Moderators and Politics

[Pooly_Imp]

Can we have the football separate from the politics again please? Preferably with the politics not on an open forum. Everyone can still participate in what they want to and you won't have to change the way you moderate (not asking for that). What do you think? Any chance?

[Poolie27]

That would make sense. We're supposed to be a footy forum but it gets very heated on here as everyone,understandably, has their own views.

[Snowy]

If it’s going to be a football only forum with the other stuff separate, this place will be like a ghost town….like a lot of the boards who operate like that…lots of activity pre and post match then dead…good territory for obsessives but boring to human beings.
If you don't like the political stuff don’t read the political stuff, don’t read anything you ain’t interested in…it’s like saying get rid of electric sockets you can get a shock if you stick your todger in …well don’t stick it in then.

I hope it’s nowt to do with a certain Party’s followers getting a bit twitchy because they get hammered on here on a regular basis for being totally useless….and losing the plot.
Call me suspicious, but nowt surprise's me.

[PTID]

If it ain't broke don't fix it.
If there's going to be a change can we have a vote please?

[Pooly_Imp]

Its f*****g broke alright. I haven't seen any other duty forum where this happens and for bloody good reason.

[Flying Hogans]

Can we have the football separate from the politics again please? Preferably with the politics not on an open forum. Everyone can still participate in what they want to and you won't have to change the way you moderate (not asking for that). What do you think? Any chance?

The 'you don't have to read them' argument will be along any minute and it's absolutely true.

It's equally true that most of the people who come on here to make a comment about Pools or the ownership saga don't use it to exchange political opinions. Maybe because there's loads of other places where you can do that?

This is the only forum where any Poolie can come on (without a private invitation ) to agree or disagree with other Poolies about the only thing that unites us all - we support this football club.

The real argument for not having a stand alone politics area of The Bunker is that it would die on it's arse in no time.

[Snowy]

The real argument for not having a stand alone politics area of The Bunker is that it would die on it's arse in no time.

So very true, seen too many boards disappear like that, this is a market place of a board….loud, brash and you don’t have to buy something off every stall….with football only boards by Thursday you have two posters on line discussing the make of rivets used to fabricate the floodlights…..it becomes tediously boring.

Also given the news blackout we’ve suffered the past few months we’ll end trying to contact the other side with a feckin seance.

[Pooly_Imp]

Can we have the football separate from the politics again please? Preferably with the politics not on an open forum. Everyone can still participate in what they want to and you won't have to change the way you moderate (not asking for that). What do you think? Any chance?

The 'you don't have to read them' argument will be along any minute and it's absolutely true.

It's equally true that most of the people who come on here to make a comment about Pools or the ownership saga don't use it to exchange poltical opinions. Maybe because there's loads of other places where you can do that?

This is the only forum where any Poolie can come on (without a private invitation ) to agree or disagree with other Poolies about the only thing that unites us all - we support this football club.

The real argument for not having a stand alone politics area of The Bunker is that it would die on it's arse in no time.

Good.

[PTID]

Be like a panto at the moment with the dearth of info or meaningful matches - "the new keepers shite" "oh no he isn't" ......
I'm sure once the season kicks off the majority of threads will be about football, club ownership, etc

[MutleyRules]

If it’s going to be a football only forum with the other stuff separate, this place will be like a ghost town….like a lot of the boards who operate like that…lots of activity pre and post match then dead…good territory for obsessives but boring to human beings.
If you don't like the political stuff don’t read the political stuff, don’t read anything you ain’t interested in…it’s like saying get rid of electric sockets you can get a shock if you stick your todger in …well don’t stick it in then.

I hope it’s nowt to do with a certain Party’s followers getting a bit twitchy because they get hammered on here on a regular basis for being totally useless….and losing the plot.
Call me suspicious, but nowt surprise's me.

I disagree with separate forums but it does look quite a LOT shitty for the Pools No.1 Message Forum...open to any fan of any team to view...a place you can read some horrible horrible stuff posted by mainly Bitter Auld Men.
Shoot me down....but it's 100% true.
Shoot me.

[Snowy]

I believe people can express any view (within reason) providing people don’t resort to vile or abusive language, …. but one man’s opinion is as valid as another man’s opinion..whether either one is correct is in the hands of the Gods..

[Pooly_Imp]

I believe people can express any view (within reason) providing people don’t resort to vile or abusive language, …. but one man’s opinion is as valid as another man’s opinion..whether either one is correct is in the hands of the Gods..

Didn't ask for any of that to stop, just for it to be separate and perhaps private. It gets toxic. That's why no other clubs mix it up. I've checked out loads of forums looking for the opposition view on things and none of that is in there.

[Snowy]

Be like a panto at the moment with the dearth of info or meaningful matches - "the new keepers shite" "oh no he isn't" ......
I'm sure once the season kicks off the majority of threads will be about football, club ownership, etc

True, as no football news of any worth and with the absence of news, a vacuum has to be filled and nature abhors a vacuum.

[Snowy]

I believe people can express any view (within reason) providing people don’t resort to vile or abusive language, …. but one man’s opinion is as valid as another man’s opinion..whether either one is correct is in the hands of the Gods..

Didn't ask for any of that to stop, just for it to be separate and perhaps private. It gets toxic. That's why no other clubs mix it up. I've checked out loads of forums looking for the opposition view on things and none of that is in there.

Football itself can get really toxic too, do we quarantine that as well.
If you are going to put different topics under different headings what’s the difference between how it is now, it’s still under a different heading that needn’t be read….putting on a separate forum would change nothing, it would still be accessible, unless you ban it completely.

[Pooly_Imp]

I believe people can express any view (within reason) providing people don’t resort to vile or abusive language, …. but one man’s opinion is as valid as another man’s opinion..whether either one is correct is in the hands of the Gods..

Didn't ask for any of that to stop, just for it to be separate and perhaps private. It gets toxic. That's why no other clubs mix it up. I've checked out loads of forums looking for the opposition view on things and none of that is in there.

Football itself can get really toxic too, do we quarantine that as well.
If you are going to put different topics under different headings what’s the difference between how it is now, it’s still under a different heading that needn’t be read….putting on a separate forum would change nothing, it would still be accessible, unless you ban it completely.

Its how most forums do it. Football discussions get nowhere near as bad. We might even get more contributers if things stick to the football.

[PTID]

Or we might get less, who knows?

[Pooly_Imp]

Or we might get less, who knows?

Well I've not heard anyone admiring the bunker for it's political discussions but I have heard the opposite.

[Smokin Joe]

Sorry but this proposed initiative smacks of 'Cancellation Culture' at its worst.

[Pooly_Imp]

Sorry but this proposed initiative smacks of 'Cancellation Culture' at its worst.

Why? No bugger would be getting cancelled Stocksfield could still bo his worst.

[Snowy]

It’s how most forums do it. Football discussions get nowhere near as bad. We might even get more contributers if things stick to the football.

Doesn’t get ‘nowhere near as bad’…..so we’d attract more people…..?….. which usually boils down to a two sided slogathon about whose right and whose wrong…sounds like politics of football to me.
Sounds tedious to me….just more people doubling up to choose point 1 or point 2 but about football.
I doubt you’ll get more, are people that timid they’re put off by politics….nah.

[Jamie1952]

I believe people can express any view (within reason) providing people don’t resort to vile or abusive language, …. but one man’s opinion is as valid as another man’s opinion..whether either one is correct is in the hands of the Gods..

Or your hands Snowy,

[Snowy]

I believe people can express any view (within reason) providing people don’t resort to vile or abusive language, …. but one man’s opinion is as valid as another man’s opinion..whether either one is correct is in the hands of the Gods..

Or your hands Snowy,

And I can challenge a viewpoint too….it’s called debate, there are some people who can’t ….but that’s life.

[Pooly_Imp]

It’s how most forums do it. Football discussions get nowhere near as bad. We might even get more contributers if things stick to the football.

Doesn’t get ‘nowhere near as bad’…..so we’d attract more people…..?….. which usually boils down to a two sided slogathon about whose right and whose wrong…sounds like politics of football to me.
Sounds tedious to me….just more people doubling up to choose point 1 or point 2 but about football.
I doubt you’ll get more, are people that timid they’re put off by politics….nah.

You're thinking about it far too much. Its the political windbagerry and 'edgey' stuff separated from the football. That's it.

[PTID]

I tend to categorise them based on the thread title then decide wether to read and participate.
Plenty of windbaggery and edgey stuff on here relating to all topics including football. In fact the football related stuff was so edgey recently it resulted in a serious threat of legal action!
There's definitely been as much vitriol on here regarding football threads to have put off casual or prospective contributors as there has been non football stuff imho.

[Pooly_Imp]

Political threads have praised Tommy Robinson, said that black players shouldn't play for England and that Muslims. There's one fans forum in the country where that could be mixed in directly and openly with what people think of the new left back. That is no kind of normal.

[PTID]

And football threads have accused people of corruption, theft, abuse of pensioners, and worse.
You could always start your own football only forum if this one is so offensive to you?

[Snowy]

You're thinking about it far too much. It’s the political windbagerry and 'edgey' stuff separated from the football. That's it.

No, it appears you are thinking about it far too much…I can roll with the banter.

[Snowy]

Political threads have praised Tommy Robinson, said that black players shouldn't play for England and that Muslims. There's one fans forum in the country where that could be mixed in directly and openly with what people think of the new left back. That is no kind of normal.

So everyone has to suffer because the odd post is offensive to others…?
If it’s illegal the moderators should remove it , but one man’s offence taken is another man’s point of view …so it’s a balancing act most of the time….. and if it became all football, that same attitude would be apparent with football comments which can be quite offensive too and the perpetrators are oblivious to their own offence they give out.

[Stocksfield_Poolie]

Whatever happened to the good old saying "Sticks and Stones...."

[Pooly_Imp]

Political threads have praised Tommy Robinson, said that black players shouldn't play for England and that Muslims. There's one fans forum in the country where that could be mixed in directly and openly with what people think of the new left back. That is no kind of normal.

So everyone has to suffer because the odd post is offensive to others…?
If it’s illegal the moderators should remove it , but one man’s offence taken is another man’s point of view …so it’s a balancing act most of the time….. and if it became all football, that same attitude would be apparent with football comments which can be quite offensive too and the perpetrators are oblivious to their own offence they give out.

Get with the times Snowy. You think these kinds of views don't have reputational damage to us? I know the way you'd like the world to be but it isn't ever going to be that way.

[Kettering Poolie]

There is quite a lot of politics on the board at the moment - though I mainly put that down to the close season and the lack of ANY information coming out of the club about anything- so it kind of fills the void.

I rarely comment on political threads as I've not come on here to express my views on that- and it can quickly disintegrate into a slanging match between entrenched views. For instance I find Tommy Robinson quite odious and divisive so didn't even bother to read the thread let alone waste my time commenting.

Once the season is finally underway in about 3 weeks time- we'll have plenty to argue about - players who have impressed, or look shite/ new sick note, formations, the manager and how he's doing as well as the oppo, away days, refs and loyal's alternative match reports!
Then there's the situation with the Rajanator (I whispered that)!

Ultimately I just like talking about Pools and generally taking the piss - it's a bit of escapism from the everyday grind.

[Pooly_Imp]

Whatever happened to the good old saying "Sticks and Stones...."

Its meaningless like a lot of old bollocks phrases.

[accrington fan]

Whatever happened to the good old saying "Sticks and Stones...."

that was cancelled years ago.

[accrington fan]

we have different thread on different topics. could easily create a political thread only to find after a few comments and replies somebody goes off topic and end up talking about a new player or chips on the same thread. guess we have all gone off topic at times but thats the worst thing bout the bunker. however is it the same on other clubs messageboards.

[PTID]

It's as true today as it was the day it was first said. Hurty words never hurt as much as physical violence do they?
It's people funding offense in almost anything said or done that they disagree with that is bollocks.

[Pooly_Imp]

It's as true today as it was the day it was first said. Hurty words never hurt as much as physical violence do they?
It's people funding offense in almost anything said or done that they disagree with that is bollocks.

Thanks Mr Expert on everything.

[derwent]

Can we have the football separate from the politics again please? Preferably with the politics not on an open forum. Everyone can still participate in what they want to and you won't have to change the way you moderate (not asking for that). What do you think? Any chance?

Discussions about current affairs which affect all of our lives are on the lips of most people these days and seeing those topics appear on here is no surprise and realistically the topics are expected.
As long as the topics or posts are legal and don't threaten the forum or it's members then they are legitimate. The normal response to your request Mr Imp is if you don't want to read or discuss certain topics then you are free to ignore them.
you are also free to find another forum more suitable to your personal tastes and beliefs.
Ever since it's inception this forum has included political comment, debate or argument. It's not new and I suspect there is a bit of embarrassment around when people who put their faith in Starmer and his Government realise they are getting change but not exactly the change they expected.
I don't want to see or encourage different departments to appear simply because individuals or indeed groups dislike what they are reading.
Whilst I respect your request and your right to express it, I feel it is not in the best interests of the forum to follow your suggestion. That is my judgement as moderator but you are free to approach the owner as always.

[derwent]

It's as true today as it was the day it was first said. Hurty words never hurt as much as physical violence do they?
It's people funding offense in almost anything said or done that they disagree with that is bollocks.

Thanks Mr Expert on everything.

Now now Mr Imp, no need to lower the tone. There is no record on here even suggesting Mr PTID considers he knows everything. Argue your case by all means but please allow others to disagree with you without getting personal about it.

[Pooly_Imp]

Can we have the football separate from the politics again please? Preferably with the politics not on an open forum. Everyone can still participate in what they want to and you won't have to change the way you moderate (not asking for that). What do you think? Any chance?

Discussions about current affairs which affect all of our lives are on the lips of most people these days and seeing those topics appear on here is no surprise and realistically the topics are expected.
As long as the topics or posts are legal and don't threaten the forum or it's members then they are legitimate. The normal response to your request Mr Imp is if you don't want to read or discuss certain topics then you are free to ignore them.
you are also free to find another forum more suitable to your personal tastes and beliefs.
Ever since it's inception this forum has included political comment, debate or argument. It's not new and I suspect there is a bit of embarrassment around when people who put their faith in Starmer and his Government realise they are getting change but not exactly the change they expected.
I don't want to see or encourage different departments to appear simply because individuals or indeed groups dislike what they are reading.
Whilst I respect your request and your right to express it, I feel it is not in the best interests of the forum to follow your suggestion. That is my judgement as moderator but you are free to approach the owner as always.

Well thanks for responding. You're off the mark with me and Starmer. I'm like Snowy, it doesn't matter what colour the rosette on the chest. Go for who you think is least shit. I do advocate ignoring what you don't want to read. Unfortunately there are many in here who seem incapable, perhaps it's a more complex filtering skill than I imagined. I thought perhaps compartmentalising subjects might help. It works for many many others. The willingness to have quite extreme views expressed openly alongside quite innocent Pools related matters that outsiders can, will and do freely access is weird. You won't find it elsewhere, probably for good reason. Of course the old dinosaurs are going to reject change. Its in their nature and it is they who are doing the windbagging. But you're right, I AM free to find a forum elsewhere or even not at all. I would suggest that as it's the same old buggers (said not in a particularly unfriendly way) doing the same old gum bumping that many are choosing the latter.

[Pooly_Imp]

It's as true today as it was the day it was first said. Hurty words never hurt as much as physical violence do they?
It's people funding offense in almost anything said or done that they disagree with that is bollocks.

Thanks Mr Expert on everything.

Now now Mr Imp, no need to lower the tone. There is no record on here even suggesting Mr PTID considers he knows everything. Argue your case by all means but please allow others to disagree with you without getting personal about it.

Look closer, look longer, look between the lines.

[Grayhoundend]

Whatever happened to the good old saying "Sticks and Stones...."

Its meaningless like a lot of old bollocks phrases.

Pro nouns

[Grayhoundend]

It's as true today as it was the day it was first said. Hurty words never hurt as much as physical violence do they?
It's people funding offense in almost anything said or done that they disagree with that is bollocks.

Thanks Mr Expert on everything.

Digital IDs yummy

[Grayhoundend]

Can we have the football separate from the politics again please? Preferably with the politics not on an open forum. Everyone can still participate in what they want to and you won't have to change the way you moderate (not asking for that). What do you think? Any chance?

Discussions about current affairs which affect all of our lives are on the lips of most people these days and seeing those topics appear on here is no surprise and realistically the topics are expected.
As long as the topics or posts are legal and don't threaten the forum or it's members then they are legitimate. The normal response to your request Mr Imp is if you don't want to read or discuss certain topics then you are free to ignore them.
you are also free to find another forum more suitable to your personal tastes and beliefs.
Ever since it's inception this forum has included political comment, debate or argument. It's not new and I suspect there is a bit of embarrassment around when people who put their faith in Starmer and his Government realise they are getting change but not exactly the change they expected.
I don't want to see or encourage different departments to appear simply because individuals or indeed groups dislike what they are reading.
Whilst I respect your request and your right to express it, I feel it is not in the best interests of the forum to follow your suggestion. That is my judgement as moderator but you are free to approach the owner as always.

Well thanks for responding. You're off the mark with me and Starmer. I'm like Snowy, it doesn't matter what colour the rosette on the chest. Go for who you think is least shit. I do advocate ignoring what you don't want to read. Unfortunately there are many in here who seem incapable, perhaps it's a more complex filtering skill than I imagined. I thought perhaps compartmentalising subjects might help. It works for many many others. The willingness to have quite extreme views expressed openly alongside quite innocent Pools related matters that outsiders can, will and do freely access is weird. You won't find it elsewhere, probably for good reason. Of course the old dinosaurs are going to reject change. Its in their nature and it is they who are doing the windbagging. But you're right, I AM free to find a forum elsewhere or even not at all. I would suggest that as it's the same old buggers (said not in a particularly unfriendly way) doing the same old gum bumping that many are choosing the latter.

May be thats why the Bunker is unique

[Stocksfield_Poolie]

I am happy that people can say what they like, free speech etc, as long as it is not a pack of lies.
The same with people's opinion and viewpoints, bring it on!
A debate could be on any subject at all and if argued and debated correctly, no harm in it at all.

[Pooly_Imp]

Can we have the football separate from the politics again please? Preferably with the politics not on an open forum. Everyone can still participate in what they want to and you won't have to change the way you moderate (not asking for that). What do you think? Any chance?

Discussions about current affairs which affect all of our lives are on the lips of most people these days and seeing those topics appear on here is no surprise and realistically the topics are expected.
As long as the topics or posts are legal and don't threaten the forum or it's members then they are legitimate. The normal response to your request Mr Imp is if you don't want to read or discuss certain topics then you are free to ignore them.
you are also free to find another forum more suitable to your personal tastes and beliefs.
Ever since it's inception this forum has included political comment, debate or argument. It's not new and I suspect there is a bit of embarrassment around when people who put their faith in Starmer and his Government realise they are getting change but not exactly the change they expected.
I don't want to see or encourage different departments to appear simply because individuals or indeed groups dislike what they are reading.
Whilst I respect your request and your right to express it, I feel it is not in the best interests of the forum to follow your suggestion. That is my judgement as moderator but you are free to approach the owner as always.

Well thanks for responding. You're off the mark with me and Starmer. I'm like Snowy, it doesn't matter what colour the rosette on the chest. Go for who you think is least shit. I do advocate ignoring what you don't want to read. Unfortunately there are many in here who seem incapable, perhaps it's a more complex filtering skill than I imagined. I thought perhaps compartmentalising subjects might help. It works for many many others. The willingness to have quite extreme views expressed openly alongside quite innocent Pools related matters that outsiders can, will and do freely access is weird. You won't find it elsewhere, probably for good reason. Of course the old dinosaurs are going to reject change. Its in their nature and it is they who are doing the windbagging. But you're right, I AM free to find a forum elsewhere or even not at all. I would suggest that as it's the same old buggers (said not in a particularly unfriendly way) doing the same old gum bumping that many are choosing the latter.

May be thats why the Bunker is unique

Uniquely what though?

[Snowy]

It's as true today as it was the day it was first said. Hurty words never hurt as much as physical violence do they?
It's people funding offense in almost anything said or done that they disagree with that is bollocks.

Thanks Mr Expert on everything.

Now now Mr Imp, no need to lower the tone. There is no record on here even suggesting Mr PTID considers he knows everything. Argue your case by all means but please allow others to disagree with you without getting personal about it.

Look closer, look longer, look between the lines.

I’ll get Poirot in to check it out.
I think you’re entering another realm here, there is no hidden message or agenda, it’s a message board.

[Snowy]

Can we have the football separate from the politics again please? Preferably with the politics not on an open forum. Everyone can still participate in what they want to and you won't have to change the way you moderate (not asking for that). What do you think? Any chance?

Discussions about current affairs which affect all of our lives are on the lips of most people these days and seeing those topics appear on here is no surprise and realistically the topics are expected.
As long as the topics or posts are legal and don't threaten the forum or it's members then they are legitimate. The normal response to your request Mr Imp is if you don't want to read or discuss certain topics then you are free to ignore them.
you are also free to find another forum more suitable to your personal tastes and beliefs.
Ever since it's inception this forum has included political comment, debate or argument. It's not new and I suspect there is a bit of embarrassment around when people who put their faith in Starmer and his Government realise they are getting change but not exactly the change they expected.
I don't want to see or encourage different departments to appear simply because individuals or indeed groups dislike what they are reading.
Whilst I respect your request and your right to express it, I feel it is not in the best interests of the forum to follow your suggestion. That is my judgement as moderator but you are free to approach the owner as always.

Well thanks for responding. You're off the mark with me and Starmer. I'm like Snowy, it doesn't matter what colour the rosette on the chest. Go for who you think is least shit. I do advocate ignoring what you don't want to read. Unfortunately there are many in here who seem incapable, perhaps it's a more complex filtering skill than I imagined. I thought perhaps compartmentalising subjects might help. It works for many many others. The willingness to have quite extreme views expressed openly alongside quite innocent Pools related matters that outsiders can, will and do freely access is weird. You won't find it elsewhere, probably for good reason. Of course the old dinosaurs are going to reject change. Its in their nature and it is they who are doing the windbagging. But you're right, I AM free to find a forum elsewhere or even not at all. I would suggest that as it's the same old buggers (said not in a particularly unfriendly way) doing the same old gum bumping that many are choosing the latter.

May be thats why the Bunker is unique

Uniquely what though?

Uniquely open to opinions, even the ones you don’t agree with.
Everyone is allowed an opinion, there is no fixed set of beliefs, people differ, cope with it, no one has the monopoly on setting moral values or standards, it’s just life as it’s lived.

[Krampesh]

I think a lot of people are missing the point though. No one is saying you can't have an opinion, just that they'd prefer that threads about football and other topics are kept separate. It doesn't mean your views aren't allowed or you're being censored, just that there are separate parts of the bunker for football and other topics. You can post away to your hearts content about whatever you want still.

[Stocksfield_Poolie]

You can move the threads anywhere you like, they will still end up involving a debate between Snowy and Jamie!

[Krampesh]

You can move the threads anywhere you like, they will still end up involving a debate between Snowy and Jamie!

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