You can demonstrate if you wish.
If you break the law you get arrested.
Can we keep it as simple as that?

Unfortunately we can't, people can break the law and expect to get away with because of their body. However if you care and passionate about the country you're born in, fought for because the UK PM/any government leader said go there or if love or care about where you live or want a good standard of life in the country you love. You are automatically deemed a racist, far right, neo nazi lover. Unfortunately that's how I see it now.

Snowy, I wish it was as simple as you put it and it should be.

Aye, mores the pity.

We all want better health care… having to spend tens of millions on policing instead of on say cancer care, is beyond frustrating.
We want better standards of education no matter where you’re born, yet dad’s take their kids to riots shouting p*ki and the rest of it - totally counterproductive.
We want the government to sort out energy prices but distract with ‘protests’ which are orchestrated and hijacked by the far right using social media.
We want prisons to function properly, reformed with prisoners rehabilitated but then fill the places with people targeting local businesses and community facilities.
We want pensioners to have more money but see citizen’s advice bureaus hit, the very places that help older people in need to access benefits.
We want to send people back to their countries of origin and instead of processing the claims resources are directed elsewhere to ensure British born people aren’t targeted and harmed.
It goes on and on.
There absolutely needs to be grown up discussion about immigration and a reduction in illegal migration but that won’t happen while the country burns. Some people have to look at themselves as well, not believe everything their algorithm throws at them, educate themselves, work hard and have pride in their community rather than smashing it up.

All good but one thing that's missing is Leadership and that's sadly lacking and has been for many years. Personally I can't see an end to this until Government starts governing in this country's best interests.

[quote="Mikey76"]We all want better health care… having to spend tens of millions on policing instead of on say cancer care, is beyond frustrating.
We want better standards of education no matter where you’re born, yet dad’s take their kids to riots shouting p*ki and the rest of it - totally counterproductive.
We want the government to sort out energy prices but distract with ‘protests’ which are orchestrated and hijacked by the far right using social media.
We want prisons to function properly, reformed with prisoners rehabilitated but then fill the places with people targeting local businesses and community facilities.
We want pensioners to have more money but see citizen’s advice bureaus hit, the very places that help older people in need to access benefits.
We want to send people back to their countries of origin and instead of processing the claims resources are directed elsewhere to ensure British born people aren’t targeted and harmed.
It goes on and on.
There absolutely needs to be grown up discussion about immigration and a reduction in illegal migration but that won’t happen while the country burns. Some people have to look at themselves as well, not believe everything their algorithm throws at them, educate themselves, work hard and have pride in their community rather than smashing it up.[/quote
Well said Mikey.

Give him and his Government a chance to lead...they haven't even been in office for 5 weeks!!

Good points, but I think these two are my biggest gripe currently.
My kids classes are about 70% English/British. Then out of that the teacher forgets about the 70% as they work with about 30% of the class who can't read, write nor speak English. That's a fact. So why should my kids miss out for being British Citizens, but if I say anything to the teachers, like I have done in the past, I get called a far right loyalist.
Better health, the amount of tax everyone has paid over the years and the NHS is always one of the last things to be sorted and they never gets sorted out, ever sorted out, even in peace time and all throughout the 00's under the Blair and Brown eras, boom time, money, money & more money. However what did they do, closed hospitals A/E (Hartlepool, Kidderminster, Southport etc etc) I have been missed diagnosed the other day after seeing my consultant.

Wondering if goverment policy on immigration would be getting media attention without the current level of disturbance? I do not condone violenceand vandalism. It needs to stop. Starmer needs to wake up to the causes of all this.
Energy prices will rise as the Labour government pursue the insane bullshine net zero policy. Nowt to do with protests.
Prisons already full to the brim before the protests. The conditions in UK prisons are well known to be shocking so fairy stories about rehabilitation are fairy stories. To be fair this one is fairly on the Tories.
How many citizens advice premises have been hit: is it numerous? Are they being targetted by the mythical "far right"?
Immigrants who have entered the country illegally will not be sent anywhere under this government. They are here to stay and the numbers are growing which is a key bugbear of the "far right" or normal working people as I prefer to call them.

The country is in the siht and Starmer and his acolytes have no clue how to change things mainly because thety refuse to admit their globalist mass immigration agenda is wrong. They wont do that because it is an existential threat to them.

5 weeks and all they've done is rolled out the welcome mats and encouraged more to make the channel crossings.
As I said we need strong and wise leadership, I don't think we'll find those qualities in Westminster anytime soon.

So what language does the teacher speak when working with the 30% who are not English/British? Just asking as I'm intrigued.

Doesn't really deserve a reply so I'll have to just do this...
But...and I know I promised myself not to ask but please tell me and everyone how they have 'encouraged more to make the Channel crossings'?
Can't wait to hear this one.

I wonder how many more unstable and violent types will step off the boats this month..

a) Scrap Rwanda plan (just the idea of Rwanda was apparantly having a detterent effect).
b) clear the backlog. How? By waving through large numbers (63% highest in Europe) to speed things up.
c) Labour by reputation are soft on immigration although the Tories were starting to run them close.

The risible stench of condescension and superiority in the tone of your posts is nauseating.

One of them Polish my oldest daughter teacher and Hindu/Punjabi form my youngest. I have reported this to our council, but they don't act on it. The Teaching Assistant takes the class most days. As the teacher is teaching key Stage 1/2 lessons to these kids, in basic English.

Ah yes but I bet you feel culturally enriched.

Looks like the so called intelligence for tonight was a tad over the top.

Please explain? How do I feel culturally enriched?
Seeing the country I served and put my life on the line in the armed forces go to ruin, seeing my kids education get ruined. Getting an early bath (death) leaving my wife and not being there for my Children in possibility 10/20 years?
So please tell me?

The biggest overestimation since the Captain of the Titanic told his passengers” Fear not, there are life boats for everyone ….with seats to spare”.

Ah well at least it gave The Socialist Workers something to do. I gather they were leading a lot of anti fascism protests but didnt have any facists to fight.

Technically he was telling the truth, but the truth was, there was enough for the First Class passengers only.

…and servants.

[quote [/quote]
Good points, but I think these two are my biggest gripe currently.
My kids classes are about 70% English/British. Then out of that the teacher forgets about the 70% as they work with about 30% of the class who can't read, write nor speak English. That's a fact. So why should my kids miss out for being British Citizens, but if I say anything to the teachers, like I have done in the past, I get called a far right loyalist.
Better health, the amount of tax everyone has paid over the years and the NHS is always one of the last things to be sorted and they never gets sorted out, ever sorted out, even in peace time and all throughout the 00's under the Blair and Brown eras, boom time, money, money & more money. However what did they do, closed hospitals A/E (Hartlepool, Kidderminster, Southport etc etc) I have been missed diagnosed the other day after seeing my consultant. [/quote]

So what language does the teacher speak when working with the 30% who are not English/British? Just asking as I'm intrigued.[/quote]
One of them Polish my oldest daughter teacher and Hindu/Punjabi form my youngest. I have reported this to our council, but they don't act on it. The Teaching Assistant takes the class most days. As the teacher is teaching key Stage 1/2 lessons to these kids, in basic English.[/quote]

Ah yes but I bet you feel culturally enriched.[/quote]
Please explain? How do I feel culturally enriched?
Seeing the country I served and put my life on the line in the armed forces go to ruin, seeing my kids education get ruined. Getting an early bath (death) leaving my wife and not being there for my Children in possibility 10/20 years?
So please tell me?[/quote]

I was being ironic. Quite often the pro immigration liberal left types (Guardian readers, BBC and Ch 4 addicts) will insist that the tide of immigration is "culturally enriching". Of course this is total and absolute bollocks as you have found out and is a prime example of the lies being fed to the British people. Another favourite lie is "diversity is our strength". I was not trying to be offensive to you and it is a disgrace your children are being denied educational opportunites due to government policy, in this case Tory government policy.

I apologise to for snapping. Been a crazy day today for myself. Been laughed at by youths in the park, because I couldn't reach the card machine at the Ice cream van, so my oldest daughter had to tap the card. In which One of them shouted "that right get your kids to pay for your ice cream, you cripple" and "enjoy your ripple cripple "Which upset my daughters and ruined the day.

It's a fair bet these youths wouldn't have said a single word to you 20 years back Sorry to hear of your bad day....there is no need for that level of disrespect especially to one of our brave armed forces personal

Cheers for the support, I really appreciate it. Those youths won't last 2 seconds of the welcome induction.

I am very sorry to read that. I hope you have a better day tomorrow.

The Rwanda Scheme was a huge failure costing hundreds of million of pounds, it didn’t reduce the channel crossings. The majority on the boats had never heard of it and even if they had they were still prepared to take their chances, Rwanda could only take 200.
Nothing has been mentioned about how the the backlog is going to be cleared, stop making assumptions,
No one softer on immigration than the Conservatives were, 750000 visas granted in 2023.

I bet 70 % of illegals will be allowed to stay at least.
Labour have announced the big camps will be closed and the ‘illegals’ sprinkled across the country, that tells you they’re staying.
I can guarantee that Labour will not stop not the boats either, just like the Tory’s.

Or was it the thought of there been MORE people demonstrating AGAINST them that stopped these bullies taking to the streets and smashing up people's property?
Or was it the thought of been swiftly sentenced and getting Prison time for rioting?

Jamie has took apart your points so I won't bother.
But why are you asking if I went to Dyke House or insinuating that i did?

But how could that make any difference, those much publicised counter demonstrations were token protests only in a few friendly places.
No, the ‘riots’ were a reflex action by the rabble, and after a few days it would burn itself out because it’s got no organisation behind it and most of those taking part in them were like football hooligans in the 70’s, they had no staying power because they never had a real plan..
History shows these things are like pound shop batteries, they suddenly stop unexpectedly.

The Rwanda plan could have worked if the Liberal left had allowed it to work instead of putting barriers in the way at every step.
Australia have a similar scheme whereby illegal immigrants (and I stress the word again illegal) are immediately shipped out for processing in another country, guess what it's been a resounding success in reducing arrivals.
So, easy to debunk others ideas, and if you think scrapping Rwanda and announcing fast tracking the backlog will not encourage more to come then that is just unbelievably naive imo.
Just by the by, what do you want to happen? More and more to arrive putting more and more strain on the taxpayers of this country and the infrastructure. Housing, benefits, hospitals, dentists, schools, all overstretched and getting worse while our government opens the door further and sits on its hands.

Absolutely that, and it was great to see people out demonstrating against them. Restores a little bit of faith in humanity.

"Took apart my points"? Really? In what way? My points remain true and correct.
So no point in you trying although you are welcome. Go for it.

Spot on. There is about 150,000 boat people who are in the process of claiming asylum. Labour want to "fast track" these claims in order to clear the backlog. So that means approx 63% (our normal acceptance rate) will be waved through. In other words around 90,000 who arrived here illegally will be staying at our expense. The majority of these will be young men. We dont know who these people are. Of course they may all be architercts and engineers. No one asked the British people. What are Labour doing to stop the boats? Nothing although they boast they will be gojng after the people smuggling gangs. Smash one gang another tsakes there place. So the channel arrivals will continue in ever increasing numbers. How many need to arrive before Labour admit there is a problem. Imagine the ammount of tax payers money being given away to these people. No wonder Labour are raising taxes. Labour dont give a monkeys. Neither did the Tories but at least they had some sort of plan faulty as it was.

its to everyones benefit if the present government do a job that the vast amount of people agree with no matter who they actually voted for. they might have made a big OG for themselves with the winter fuel payout but doubt them or anyone expected these present disturbances coming so quickly after it. problem is i and so many do not think starmer himself is a natural leader to rally his troups. like him or not i feel farage on the other hand is which is increasing the problems we will be facing.

biggest point is why from day 1 when the first boat arrived where these people not processed and there would not have been a backlog. its not as if illegal entry into britain has just started to be a problem. making it harder and not easier to enter would have been a bigger deterant than doing nothing but increasing the numbers without processing them.

Starmer has insulted the working class of this country by calling them far right. Labour used to represent the working classes but now they seem to represent minorities and midddle class self loathers. Starmer has not shown any leadership in the current crisis. All he has done is issue threats and mobilize the police who only a few days before was happy to throw under a bus.

and there goes the problem for so many both british and non british. being constantly told what diversity, inclusion and enrichment have done for us. sod all for me plus i,d guess mohammed down the road where he like me just wants to be left on our own to follow the way of life we both want. i have no interest in islam like he will have no interest in christianity even if both have a similar message in how we should live our lives whether you believe or not. the laws are in place to stop discrimination on anything so does it matter if a white brit does not use an asian shop or an asian does the same with a white owned one. only have friends of their own kind because they have the same interests in common. its not the end of the world as we know it if people feel like that.

just do not get this far right and far left situation when i seriously doubt the trouble makers have a single idea what that involves or are politically motivated one way or the other. nowadays someone like the yorkshire ripper would have to be placed and discribed in some political way. said it before about starmer that he might have the ability to do his job but will never have real leadership qualities to unite the nation or his own party apart from threats. its not his fault as there is a dearth of leaders across politics at the moment.

Dyke House?

We had all that, And guess who whittled it away.
The people we trusted and voted for.

Tell your daughter not to get upset by those people, But remind her of the really poor future THEY are going to endure.

Looked like a love fest with a load of old hippies and tomboys attending.Fair play to them i say.

Immigrants won’t integrate, they form their own communities, they will not adhere to our way of life, for want of a better word ghettos of immigrants will be the norm in the future with their own schools shops etc.

And us Law Abiding Citizens will have to foot the bill and dubious claims.
Via increased Council tax.

You don't have to cure a problem if you stop the cause.

A sensible sentence getting knocked out lately.

My philosophy is Preventation is always better than cure.

Ah well we are were we are n It is what it is.,,

He mistook you for the P.E, Teacher…….on second thoughts…..even I’m getting curious now

Yep, its called Balkanization. What was once a single country with a common language and a common set of values and shared culture breaks up into lots of small sub groups not all of the sub groups enjoy the company of the others. That is UK in the 20 to 30 years. Starmer and his supporters will preside over the early stages of this and when its too late to turn the tide he will be voted out of office but there will be major disorder that will make the events of the last 10 days seem insignificant.