Foooook right off.

Totally agree

Same old cautious start, When will the penny drop……….

Every time we go behind, We go for it and cause EVERY team problems.

Theres a clue there.

Some of the tactical chances he (Southgate) missed last night were alarming. imo

We had probably the best squad of players in the competition but the worst coach. Didnt help that Bellingham looked like he was playing on reputation, Foden cant seem to do it at this level and Kane is past his best. Picking his best players and playing them in their best positions might have made a difference.

Southgate is a great diplomat but a mediocre tactician. The FA seem to think the dipolomacy is the most important. As long as we get close to success, the establishment are happy. Losing the big games is fast becoming standard practice.

Think this guy understands Southgate...

https://youtu.be/5Q3yjUKxKMk?si=bmF3BdHvUool3Uxl

Southgate got the job because he was a safe, discreet, presentable face of football for the FA…….And that’s what we ended up with…Sweet FA.

Bang on.
Basic Simple explanation to why we didn't win.

Sweet Fanny Adams, the second LP by Sweet - it's a goodun too.

Southgate was lucky all the way through the tournament with weak opposition who they struggled against at times. It’s ok saying bring a new coach in but who, the FA will bring in some one like Eddie Howe another good clean cut manager, I can’t think of anyone else who would fit the bill for the F.A.

the ex Brighton and Chelsea manager - almost looks like Southgate tbh. Wouldnt be surprised to see him in the job.

At least Howe has plenty of club management as a foundation to build on. Nobody can doubt that he has the ability to bring out the best in players either, when you look at the Newcastle squad they've massively overachieved with some very average players.
Probably the stand out English manager at the moment. Or will they try for another foreigner?

Get your money on Linacre to be the next puppet manager

That's it exactly 100%

The problem with watching England is the amount of part time football fans that come out of the woodwork and suddenly become experts. Also Pundits and ex pros.

I think with Gareth Southgate (not Garath) people are being too harsh and it could be a case of not appreciating what you've had before it's gone!

Some of the criticism I've read today on the internet is pointless.

"We had an easy side of the draw". So what? You take what you get.
"We always come from behind". So what?
"We score last minute goals". So what. You can score anytime.

I'm in my early 60s and we've usually been pretty ropey at football during that time. Dodgy managers, players misbehaving, poor football etc, so why is it so hard to accept that we were beaten by a better team?

Self inflicted defeat by not starting with our best 11.
Thata what pisses people off.

Exactly we don't mind getting beat by a better team, what we do mind is that their best team weren't playing our best team. Also he got the tactics woefully wrong yet again and it's possibly the reason we're not celebrating 2 Euro successes in a row.
I would say that the only people who think that was our best available team surely are Southgate and his immediate coaching staff.

Thank you so so much Infidel for pointing out my terrible spelling mistake. So what? So what ? So what ? Pointing out a simple one letter mistake is indeed
" pointless "

Before the World Cup there is the Nations League staring in September, Englands opponents are Eire, Finland and Greece, both home and away, I have no idea what the format is.

Yep, you're right - apologies for the spelling thing, I'm grumpy with toothache.

No worries hope your toothache improves.

If Southgate was playing pontoon he'd stick on 17 every time, Kane couldn't jump to save his life, kept backing into the defender and falling on his arse hoping to get a free kick, fkn awful watch, get rid now.

"part time football fans”
Do you mean fans who watch part time clubs.

Shows how poor the Bundaslige is if thats how Kane has turned out.

Nope. I mean people who have maybe never been to a live match - people who aren't really that keen on football but then when England play on live TV they miraculously transform into an expert. These people can be found in most pubs when England play.

You can sum England up by the throw in Kyle Walker took just after we scored. It wasn't that far away from their corner flag and Palmer and Watkins were buzzing about like wasps wanting it (because Spain were looking a bit out of breath and worried for a minute). Then he takes forever to deliver it and when he does it's to Stones in our own half (about 40 yards way) who then passes it back to Pickford. Who then boots it blindly out of play for a Spanish goal kick. With about 4 minutes left to play.

So utterly England.

Spot on. Another thing was Southgate whining about tired legs, cramping up etc. He had a squad of 25 players but refused to make any significant changes to his starting eleven. Half the squad never had a kick so his favourite players were pushed to breaking point. As I have said before, Southgate is a very good ambassador but a very poor tactician. I dont say this because I am an armchair expert crawling out of the woodwork, I am referring to the opinions of many genuine students of the game who are paid to discuss these issues and have been involved in the game over many England tournaments. Almost no one in the football media are saying Southgate is a capable tactician.

Nor is he a good coach, man manager, or motivator. He said himself the players weren't in the right mindset for the group games but surely it's the coaches job to get them into the right mindset for every game?
He's previously defended the selection of Harry Maguire because "he's the partner that John Stones likes to play alongside", probably because Stones knows Maguire makes him look world class even though he can't hold down a regular starting spot for City.
Southgate needs to go ASAP to allow a new manager to try to maximise the potential of the players available.

Lazy bastad.
New manager can help himself hugely by binning him which will happen.

He's class on his day in the right set up in a team which is more flexible and midfield players willing to make runs in front of him when he comes deep.
Under Southgate he was made to look worse than ordinary as were Bellingham, Foden, Saka,
and the rest. Too defensive, lacking a natural left sided defender, too many out of form players picked regardless, too cautious with subs and formation, he would have played with Messi back to goal and on the half way line while Pickford was playmaker gi en the opportunity. He's been in the job for ages and he's learned absolutely nothing.

would anyone have done a much better job though than him. being cautious now is something we see week in week out and the resons we never see two really good halfs of games but only one at best.

He has done a great job bringing us back from the brink under big fat Sam.
I hope he moves and gets out of the limelight for a period before coming back as he is a talent football in the UK needs.

Outside bet Eddie Howe?

I can’t see Southgate in the Premiership, different kettle of fish altogether, but some ‘dreamers’ might find him a draw….if they have the patience.
Maybe he is just a coach but is he a manager…..he appears to be a chummy type managers, one of the lads, more of an arm around the shoulder than a kick up the arse type, but sometimes you need that gun in your arsenal of options.
Sorry, but he lacks that final push, an always the bridesmaid never a bride type of manager who looks promising but fails at the final hurdle….the record books don’t lie and habitual ‘nearly did it managers’ don’t make the record books.
Knowing the FA …..he’s here for life.

again fans are being told that the arse kicking managers are a thing of the past and we need to be educated in the new game and the different breed of manager thats needed. they are called deep thinkers of the game whatever that actually means. he will be in the job as long as he wants it until a mark 2 version pops up who will not upset anyone in interviews and follows the latest must do from the fa no matter how fans feel.

I'm no Southgate fan, personally I'm not bothered if he stays or goes but the situation seems to be that the FA want him to continue while it looks odd on that he will choose to step down.

On saying that re "arse kicking managers" I'm not sure it works. I worked as a subcontracting bricklayer for over 35 years and had all sorts of bosses. Good, bad and ugly.

The ones I worked the best for were the ones I respected, the ones who I knew could do it themselves, the ones who didn't expect the impossible. This surely applies to all jobs.

He's gone!!

Reports state he brought England back from the brink, with the pool of players he had at his disposal any half decent manager could have.

We played with ten men for most of the competition as Kane's legs have gone. He was rarely in the penalty area when crosses were made and passes to him were effectively giving the ball to the opponents.
Southgate's dropping of Grealish shows that he was not interested in skilful, entertaining players akin to the Spain teams wingers. He has resigned and Kane should follow.

Nailed on, right character for FA mot controversial.

Nice age to retire with a few million in the bank, he could pick a job up in the Championship if he was really bothered but will have a seat in the House of Lords no doubt, decent daily rate.

Surely he's the only English man worth a shot or will they go foreign again, bet Mourinho chucks his hat in the ring.
Eddie Howe has over achieved at Newcastle by finding a way to get a tune out of average players and those that other managers couldn't. Imagine what he could do with the best English players available.

I wasn’t advocating arse kicking as a way of management, but it’s useful occasional tool to use in moderation.
Arse kicking is preferable to arse licking.

Apparently Southgate handed his resignation to Kane who passed it to Bellingham. Bellingham passed it to Stones who gave it to Pickford who handed it to the FA.

That made me laugh out loud

It all comes down to the managers mindset on how he coaches his teams to play. Southgate as a player and young boy was a cautious defender, not a risk taker. You’re asking a squad of talented individuals to go against their natural instinct to be forward thinking, offensive and attacking. Further, his philosophy is to always play the so called best players even if it means they are out of position. This is incorrect. A team must be balanced in that every player should be confident in moving forward. But Southgate was scared to drop his top players . Top managers would not think twice in pulling off underachieving players. IMO he is tactically naive and not bold enough. Mark Goldbridge is a top podcast pundit on YouTube and explains very well the problems England have.

Brian Clough said football is a simple game, made complicated by idiots, sums Southgate up perfectly.

Not just tactics either, they all looked listless and lacking fitness throughout.

"Ice Cold Ivan" should have been given a run out - he was rearing to go. He could have been played in one of the group games thereby giving the tired Kane a rest.

I love how they’ve taken a game so good and so simple it can be played anywhere and tried to turn it into a science with ‘qualified’ this and ‘qualified’ that to achieve succes with money no object…and still fail.

if any kid was thinking about taking the game up he,d be put off as soon as he listens to pundits and the self titled experts about the game. makes it sound like chess which i could not get my head around so they,d look elsewhere.