Winning away at Forest Green totally shit game and nothing at all special tonight from either but heed winning 0-2 but its yet another 2 teams in the top 7. We cant get near the playoffs fook me Raj has so much to answer for both here and at Darlo.

Most of the damage at Darlo was already done after Gorgeous George, then those who took over from him and were only after the ground, the club was stripped bare by his predecessors before Raj did his bit.

Ok lets go with that as the total truth. What about the total and utter fookup of Pools by the very same man then.

Not a total f*ck up, in terms of our position we're about where we were when he arrived so overall no change really. We were also days away from Admin whereas we're in good financial shape according to him, we're certainly not on the cliff edge. He was thebonlyboption when he stepped in, now they're telling us there's a couple of alternative buyers in discussions for a take over.
He gave us the good times of promotion and the Cup runs, but huge disappointment that we couldn't consolidate ourselves as an efl club, and that was down to dodgy decisions and recruitment of both players and managers.
Let's hope the next owners are the real deal and take us forward again.

We have nothing to lose going forward really if it works out wonderful if not no worse off including starting over from scratch. But regards Raj and all that time wasted we are no further forward in real terms and basically right back down to where we started when he took over. So obviously I am not impressed along with most other supporters. He could of and bloody well should of pushed things on after falling literally on promotion but instead thought he was untouchable in my opinion and that in turn put us right back to square one. That is just my opinion PTID like you have yours.

I agree totally that we should have pushed on and consolidated in div 2.
But we're not on the verge of bankruptcy or relegation so in some respects we're avtad better off now than on the day he took over. That's fact and therefore the comparison with Darlo is chalk and cheese is all I'm saying. I'm as pissed off as anyone that we didn't stay up, and that we've not made the play offs again. But we're still standing and potentially we've got better owners ready to step up.

3 or 4 of their players, I'd have here in a heartbeat.

he did not bankroll our good times they happened despite of him and its only the manager and the players we should thank for that. just hate how football has become where its more about the club owners than what we turn up to see the players who are managed well by a proffesional and not an ameteur in the boardroom who are only there because of the cash.

So when times are good it's nothing to do with the chairman, when they're bad it's everything to do with the chairman?
We could easily have made the play offs this season, but we had what half a dozen red cards in the first dozen matches which cost us heavily in lost points - stupidity of players at fault not chairman.
Then we had "defend a point from the first minute to the last" Lennie sending out teams not to lose instead of going to win, he'd conceded certain games before kick off ffs - managers fault not chairman.
Raj has got lots to answer for and it's cost us and him in the long term, but more costly has been players and managers f*cking up big style this season.

good and bad times are equally nothing to do with chairman/owners unless they are bankrolling a club or doing there best to kill it. they all both good and bad get far more publicity than needed. its getting to a point where they are better known than players and managers of clubs are.

Correct Raj did save the club, funded promotion with little credit. Now after some poor management choices that were highly recommended that looked good on paper and poor performances it’s all his fault. Who would be a chairman. There was an organised demonstration by D&R fans with banners and people holding sheets with OUT on lots of anti board chants, soon disappeared when they equalised.

That was Challinors promotion not Raj's.

its the modern way of blaming the board or an owner for the ills of the club. fine doing that if its proved the owner is shafting the club some way. think n our case managers have all had reasonable budgets but have been wasted by there own bad decisions or attempts to change the identity of the club.

If you think Raj doesn't have an awful lot to do with our lack of achievement then you've been living under a rock or in la la land for the last few years.

Bit I sort of get it. Lincoln City is being run brilliantly but still get some criticism.

We’ll never know the truth, but have we the right to.

he has made some very poor decisions in recruitment of managers or at least listened to the wrong people. thats more or less the end of it as they have wasted the budget given to them, employed shit tacticts that the vast majority of fans disagreed with. all that left him with a zero option but get rid of the majority of them. i,d guess he has wasted more money than many owners of clubs have by his original actions but no way it was expected at the outset. bit like politicians he has got stick for actions brought on the club by faceless advisors and listening to them.

why, we are only fans who put our money into the club. again its modern football where we are less important and needed as we once where with one sponsors deal bringing more into a club than we do in a lifetime.

There is enough truth out there to know this isn't just a manager thing.

But it’s all completely on Challinor that got Pools promoted?

I don't think Raj did ANYTHING exceptional or out of the ordinary in that season that's any different to the other seasons when we've used threee managers loads of players and washed up somewhere in mid table. The difference was DC.

But I do acknowledge that he did RUN the club. It functioned. It survived but it actually needs to LIVE not just survive.

I liked Chan as a man and manager and still do, But think he was fortunate with recruitment.
His NO nonsense approach with players, And his love of the fan base said it all.

What are these truths that are out there - it's all smoke and mirrors, rumours, and guesswork.

When Raj took over we were on a life support machine. I don’t have any feelings one way or another about Pools chairman’s probably since Harold Hornsey. Without the funds Raj made available for Armstrong would Pools have made promotion?

Error, we've been shite and the club has been in chaos. Anything else?

Armstrong was an out of favour league 2 striker with an averagely performing club. Bread and butter loan material for all NL clubs.

But we got him, Challinor went out and scouted him dozens of times, then went to his house and woed him to Pools with promises of a copy of the secrets of Verrils opening times, paid his wages out of his own pocket and gave him a bonus foot long hot dog from his own personal vendor. Challinor did the lot all by himself, even went and personally brought in our penalty saving hero goalkeeper on loan.
Don't know what the definition of a club in chaos is, but we're far from many of the real existential problems at Pools that I've witnessed in my lifetime.
Still waiting for these truths btw?

Perhaps DC did have a massive part of getting him here and getting him firing on all cylinders. I can you tell you something for certain, it wasn't Raj

The burden of proof is on you my friend. Things have been shit and it has been debacle after debacle. You're absolutely nuts if you think it's been anything but that and you are in a tiny minority.

All history now.

Not quite yet.

You stated the truth is out there, so the burden is on you to provide the rest of us with the truth and the proof to support it this truth.

"Errrr, we've been shite and the club has been in chaos. Anything else?"

Any mistruth in the above? No?

It's outrageous to believe that just because the levels of chaos in HUFC didn't quite get to Southendesque levels then everything is OK. We've been run poorly and no HUFC fan should find that acceptable.

We were in way more chaos before Raj arrived, remember the Save Pools DAY, we were days away from Administration with nobody interested in buying us. Any mistruth in that.
Today we are not on the edge of Administration, any mistruth in that.
Is it acceptable, of course it is because WE can't change it. Is it desirable absolutely not.

I think Raj's main issue has been one of poor man-management, of football staff.

The biggest disappointment for me was how Raj handled contract negotiations with DC, after we got promoted. Went on far too long and should have been handled a lot better- rather than twisting over a few quid.

My second biggest disappointment was DC walking away three months into his new contract- Had Raj acted quicker to reward him earlier, coupled with a decent transfer budget- think that may have made it more difficult for DC to walk.

After being whelmed by the appointment of Graeme Lee (after a ridiculously long process)- my 3rd biggest disappointment was how he was dispatched before the last game of the season, only to be succeeded by the disastrous Paul Hartley- which cost us our league place and we were saddled with his shit players for two seasons. Everything since then ultimately goes back to this and penny pinching.

Then this season was ruined by Uncle Darren - a charlatan of epic proportions, and we've had to deal with the fallout since.

Give Mr Smithers the job to allow some continuity over the summer and into next season.

Why am I getting into this? The real question is, why are you STILL busting a gut to scrape a defence together for Raj?

Not defending him at all, just giving a few truths. The truth is we're better off now than when he took over.

Like I said, it’s history and hopefully coming to an end, because if it doesn’t end, God knows what the future is.
Despite everything, the apathy of supporters is what I find depressing….Message boards are full of chest beating tub thumping shadow boxing…it was all hot air…if we could have a physical demonstration in the early 70’s… which on reflection at a club that really was on the bones of it’s arse (and looking back now realise was a locally owned outfit living on shit gates). Would it have hurt to boycott one game to show your intent…but no..the apathy stands out and ranting bile into the ether is a sign of not facing up to the majority of fans own weakness.

I don't think it's all down to apathy, I think there's a fair few scared that Raj will chuck his toys out and put us out if business. We've been close to the precipice before and there's enough evidence of what happens to clubs that fold to show that for many of us the reality is ghat if we go bust we're extremely unlikely to see even NL football in the town again in our lifetimes.
Hopefully the potential buyers are cracking on and a deal can be agreed before players can walk away because they haven't been paid. The spine of a decent team is there if we can keep them here, Smith, Sass Davies, Parkes, Moley, Sherron, Mani D would do for me.

Only the braindead will accept us as a half alive ticking over shit non league club.
Produced from the miser.
End ov
Normal procedure is at worst case scenario struggling in the EFL.

A few of our fans saying the Heed are Gunna freefall.
But they have a good habit of bouncing back.
Still reckon we beat them next Monday.
But they go on to win promotion at Wembley.
A decent 2 seasons winning FA trophy last year plus promotion to the Efl.
While we've had 2 disaster seasons not consolidation.
We fucked up not cherry picking their proven better players last summer.

Went down the keep fevs/Fergy route which backfired major style.

Roll on a better future even if a tad of Patience is applicable.

correct, but we cannot be thankfull and ignore his mistakes for ever. one thing needed is a new owner with money and a personality that brings all fans together with one single aim. at the moment we have about 4,000 fans in numerous little official and unofficial groups of there own with different agendas.

Won't argue with that.

Just for clarity I started this thread to show how low this club has sunk under Raj compared to other clubs who seem to thrive and do well despite smaller gates etc. I was not putting these two teams down but simply pointing out how low we have gone since relegation when you consider we are not even good enough to finish in the top 7. Both these teams along with Halifax have earned the opportunity to take part in the playoffs. Things need to change v v quickly to allow new owners a shot at changing things before the new season starts.

1 0 up v York.
A classic example of how to run a club them lot.

Well done to them.

Yeah, same owners that f*cked up last season and by not ensuring their lease was in line with NL rules they were disqualified from the play offs? Classic way to run a football club indeed.

Bounce back ability from getting shit on.

2 bad teams here.
It's a very shit division.

Gateshead weren't shit on, they knew the rules and ignored them, mismanagement / incompetence? Certainly would have raised a few hackles had it been us.

Still comfortably above us this season despite people predicting doom for Gateshead after last season.

It's hard work debating with Sings no. 1 fan.