We are just a zombie club right now,

Shit manager we have no affinity to
Fake board with no real decision making power
Chairman who doesn’t give a shit


I get it…be careful what you wish for etc and wouldn’t want to be like Darlington who have reached their ceiling but surely with the ground we have and people willing to invest if we started again we’d be back at this level fairly soon….right now we are just going through the motions and it’s shite ! Shouldn’t be this invested in a football club but it really pisses me off

If he’s still manager tomorrow we might as well call it a day

Why not

At least then Raj can't demand his money back

Oh good, it's hoary old chesnut time

Pools need to get rid of the new Paul Hartley and try to unearth a new Dave Challinor. There'll never be a majority of fans in favour of winding up the club because turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

Under no circumstances should the fans be blamed when Sing pops the club.
It's unsellable.

NO - in answer to the thread question - that is absolutely fucking ridiculous. Yes your pissed off- we ALL are.

Got back from the game about half eleven and in all honesty, we were lucky to finish SECOND!

Congratulations to Brackley - they did a job on us and deserve to go through to the next round. Cracking little set up they've got there and their fans were very welcoming and a credit to their club. I even had one of them buy me a pint after the match- (the main highlight of my evening- even if it was in pity, the other being getting home BEFORE midnight in the pouring rain)

That said - think the last time I felt this EMBARRASSED to be a Pools fan was when we lost to FRICKLEY at home in the early 80's - mind I was only about 6 years old at that time.

Uncle Darren has clearly LOST the dressing room. Pools were unorganised, rudderless and out of ideas as to how to compete with a team from the league below. We couldn't defend balls into the box and set pieces, which was basically our undoing. On the flip side, We can't attack a dead ball/ or take a set piece either. Mancini kicked one corner straight out in the first half. Sass Davies had a free header at the back post and went horribly wide off his Toblerone Head. Some of our shooting was woeful too- Charman, Dodds and Sheron should all have done better but really lacking in confidence. We had quite a few chances but you could tell the game was up once their third went in.

Maxsted was named Man of the Match for them - made a few decent saves and blocks to be fair, but was also guilty of rolling around like Jordan Pickford, just a bit too much.

Mancini did go off injured- though was difficult to tell from were I was, how injured he was or whether or not he'd just had enough.

Brackley were never going to score from open play- but then they didn't have to- they just showed more nous and desire to compete for knockdowns in and around the box. All three of their goals were preventable.

Our players were like rabbits caught in the headlights - though in the second half as it started lashing down with rain - felt more like Watership Down!

Uncle Darren - momentarily came towards some of us behind the goal after the whistle, clapping. He soon retreated towards the dressing room, leaving the players on the pitch. As it was quite a compact little ground, on a covered terrace of about 6 steps deep. I more than made my Point of telling him to Fuck off, Resign and Keep Walking- I was absolutely fucking livid!

The players looked embarrassed, and so they should be, but I also made the point to them that my ire was aimed at the manager (he picks the team, sets out the tactics and makes the substitutions) He would be better off making the tea- but then again he'd probably fuck that up too!

The irony is after Saturday's debacle at home- Uncle Darren said in his post match press interview how we'd be better prepared for tonight as we now knew what to expect -
Firstly, did he not do ANY prep before Saturdays game AND Secondly, what did he do before today's game (having had a better idea)- fucking beggars belief!

Out of a crowd of 775, it's difficult to say how many Poolies were present. Due to the lack of segregation, we were dotted about. I'd reckon about 50 hardy souls - putting themselves through the ringer and being thoroughly embarrassed by the whole debacle.

Uncle Darren- THIS IS NOT PERSONAL -
Please do the decent thing and resign, (if you haven't already been pushed). You have lost the dressing room, the fans and are now swimming against a strengthening tide. Nobody wanted it to turn out like this- we all desperately wanted you to succeed. But after yet another calamitous performance the time is NOW for you to step aside.

Thank you for your efforts and better luck in your next job.

Great post and no I don’t really want us to wind up, but it’s very disheartening seeing humiliation after humiliation when those in charge seem to view the fans with close to contempt for being upset

The club is unsellable.
Who in there right mind would want to give Sing his loan moneys back.

It's been mentioned before were would we be division wise if Sing didn't step in 6 years ago.

Probably higher than next seasons NLN.

Can we forget starting again and start by urgently getting rid of Sarll as No 1 priority.

Do ya believe in fairy tales that he's the only problem at the club and we fly into league one if he resigns.

100% KPG. The club behind the scenes is rotten to the core.

What I meant was make a start with Sarll as No 1 priority, certainly not carry on as we are with Raj.
I’d ideally prefer a new owner though rather than starting from the bottom.?
Does that clear it up…stop being touchy, he’s getting to you.

It's a fairy tale to think that a phoenix like resurrection back to efl level would happen too.

Consistently now getting beat by national north teams and some wonder why i slate raj all the time, done some job on us this fella. The club might of got a bit of respect back from some by sacking this clown weeks ago. It now makes me think whoever is making decisions now is actually thick and simply hasnt a clue.

Last night has been coming since pre season, its no surprise to anyone now in fact its so predictable its embarassing. I will not step foot back in that ground until some action is taken
. Turn off the money supply lets see how quickly the club is sold then.

When we were under threat during the Coxall period there was a time when a lot of fans get we should start and n.We would have been debt free and potentially had the Vic to use. It's history now but at least we would have been on an enjoyable journey and not this soulless trudge.

sounds great but after doing all that we,d probebly only be where we are now. if we do get a new owner they,ll be an owner version of sarll, a conman. we need to realise that we have reached our level with good and bad seasons and the best thing to look forward to is a win in the trophy. at my age i,m resigned to national league football for life and feel sorry for young fans having to endure this.

As a life long fan of more than 50 years now living in the North West it is heart-breaking to watch the clubs demise because that's what it is, zero accountability for the mess the club is in from Manager or the very quiet board. The soul has been ripped from the club and the fans new and old deserve so much better and from professional players who last night some clearly where not interested in the game, could have been given baffling tactics but still should have rolled up their sleeves and battled for the fans and club

The player's have done us a favour in the long term in my opinion, We win last night he stays and we keep dropping down the leagues.. this is the one time i could forgive them for downing tools to remove him

saturday will tell us whether they did that or not or show they are not as good as we think they are anyway.

Hansel n gretal n snow White and Mr Benn still available.
Anyhow thank god he's gone.
UTP.

He has gone but that's like pissing on the Odeon inferno in the hope you put it out.

Yesterday just rubber stamps that.
When the joke of an interim manager says.
" It was a step forward"

Now a question of how low can we go before the obviously. POPAGE,

That's exactly the problem our Kev everytime we do a so called step forward we then do three steps back.

Nobody wants this club to go pop. We all want it to be fixed up and run better.

At some point though there might come a time when there's just nothing left to save. We might be heading towards that. There are signs. If that happens the heart and soul of the club could easily live on in a phoenix club. It has happened at other clubs. That's because we have our home and we have us wonderful lot to make this all happen.

As for being in the National League. I don't accept it is our level. It is a horrendous league and we need to be out of it. We are a league club at heart and there is sonething special about being a proper member of the EFL. I would prefer that than a load of wins against pub teams and village clubs. Just my opinion though. Others have expressed theirs very well.

thats all in the mind as we are not playing villiage or pub teams. i enjoy a win say against fylde much more than a draw or a defeat by any league 2 club. some of our opponents have been around as clubs as long as pools have and are playing at their highest level and are happy and should be respected. thats not to say we should be happy with our lot and stagnate as a club. if we did then the next step would be downwards rather than upwards and would be for more than a single season as proved by york and stockport. really are all those clubs above us in the league are all better run than us and having thousands thrown into them by owners with big pockets.

Yesterdays evidence suggests for some strange reason we all been guilty of overating these players.
But it's nailed on next seasons team will be a lot worse.
Why?.

Because the semi decent players will be getting there agents to do overtime. Wudent be surprised if 1 or 2 get lucky enough to Exit in January if they decide to put themselves in the EFL shop window.

Then obviously the STs boycott will kick in especially after this summers muggings got no chance of being repeated.

Only football though.
Avoid the Rope

I would like to say its only a game get over it. But it's not though is it...it's a fooooking drug and we are addicts and the Raggie boy knows that only to well.

thats why its so important to get the next managerial appointment totally correct. possibly some of the players are overated and got away with it with fans as they were united to see the back of sarll. one thing he was correct in saying most are incontistant. none can be all that bad after being decent players at previous clubs bar a couple of signings in hope rather than what they have done before. its a matter of getting the best out of them all by tactics that suite and a lot of motivation that other teams seem to have more of. if any do want to move away then its in their best interests also to perform whilst they are here and not just living on their previous form for us and others. as for season ticket sales we sold what anyone could really expect after all the years of false expectations only to get back to square one quickly. the season might not be all over quite yet and even if we do not make the play offs we should be making a good fist of attempting too and not seeing this season as one of hust being mid table to improve the next. feel that ainst going to happen under this board but we cannot do sod all about it unless you have a multi millionaire who owes you a massive favour as a friend.

"Just your opinion " sadly Pooly_Imp it's also mine and many others now. Each season that goes by it will only get financially worse I fear. Our Kev says it the way it is and often gets attacked for being realistic & honest but in all honesty I agree with him. However it is last " chance saloon " this season but I still believe we can achieve. Some may call me clueless but I still believe it will happen but only if we get a quality manager. The clock is ticking down on Raj and our club ( both stand to lose everything ) but it's still well achievable. Raj has tried very hard this time particularly budget wise which suggests he totally understands its " last chance saloon time " and he could still make a success of this season and the club's future. Its extremely important he moves fast and positive and gets the right man in even if it means paying a really good salary till the end of this season before committing to a 2 / 3 year contracts. Dare we still dream I think we have no choice because we have to make it happen. It's now or never for Raj to get his investment back and for our proud little club to return to its rightful place in football.

It's just my opinion but I would start every game with Joe / Mancini / Campbell and ManiD. These are real footballers who will find gaps in and around the box and play balls into those areas to hurt teams. I don't buy into this crap of bringing them off the bench when it's often to late because of a tight arm string etc. Play them first get a goal or two up then change things if needed not the other way around. Cloughie always said its a simple game complicated by certain individuals who know nowt.

over the last few years the club has entered and drunk from a last chance saloon so many times it needs to go to A & E to get its stomach pumped out. its a situation that just cannot go on with every new manager appointed. they cannot all be the wrong men surely and raj also cannot be footballs worst owner ever. wish i actually knew what our whole problems are and had a magic wand to get the club on an even keel. do not want or expect miracles or to become a wrexham type of club but one who could be a force in this league just for starters. aint much to ask is it.

been saying the same since we beat boston. far easier to see a game out than planning a comeback especiallly when it gets despirate near the end where teams put so many up front and pump long balls to them in hope but can easily be caught on the break. feel we have the players to do what we want but not oversure we have the way the club wants doing it the other way round all the time.

Agree Accy

No we're not LITERALLY playing against village or pub sides but what I am saying is very well understood.

No Raj isn't the worst owner in the world. However if we were a medical patient, it would be said that we are surviving but not living. The club has potential but it involves longer term planning. We seem only to be REACTIVE and short termist. A similar point of view has crept in amongst fans but that's probably because our long term looks bloody depressing.

Maybe having IOR as owners ruined us expectation wise--I am not saying that level constantly is realistic but I dont want this shit....

Finishing behind part time teams with shit grounds and fan base of 1k, and not even because these clubs are bankrolled but because we are ran so incompetently by people who have long since lost heart---
The chairman wants out and is basically a bitter owner who resents the fanbase and regrets buying the club-that attitude rots the whole club---something is rotten in Denmark (and Hartlepool) and we all know it--it's like some sham marriage (I would say sexless but the fans seem to keep getting fucked) trudging through the motions when both parties want to be somewhere else.
For the love of God Raj, accept what a sunk cost is--give someone else a go and enjoy your life--you were chairman for some great times when we went back up but we can't live on memories when the present is so grey and bland.

The short answer to the question is absolutely yes.

And if we started over again we'd be guaranteed a sugar daddy of course, we'd romp every game, still be getting 3000 plus crowds, still at the Vic of course rent free.
Or it could start low and get worse.

Sometimes Raj is so shit I would take the chance.

I'm struggling to see why a few get all hysterical about it and want this shit to be eternal.
Because it will be under this bitter n twisted ownership.

2 options.
Pop or sell up.

3rd option of Singh turning this shit around is not an option. Never Gunna happen.
Harsh but honest n real.

Opinions.

Nobody wants the present status to be eternal but nor do we want it to be even worse.
Nobody getting hysterical about it either way to be fair.
As for options they're all out of our hands but I'd say with the right manager we could still make the play offs. Can he find the right one again?

Aka papering over the cracks

Facing reality imo, think we've had a decent budget and recruitment / retention has been good. Just the final piece of the jigsaw to find but it's like trying to find the proverbial needle.

You're joking. Read the room. People are focusing their minds on what happens on the pitch to FORGET the reality of things off it. We're in increasing debt, lower half of the table, embarrassing results, buffoons in the boardroom and have sacked yet another manager.

Cuckoo Land.

I have a strange feeling that you're related to Singh.

It’s completely irrelevant what the fans want in any case. Whatever Raj Singh decides will be what happens. If he wants to continue adding to the loans he’s putting in then so be it, things will plod along like they have been and Pools will owe him more and more money that he’ll never get back.

If he decides not to do that then it’ll be a start again situation. In the meantime, all the fans can do realistically is prepare for it just in case.

The fate of the club in its current guise will be whatever he decides he wants to do with it.


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But nobody was complaining until recent results went tits up. There was very little noise about the owner, the boardroom, the debt a couple of months ago.
My own opinions of course, read the room? The room? I'll continue to form and state my opinions all by myself thanks.

There are folks who are aware how shit things are and want to discuss it, there are people who are aware of it but don't want to talk about it. You are in a category of your own desperately trying to smooth over any potential unrest.

It's like reading those Russian bots on BBC News trying to make Putin not sound like the bad guy.

Games 1 to 3 acceptable results wise.

Games 4 to 14 absolutely horrendous.
Now ya know why the majority Dosent share your fakeness.

And now one of our players in the Mail stateing yesterday was a good result.
A joke run club with zero ambition looks set to continue.
We are now tin pot n no longer the big cream of non leagues elite.
Game over.
Life support scenario.
Accept or live in cloud cuckoo land.
There is no in between.
DTP.