Starmer in the States didn’t get the permission he wanted from the Yanks to supply Ukraine with long range Storm Shadow cruise missiles to hit targets deep in Russia.
Thank feck for that.
What’s he doing playing Rambo with the Russians, sort out this country first.

That is indeed the best news in months. Deep down though you have to worry if Starmer will simply press ahead knowing that American we still defend us against Russia even if they didnt give their blessing this time around.

Can we have one for the town centre please?

Would NOT bank on the usa coming to our aid, They may like a european war.

The Russians are using long range weapons from Iran and possibly China to destroy the infrastructure in Ukraine with no concern about who or what they target. It’s a bit of a ‘cheek’ hypocritical threatening the west for doing the same thing is it not ?

Can't use our missiles without US permission because they're dependent on US satellites for their guidance systems apparently.

Can't for the life of me understand why Starmer wants to escalate our influence and involvement in the conflict, it won't end well for us.
Also why does he want to spend more of our money that we haven't got, doesn't he know ow there's a f**king £22bn black hole already?

He's seeing that isolationism is utter bollocks and never works. Putin has set countless red lines and bottles the lot. He's just doing what the fuck he likes as he knows the west is utterly bloody spineless as someone utters the word nuke.

I thought it had already been blitzed.

Because they are the big bully, but bully’s tend to get nastier if you strike back.

Only if they think their victim is spineless, weak and afraid. Otherwise..... they're cowards.

For most of my life anyone saying let’s fire missiles into Russia would have been sectioned under the Mental Health Act.

Different world now. Ukraine has shown us the bear isn't as fierce as we thought.

Any bear with nuclear weapons has to be treat with caution.

What do we have in NATO? Sticks and stones?

Sticks and stones are acceptable, No sane person plays dare you with the the old radioactive fireworks.

We need to back Ukraine and show Putin he can't have what he wants by intimidation. That's why he has taken parts of Georgia Crimea and now Donbas, because we've been too weak to do anything. Ukraine, the brave brave buggers, have managed to humiliate Putins army, massively degrade it and destroy the navy's Black Sea Fleet without even having their own Navy. That's strength.

I’m wondering if there’s a stand off here? I reckon permission will be given if Putin starts using those new Iranian missiles.

Yep. Another escalation from the Russian side will give Biden something to react to.

We'd be the perfect target for a teach us a lesson nuke strike, an island kingdom surrounded by sea, anywhere else in Europe borders another country, so we need to be very careful.

We need to back Ukraine and show Putin he can't have what he wants by intimidation. That's why he has taken parts of Georgia Crimea and now Donbas, because we've been too weak to do anything. Ukraine, the brave brave buggers, have managed to humiliate Putins army, massively degrade it and destroy the navy's Black Sea Fleet without even having their own Navy. That's strength.[/quote]
there is backing and there is backing them. again why should this country have to be the one playing big bollocks again when others in europe never get involved in conflicts away from their country. hope this for our sakes will not be starmers iraq even if its different.

My theory is that Putins real motivation is to get back the Sebastapol gun back that is located on the Headland in Hartlepool.
We captured it from the Russians during the Crimea War.

We are not on our own backing Ukraine. We're not even the highest European backer. Putin knows he can just utter the word nuke and world leaders and their general populations start quaking, stick their heads in the sand and let him have what he wants. Putler and his cronies want wealth and power and a world in which to enjoy it, preferably spent in western boutiques and car showrooms. They can't do that in a bunker. This naive feeling that what doesn't happen on our own doorstep won't affect us needs to stop. Thank fuck we had some balls back in 39.

Wonder what WE and the good ole USA said to Russia when we were in the Gulf.

HE says there is a Black Hole, He should Prove it.

If any normal person wants Council tax relief or the like, They have to prove their lack of funds.

All leaders are Bullys, If they know they can get away with it. WFA

He’s working on the principle that if him and his Stepford MP’s keep repeating it, it becomes fact.

Not saying he isn’t, but he reminds me of a chimp holding a Ming Vase, in this case a nuclear Ming vase …..let’s get him to put it down.

Sounds like the same kind of whataboutery spouted by Russian state TV.

If Trump gets in he has more or less all USA funding will cease.

funny how zelensky became so popular a figure once russia invaded and if i remember correctly wasn,t before hand. it always annoys me when WW2 history is being discussed where the yanks get all the credit for helping us win the thing but soviet union forces get as little credit as possible. a country that suffered more deaths for their armed forces and the local population than anybody but the size of the place and the population makes some think that it did not matter.

His country got invaded and his citizens were subject to rape, torture and murder. He famously refused to leave Ukraine and has busted some quite nasty hotshots around the frontlines, in complete contrast to Putin. Not really surprising.

Let's hope the imbecile does not then.

Another thing about WW2 history is to start with Russia did a deal with Nazi Germany, only when they were attacked themselves did they see the light.

Casualties for the three major allied powers were…
UK…383,600 killed.
US…416,800 killed.
Russians…9.5 million?
Looks like they did the major part of defeating the Germans by a country mile.

Do some reading up on that popular myth.
They ‘saw the light’ even before our appeasers did.
The Russians were buying time after Stalins paranoid ‘Purge of the Armed Forces Leadership’….they were hoping Hitler wouldn’t invade till 1942.
Stalin’s was desperate for a treaty, being a cynic he knew what the Germans intended, Hitler made it clear in Mein Kampf.

And the Polish pilots

Hmmm. I will take a look at some point.

My father fought in WW2, in the Royal Navy. He liked the Russians and visited many times in his later years. He was involved with the convoys to and from Russia, the Russians in fact sent him two medals in the late 70s to thank him for his efforts, I have them now.

Important to separate Putler from Russians. Putler doesn't give a flying one about his people, especially his soldiers.

Starmer is a war monger like his puppet master Tony Blair!!!! Look at the shit he caused in the middle east.

Starmer is (thankfully) taking an approach no different to the outgoing government.

Never said he does, like Stalin without the total paranoid ruthless streak….who definitely didn’t care about the people.

Or potential peacemaker.? He has the clout.Behind closed doors for putin.

Donald Trump...perhaps the only leader in the world who could tell the dictators of the world how it's going to be if he's in charge.

Well certainly. There would have been no world war 2 if we'd have left Hitler alone. Peaceful indeed. Trumps really clever idea for peace is to let Putin keep what he's stolen. A mastermind at work.

And because....he's a dictator and a complete lunatic.

Did it last time he was in office.

Starmer/Biden/Cackle Harris/NATO are all as weak as fart against Russia..It's 2024 and you soft lefties need to wake up fast to the real threat !! ...'The Don's ' the only one.Embrace him !!

Starmer wants to allow Ukraine to fire missiles into the Russian Motherland, that's not self defence, it's escalation and the more it escalates the more others (ie Us) get drawn into the conflict and become part of it.
As far as I know Sunak wasn't pushing for escalation.