I ventured up to Hartlepool to see yesterdays game and was pleased with the result after the sending off. Before the game I went in the corner flag and the atmosphere was a bit subdued after reading Raj's programme notes about no creditable offer being made to buy him out. While there a lady called Shelley Hammond was there talking to fans. Shei ic from a company called P&N Capital who I believe are very interested in taking over, Answers please Raj.

Being very interested and making a credible offer are 2 vastly different things. Maybe it's Ms Hammond who you should be asking questions of?

Looking at 2 companies which Shelley Hammond has been involved in have both been dissolved, the only P&N Capital companies shown on the net are a London based estate agency and an Australian Bank ?

Did Singh define credible?

Did Singh define creditable _NO
The creditable offer is a figment of his mind, remember this is a man who paid £1 for the club and any money has been loans. He has more than had his money back from cup runs, promotion and football league payments and parachute payments. This is the man who declared that the two actors who bought Wrexham were not creditable just look at the money spent there, He has a bad business in the area you can easily see why.

I know Shelley, she was involved in getting a film called 'creation stories' made a few years ago, about Alan McGhee the bloke who signed oasis. Shes very genuine and knows a few people, didn't realise she was involved in this.
I definitely believe she could get a few people together to do it.

All depends on Singh. If he wants money for the club AND to pay ofthe parent company debts then it's going to need a super wealthy and/or super daft person to pay all that for a non-league club. There people are rare so it makes you wonder what his alternative is? Keep the club forever (unlikely), or scuttle the ship.

It's wonderful the tricks memory plays. There was me thinking Pools were up to their eyes in debt and on the brink of going bust when Raj and Jeff Stelling stepped in and saved our club.

Must have dreamt it... oh, hang on, here it is: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43684290

And he can be as incompetent as he likes for the rest of eternity and we have to like it. Yeah I know the old chestnut same as everybody else.

Nail on the head, he owns the club and calls the shots, he knows how much he's put in or taken out and he can set his asking price. There's not a thing we can do about it. But he'll up sticks and leave one day maybe leaving us in a good place maybe not.

Southends new owners had put in £3M in before they actually took over.

There are many examples of this, such owners do exist.

It's very easy for Raj to dismiss any such takeover talks unless someone declares their interest publicly.

No one has done that, the closest we came was last season when the HUST publicly declared negotiations. The problem was, the average Pools fan had no idea who the consortium members including the particularly rich member of the group.

Until someone makes a legitimate proposal and makes their proposal claim public (not details of the offer but that they want to takeover) then it's easy for Raj to say there's no legitimate takeover bid.

There needs to be a credible alternative that the fan base can make a judgement on, then there is proper pressure on Raj, which isn't what we have now.

This does happen, the new Southend owner made his intention to purchase the club public, he was credible and eventually it went through.

I‘m waiting for the King Midas offer for Pools being turned down by Raj.

I want to know why all these alleged offers are by anonymous party’s.
If I was offering to take over Pools I’d be selling my offer to the fans at every opportunity to get them on my side and put pressure the owner to sell up.
I’d also have a manifesto of my intentions for the club.
I find all this Chinese whispers/gossip/ rumour mill are not the way to proceed if serious.

100% down to your personal nosiness Snowy. It's human nature, even to superior humans like you and I.

Cos he's never heard of King Midas and he wants to see his business plan for the next 5 years.

Correction.... we don't have to like it but we do have to lump it until HE decides to move on.

It is down to Raj that it does not become public as when a person/consortium makes an enquiry he makes them sign an NDA so they can not make it public.

What like nobody knew the HUST backed consortium had made offers?

I think the NDA is more about not disclosing anything they see in the accounts when they do their due diligence.

Good points.

But

How reliable is the 3m figure?

Is Raj likely to agree to such a transparent process even if the prospective buyers thought it was OK?

We had actual pools supporters on the inside telling us the offer was credible

Raj's definition of CREDIBLE might be way off realistic.

Raj's definition of credible is the only option available, I'm afraid.
One day we will all be surprised when Raj announces he has an offer he would like to accept and then see it through to completion. Until that happens best thing to do is to wait and hope.
I wish I could offer a credible alternative but I can't. It'll happen when Raj decides it will happen. Nobody is asking you to like that scenario but it would appear it is the only one available.

So I mean credible in the context of the buyer being credible, not the offer.

For example Chris Musgrave looked at Pools before Raj bought the club and released a statement saying he couldn't determine how much money would be needed to get the club back on track due to uncertainty regarding the club's liabilities.

If Chris Musgrave was to release a statement now (this is purely an example I have no idea if he's interested) then that has credibility. He has connection with the town and he has, as I understand it, companies with far more wealth than Raj Singh.

This then puts significant pressure on Raj as some fans would want Raj to sell, he can't role out the usual 'no credible takeover' talk that he does currently.

It is deeply worrying to think about the future of this club. It's bad enough thinking about each game as it comes.

Remember.. Patience is a Virtue.

Even if it was Musgrave Raj could just say the offer was too low and would probably do a NDa before figures were even discussed.

Then you Leak(shsh) publicly before you even speak to club personel.

I think Mr Musgrave will have had enough knowledge from his contacts, If the club was worth while buying.

If the fans loyalty switched to someone else, like a Musgrave, and made this clear to Raj I don't think he would stick around much longer.

I known Chrissy Musgrave for a very long time and it would shock me if it was him.

The fans loyalty to any other prospective buyer wouldn't make a hoot of a difference. Raj will go when he gets an offer which is both credible and acceptable on his terms, or he'll walk when he decides we are nothing but a fi ancillary drain which he isn't prepared to pour money down.

Sounds like we are in pinch then as it looks like there is a lot of expense that has been converted to debt. So either Raj writes it all off or he expects a new owner to deal with it. If there is no such buyer then liquidation would certainly see it written off.

Sadly from everything we’ve seen of Raj and know from Darlo, he’d cut off his nose to spite his face.
He has us well and truly stitched up but we just keep on coming back.

This Shelley keeps on getting mentioned, going back months. Weird she was in the flag now.

If I was after taking over a club I’d shout it from the rooftops what my intentions were, if the owner doesn’t indulge me in conversation, I’d shout that from the rooftops too and ignoring me would lead me to use the media to get my message over and over and over.
If I was determined that is.

Even if you had a threat of legal action hanging over you?

And also, do you think Raj is the kind of guy who is swayed by what anyone else thinks?

Legal action ..what are you talking about.
I am giving a theoretical explanation of how I would go about trying to buy a football club if I was a multi millionaire, not just Pools.
If fans want change desperately from an owner and viable alternative is waiting in the wings willing to pay the asking price, there are a number of strategies you can adopt, but being an anonymous man of mystery ain’t the way to go about it.

Musgrave is an investor, he is not in the habit of making loss making investments like Pools, if he was into Pools he would be sponsoring them in some way.

If Raj won’t even open a discussion without an NDA (which if breached has legal implications), how do you go about announcing yourself?
We know from the trust led consortium there was an NDA and actually one or two of the parties involved edged close to breaching it, as Raj pointed out on the radio.

why should this be a case if neither party,s have anything real to hide. all this secrecy does not go down well with me.

But the NDA didn't stop the Trust announcing the bids had been made or potentially the amount the consortium had available. There's absolutely nothing to stop a potential buyer saying he's interested or has made an offer.

Think it's about time we end this stupid post once and for all. These rumours and counter rumours have been going on for years now and guess what NOTHING. Not often I agree with PTID but he is correct Raj is in charge Raj decides everything & Raj will only go when he wants not when we say he should. We need to live with it and move on until he and only he decides what if anything is going to happen.

Lets be honest - even if there was solid discussions going on in the background and he was on the verge of handing the club over, hes still more than in his rights and probably legally to come out and say nothing is happening, if in the background said investors have told him they dont want nothing disclosing (NDAs etc) until the deal is done and dusted ! He is not going to fill us with info if the deal doesnt come off and then he looks a mug and it may damage reputation for said investors.

weird how she was in the Corner flag like ?

but her name does keep popping up - Shes said to be involved with a wealthy american business man who has took interest ?

we just need some stinking rich Multi Multi Millionaire who wants a football club to play with (one who invests in the long run too) Dont care if its for his own personal hobby/ego/media bullshit! but if he can get us into the championship we can sure do the rest from there !

I mean, there literally could be ie. a prerequisite of opening negotiations is that no-one can say anything publicly. This is not unusual.
As said elsewhere, it’s probably worth deleting the thread and going back to talking about immigrants or something but original post was at least intriguing. Personally I need some hope that Raj could be going. He’s got us over a barrel currently.

So are you spinning this topic out just to stop us discussing topics you don’t approve of…….?

No, you’re just being silly now. What I’m most interested in is Pools. You can and will talk about whatever you want, obviously.

The club will change hands again at some point - hopefully quietly, with as little fuss as possible. The day there really is something in the pipeline, it's unlikely to be announced by a random woman in the Cornrer Flag.

Do you not think that if someone seriously wealthy wanted to buy the club, the asking price wouldn't also go up?
Say if the trust were the potential buyer, Singh may accept a lower figure whereas for someone as wealthy as Musgrave, Singh may want to maximise his return on the sale.

I think that is a crazy post Why would you suggest we go back to talking about immigrants are you hoping some poor bugger gets lifted for not agreeing with the government Very strange and rather suspicious post.

The Tories were twats.
But they let you disagree with them.

We have our different views and values.

No, you’re being a tad naive, you had to include the little dig about immigration, very, very clumsy, if you’re spinning it out, spin it out.
You’ll never make a secret policeman…..