 of our season ticket holders not turning up.

I presume Norwich City have looked at ways of increasing the capacity of Carrow Road.

Apparently there is the ability to put another tier on our City stand (stand opposite away allocation, where the players come out / dug outs are) which would add, I think, another 10,000 seats.
Due to costs & the debt we have they said they wouldn't do that unti we're established in the premiership (so no time quick!!)

Bob's comment about the stewards sitting - that was up the sides - at the front they stood - blocking our view - I asked if we could move to the empty seats by the netting (were stewards were sat) - was told we couldn't sit there . . . and the stewards were in a real tizz - steward no 2 was ready to have a heart attack - as we had more in the away end than should have been as it was - apparently that was why they were allowed to stand at the back.

Simple solution was surley - move the netting over - another 20/30 seats available - all in!

How the feck has this thread got to 7 friggin pages

It will surpass that cnuting word association thread soon!

My apologies for not being in today to lock this fooking twaddle.