Boyd Signs for Leyton Orient

PooliePoolie · **Joined:** Thu May 17, 2007 5:05 pm **Posts:** 107

Boydie has signed for Leyton Orient on a free, we should have deffo got him back if he cost nowt

http://www.hartlepool.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=74639

Jonny · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:15 am

At 150k I thought that he was a bargin, for anything less we should of got him. That would of been a qality signing.......

ptbap · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:17 am

What the hell has he done at Luton for them to cancel his contract inside 12 months???

From £500,0000 to a free transfer, does nobody else hear the alarm bells?

ps. Bang goes our sell on money!

parmopooly · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:18 am

you just know he's going to do for us down at their place....we'll dominate but lose 2-1 to two typical pieces of skill from Boyd...........

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:51 am

parmopooly wrote:

you just know he's going to do for us down at their place....we'll dominate but lose 2-1 to two typical pieces of skill from Boyd...........

Will we fook. They will dominate but lose 2-1 to two Nelson piledrivers. You heard it here first.

GroovyCrimes · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:22 am

He must have really fecked up at Luton for them to give him to one of the opposition on a freebie.

Mute Witness · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:10 am **Posts:** 3572

I think he's taken a pay cut as well...

stpid

Spender · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:57 am

It's all conjecture now innit?? :roll:

BenCUFC · **Joined:** Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:08 pm **Posts:** 69

Apparently we were interested. Its very worrying for us if players would rather play for Orient than us.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:09 pm

ADG wrote:

So are you lot trying to convince yourselves that Boyd wasnt worth the gamble for free? stpid

It seems naive to me to imagine that Wilson brushed the idea off without serious consideration.
But DW has planned next season out and his plans involve Barker/Porter/Moore/Mackay, not Boyd.

Anyway here's your clue why Boyd has gone to Orient and not the Vic: "I want us to [be] the fittest team in the league. Ian Butterworth and I were looking at some stats a few weeks ago that said that the top four teams in the Premiership were the four fittest teams and that is something we can learn from."

Mick Tait's Head Bandage · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:20 pm

I'm amazed we didnt take him back....and for free aswell :roll:

Crying shame

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:00 pm

BenCUFC wrote:

Apparently we were interested. Its very worrying for us if players would rather play for Orient than us.

Ohhh me ribs....... :laugh:

LeicesterPoolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:48 pm **Posts:** 1278

Richard Head wrote

Quote:

It seems naive to me to imagine that Wilson brushed the idea off without serious consideration.
But DW has planned next season out and his plans involve Barker/Porter/Moore/Mackay, not Boyd.

So the logic there is, that Moore was signed when we couldn't get Duffy.
He's got a lot to live up to :!:

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:26 pm

Just let's put the context back that you took out shall we!

LeicesterPoolie wrote:

Richard Head wrote

Quote:

It seems naive to me to imagine that Wilson brushed the idea off without serious consideration.
But DW has planned next season out and his plans involve Barker/Porter/Moore/Mackay, not Boyd.
"I want us to [be] the fittest team in the league."

So the logic there is, that Moore was signed when we couldn't get Duffy.

Certainly not. The logic is DW and IB don't want any shirkers.

They're doing things their way and it seems to be working so far.
Listening to some people on here they ought to have signed ten half-decent opportunist strikers and no one else.

LeicesterPoolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:48 pm **Posts:** 1278

I'm not knocking their record or their intentions, no complaints on either score.

All I'm saying is if we had signed Duffy (as we were supposedly attempting to do)
would we still have signed Moore, or was Moore brought in when the Duffy deal
obviously wasn't going to happen.

Jonny · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:54 pm

We have missed out big style no matter how people dress it up. Rumour was that he also had his heart set on coming home. He scores and creates a lot of goals. We should of signed him. He is better than what we have...

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:00 pm

Judging by the alleged interest from other clubs for Moore I think we must have been negotiating with him for some time rather that switching targets at the last minute.
Perhaps Wilson abandoned the chase for Duffy a lot earlier than we think. Many seem to imagine we were after him right up to the minute he put pen to paper for the Taffs.
Whether we would have kept both Moore and Duffy is another question, and one which I'd guess we'll never know the answer to.

ptbap · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:01 pm

Of course he had his heart set on home. The easy option, back to his old stomping ground, back into his comfort zone.

That's a place you don't want Adam Boyd, in his comfort zone, you want him playing for his career, that's what Neale Cooper managed to do.

I'll say it again, £500,000 to a free transfer inside one season, WHY?

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:02 pm

Jonny wrote:

We have missed out big style no matter how people dress it up.

We have missed out big style according to YOUR vision of running the team.
But you aren't the one who so far has an encouraging record at Pools are you.

Jonny · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:17 pm

Signing adam for nothing is virtually risk free.! How hard is that for some people to understand? And dw is a good manager who would probably of got the best out of him. Boyd is a creative player that we could do with.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:22 pm

And DW is a manager who knows what he is doing. How hard is that to understand?

Jonny · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:35 pm

But dw still makes mistakes and i believe this is one of them. Boyd was running league one 2 years ago. He is one me pools best ever players, i think wilson is a good manager but he is not above criticism as far as i'm concerned.

ptbap · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:49 pm

The facts are he's had 18 successful months in his footballing career, that period ended in the summer of 2005.

I reckon he scored 43 goals in that period, that's 43 out of the 66 career goals he has scored since his professional career began in August 1999.

He was a risk, he was a risk for Luton at £500,000 as his goals were scored in the bottom two divisions. He'd be a risk for us because he'd come back as one of the clubs highest earners having played just a handful of games and scored only a handful of goals since a serious knee injury.

Don't they say never go back???

Splod · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:58 pm

I think Pools know more about the extent of the knee injury than any other club apart from Luton who have just written off £500k. Plus there is a problem with his attitude. I hope Boydy can return to some form but I have faith in DW knowing who he wants in his squad.

parmopooly · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:01 pm

if Boyd was at the peak of his game, nobody in their right mind would turn the chance down to have him in Pools team.
The sad fact is, that he hasn't been at his peak for two years, and he now has to prove himself all over again. I don't think Pools want to go through it all with him again, especially the drinking habits etc.

ptbap · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:02 pm

Exactly.

Miss Tigga · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:02 pm

I agree also.

Jonny · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:08 pm

The lad is 25. Gordon watson had a more serious injury than adam and pools took him on at an older age. Obviously i don't know the extent of his injury but he still looked decent at times towards the end of the relegation season. Its old hat now i suppose but i am very disappointed. Boyd could of been the difference between mid table and a play off push.
Hopefully the players we already have will do the business.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:14 pm

Jonny wrote:

The lad is 25. Gordon watson had a more serious injury than adam and pools took him on at an older age. Obviously i don't know the extent of his injury but he still looked decent at times towards the end of the relegation season. Its old hat now i suppose but i am very disappointed. Boyd could of been the difference between mid table and a play off push.
Hopefully the players we already have will do the business.

He could of been, and my aunty would be my uncle if she had a willy

PS

Gordon Watson was fitter and a more professional player the Boydie would EVER be

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:29 pm

If Adam sets league two on fire and we can't get goals for love or money then it could be argued Wilson has made a mistake.
That's not the case yet though, nor is there any reason to suppose it will be.
Using the same reasoning as wanting Boyd back, you can say we have already have Sweeney and Porter from that prolific season worth 30 goals between them. It's not being unreasonable either to say Barker should be good for 15 and Monkhouse 10.
True, there's no guarantee they will get those goals but there's none that Boyd will either.

In the meantime Wilson won't have to worry about someone in the squad who doesn't meet his fitness demands.
Not to mention any of another dozen factors Wilson might have perused before deciding he didn't want him.
So excuse me if I trust his judgement more than that of the people posting on this board.

Splod · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:32 pm

richard head wrote:

So excuse me if I trust his judgement more than that of the people posting on this board.

Could you change your avatar cos when I read your comments I'm hearing them in the voice of Jo Brand sadx

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:03 pm

Splod wrote:

Could you change your avatar cos when I read your comments I'm hearing them in the voice of Jo Brand sadx

I will never forgive you for that.

I went on Youtube to find out what her voice sounded like and chanced across Graham Norton. I now feel ill.

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:22 pm

What cannot be argued now is that getting £500,000 12 months ago was a fantastic piece of business. The proof in the pudding will be next season, but its down to him and nobody else, I can't see him being at his best at Leyton Orient though. Adam Boyd in the 2004/2005 season was the best player I have ever seen in a Pools shirt as absolute joy to watch he scored 29 but how many did he make?

Things move on although you'd be daft to say you wouldn't want him back at Pools if he was going play like that but who's to say he will? Him getting given a free transfer in such a short time is a sad reflection on Adam Boyd and nobody else. He shouldn't be a moving on a free to Leyton Orient at his age, like he should have never been close to signing for Boston United. Something is not right with the lad, he has the ability to be a top player in the Championship I have no doubt about that. I also have no doubt about him lacking the hunger and desire to ever make it to that level.

Splod · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:36 pm

richard head wrote:

Splod wrote:

Could you change your avatar cos when I read your comments I'm hearing them in the voice of Jo Brand sadx

I will never forgive you for that.

I went on Youtube to find out what her voice sounded like and chanced across Graham Norton. I now feel ill.

I would have apologised profusely if you had come across Russell Brand by mistake but Jo Brand to Graham Norton can't be my fault

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36686

I really don't see it working out for him at Orient, but at least we can put that particular bit of speculation to rest.

lestakev · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:39 pm

Another think regarding Boydy's move to Orient is that he asn't asked for a transfer so would be intitled to his contract being paid up in front. So i don't think that Orient got him on a free. That in my opinion would have been a big stumbling block and also his 3K wages.

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:45 pm

richard head wrote:

If Adam sets league two on fire and we can't get goals for love or money then it could be argued Wilson has made a mistake.

Orient are in League 1. No doubt we will allow Boydy to score as we always do with ex players

katcha · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:28 pm

(1) knee injury
(2) attitude
(3) salary
(4) newell factor
(5) out of form due to not playing
(6) social side

chip
how can you moan about watson being in the bookies
in the same breath that you mention boyd?

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22615

Watson was a great player for Pools but he was also the architect of the dressing room problems that we suffered for sometime with his 'this bus drives itself' statement. Some of the players took that far to literally.

linighan_sisters · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:14 pm

C'mon lads. Boydy vs Ian Moore? No contest. But Pools must still be subject to some rules about wage limits which kicked in at the start of last year. We still have a big squad and even if Boydy might be taking a cut, he will not be cheap. I'd accept that reason. But do not doubt that, with the right management, he can be a star.

parmopooly · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:23 pm

to be fair, Watson did the business week in week out, and his attitude while he was out there was always to win - and let any of his team mates know about it if they were slacking. Boydy has the ability of a top flight player on his day, but doesn't have the Watson mentality to do it every single time he's out there. The difference between them is you always knew what you were going to get with Watson, but the opposite is true of Boydy.

3Quid · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:11 pm **Posts:** 1791

I can never remember Watson scoring 29 goals in a season, infact he only scored 58 league goals in his full career.

Boyd certainly has the advantage over Watson, Adam's only 25 whereas Watson is nearly 37. :grin:

parmopooly · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:34 pm

Watson played most of his career in the top flight - where it's a lot harder to score goals, and where even the very best in the world might only notch nine or ten per season.
Boyd has failed at the level below that, not for ability, but for his attitude.

Cowboy · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:51 pm

parmopooly wrote:

Watson played most of his career in the top flight - where it's a lot harder to score goals, and where even the very best in the world might only notch nine or ten per season.
Boyd has failed at the level below that, not for ability, but for his attitude.

Well said sir

The fact that Luton have let him go on a free speaks volumes

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:10 pm

chip fireball wrote:

TalbotAvenger wrote:

Jonny wrote:

The lad is 25. Gordon watson had a more serious injury than adam and pools took him on at an older age. Obviously i don't know the extent of his injury but he still looked decent at times towards the end of the relegation season. Its old hat now i suppose but i am very disappointed. Boyd could of been the difference between mid table and a play off push.
Hopefully the players we already have will do the business.

He could of been, and my aunty would be my uncle if she had a willy

PS

Gordon Watson was fitter and a more professional player the Boydie would EVER be

never thought i would see the words gordon, watson, and professional in the same quote. the bloke spent more time in the bookies than he did on the training pitch.

boyd was assocciated with newell, and was on over 3k a week at luton.those are the main reason lutons were keen to get rid.
that is perfectly understandable.

boyd could have sat back for another 2 years and drawn wages most of us can only dream about for doing nish, but wanted to play first team football. he would have come back to pools but has gone to orient instead. the fact that he is prepared to take a big drop in money to play football suggests that he isnt worried about the knee injury. i suspect he is in a better position to know the extent of the injury than danny wilson.

wilson was never going to take him back, and wilson has earned the right to have that decision respected by the fans, including those like me that believe he was the best player they have ever seen in a pools shirt.

i wish him all the best. personally i think orient have made a brilliant signing.

moore isnt adam boyd and probably wont score 29 goals this season, but lets judge him once he has been here a few months.

Is Boyd your son then Chip, you seem to adore the likkle man

He is fat and spent, lazy with an attitude and I'll wager £100.00 that he'll do nowt next season

katcha · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:01 pm

chip - get over it we aint getting him back - simple.

Jonny · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:23 pm

The 18 months of success has been mentioned but that is the only time Boyd actually had a decent run in any side. He scored goals under Chris Turner / Mike Newell when Watson was here but after a bad game Turner would drop him. His goals per starts ratio is very impressive at Pools.

I know he has his faults, ability wise he is better than the level that he is playing

katcha · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:25 pm

Aye, watson may not have been the model pro but to come back from such a serious injury and even be arsed to turn out for Pools shows enough of the man that he was.

both he and boyd excited me as players and did theit job, but we've moved on now -surely

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:30 pm

chip fireball wrote:

ffs theres people on here should learn to read.

all i said was that gordon watson was not a model professional. mickey barron, yes model pro, ritchie humphries yes, model pro. but gordon watson .

he would be one of the last people you would want your young pros around.

at no point on this thread have i said that wilson should have signed him, in fact ive said that wilson has earned the right to sign whoever he wants and as fans of the football club we should judge the striker he has signed once we have seen him play and not before.

talbot, it has to be said, wouldnt know a decent footballer if he saw one in his living room through binoculars.

Why wouldnt I know a decent footballer, Tommy Miller, Robbie Mac, Paul Dalton, Paul Baker, Humpty, Jack Ross, Don Hutchinson, Joe Allon, James Brown etc etc

Just because I wont worship at the alter of chip and and Boyd, eh?, oh yes I forgot you d' man, arent you chip, you knock about with the players and the WAGS and play a bit of Sundday League, so that puts me in my place, doesnt it!

I cannot recall rumors, and thats all they may be, of GW being pissed up round the town, or getting chased naked across a field by an a birds very angry boyfriend

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Neither Watson or Boyd were model pros.

Why risk upsetting our dressing room by taking a chance on Boyd? Our team is about spirit and togetherness, Boyd would not help matters on that front. He obviously has problems and Wilson will know all about them before making his decision. We have enough strikers and id be gutted to see him bring Boyd in.

Yeah he has brilliant ability and vision but his 2 downfalls-attitude and lack of pace will always stop him reaching the top.

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