5 CCJ's and a winding up order issued today with a few directors resigning.

Club is once again on the brink

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A quote from a york fan.

"When Hartlepool matched your wage offer for Max Koughan of £1800 a week you came back with an eye opening offer for him,hence why he turned Askey down.
Player at York told me this"

Your owner needs serious cash to be paying salary like this plus all of the rest of your signings.

Interesting article here on the owner
https://theathletic.com/4844776/2023/09 ... ted-fraud/

Thats the one Clive.

Seems to be the norm nowadays, Spending above your/our needs.
Why people do it, Who knows.

So Pools matched an offer of £1800 a week for a York City player. That doesn't sound like penny pinching to me.
I wonder if our resident doomers/ Raj haters have anything to say about that situation.

Well……..driving down Clarence road today and saw two dodgy characters holding a banner and wearing sandwich boards with the words ‘Just Stop Raj’ written on but there was no traffic to hold up although an invalid scooter ‘driver’ did give them some grief when her battery died. Then the Girl Guides arrested them, they went quietly.

They will say, it should have been in the region of £1800.25 to £1801 per week, good enough reason why we couldn't match them...

Well they’ve got him to put the club up for sale. Surely not naive enough to think he’d spend another penny, but he has.
But I suspect whatever he spent would just never be enough.

The previous owner (and probably still is) Peter Swann is married to the granddaughter of the Wilkinson's founder and is/was still on the board of directors.

This other fella does seem a bit dodgy under the "fit & proper" persons to run a football club.

If someone from york said this then of course it must believable. If were splashing that cash about it wont be long before we replace these lads out injured then with some quality and not youngsters to make up numbers.

That last 0 must of been accidentally typed.
Take what ya read on here as not gospel is the best policy.

You,ve been laying down in those poppy fiels again.

Never a truer word.

""""Up for Sale""""



I think they might well have offered a lad 1800 a week but just didn't stipulate what currency.

Raj said 2 year ago he wanted to get rid of players on 1500 quid a week, now people beleive were trying to get a york player on 1800 whilst once again struggling for strength in depth for 3 seasons in a row in august and september. Its like the fictious 100k bids fans believe went in for strikers in league 1 and 2 only to then get someone from wealdstone or halifax.

Read my posts, I said from the off he ain’t going anywhere, but he did indeed put the ‘up for sale’…in theory.

Mate its only ever far fetched if its something that might make Raj look less than perfect.

Just a glorious vision…. Imagination is a wonderful thing.

if we signed players who were paid and signed for double that amount some will not be satisfield till we outbid wrexham and stockport for players.

Some people’s glasses are half full, some half empty….. some don’t have a bottom in them .

Some might but what most of us want is a team that can handle two to three injuries and compete at the top end of the national league, not implode at the slightest problems. Not have to rely on bringing kids in 10 games into a season, im not sure thats asking the earth for one of the biggest clubs in the league. Southend in total dissaray have picked up exactly the same amount of points as us, that tells me this league barring chesterfield is weak, it would not take much this season to be competing at the top.

Oh do give over.

You two need to look in the mirror.
You believe everything that is said against Raj that shows him in a bad light, made up or otherwise but as soon as someone says anything that remotely contradicts your remorseless hounding of the man, you immediately try to rubbish it.
I set out to prove a point and you both, in tandem, rose to the bait.
Chomp Chomp.

just because there is not much to choose between a lot of the teams in the league does not mean the league is weak. you could look at it the other way and say its all of a good standard. if you just base it on gates alone then we are one of the biggest clubs in the league. base it on the availability to spend then i do not ot think we are. this is not a dig at raj either its just it is what it is and we have just to get on with it or walk away.

" not implode at the slightest problem " You say. What's slight about losing Mancini, Dodds and Cookie??????
After ten games we are in a play off position. So actually we ARE competing at the top. We got a point last night and could have got three, against the only side to have beaten Chesterfield.
When the manager decides to sort our defensive, goal leaking frailties out, we will be well capable of staying in the play off positions. Or is Raj to blame for Askey's failure to recognise that we are leaking goals for fun. Was it Raj who insisted on playing our attacking left back in central defence with a recognised centre half on the bench????
Was it Raj who insisted on bringing our two goalies in???? Was it Raj who insisted that our new attacking midfielder should spend his time warming the bench????

The reference to ‘implode at the slightest problem’…… the problems aren’t ‘slight’ and can happen at any club, pure chance getting an injury,
Next minute it’s a huge problem…er…which way is it….?
Altrincham made a big signing from Stockport to lead the line this season, he played two games, got an ACL injury and is now out for the season.

Askey can only bring in the players he can afford. Once again your shifting blame onto the manager one day we all might realise it cant be every managers fault here. Ive said myself i dont think askey has helped himself, certainly hasnt helped umerah since he came here. Cook was part of a team that hardly won a game last season, dodds has been in a defence thats not kept a clean sheet, so lets not put them on a pedestal too much, dodds obviously has been a miss but surely by now we should maybe of had someone in, so that ferguson hasnt had to play centre back etc.
Like you believe were putting in these great bids for players, 1800 quid a week so why then did we sign a kid on loan who cant even get into the team, sign a young goalie who probobly wont get a sniff and now looking at an academy player? Hardly the hallmarks of paying big money out is it?

You then mention were competing at the top. 9 goals in 3 games against the footballing powers of oxford city, woking and altrincham who had won a whopping 1 in 8 games . Since mancini has been injured we have picked up 4 points in what 4 or 5 games? thats actually relegation form, so our position is pretty false given the team we now put on the pitch.

fans can use stats any way they like to knock the owner, manager and players. we do need a few more players in but lets not forget we are still paying out wages for 2 who might not kick a ball for us again this season. therefore you are paying out double just to be in the same position we were in at the start of the season without making the squad stronger in numbers. basically hendrie is costing the club double what he would have done if we had signed him to increase the squad numbers. would like to know where our magic money tree is. all clubs have a budget for new players and JA cannot have much left to cover being unlucky with injuries bringing in players as good as those who are out.

Raj also can only provide the budget he can afford. Dodds best position is right back, Fergie left back. Where they play is the managers choice, that's not shifting blame it's stating what's happening, or are we to blame Raj for team selection. JA has stated he gets backed as manager. Curle was backed, so was Hartley. Maybe not backed in the way you think that Raj should but you have no say in the matter.
If Raj does sell, there is no guarantee that our manager will have a bigger budget, or even a job, no guarantee of success and no guarantee that the show will be run better.
He is what he is and is all we've got. If there is to be a next one, our position will be the same, until we hound him out as well.

You then mention were competing at the top. 9 goals in 3 games against the footballing powers of oxford city, woking and altrincham who had won a whopping 1 in 8 games . Since mancini has been injured we have picked up 4 points in what 4 or 5 games? thats actually relegation form, so our position is pretty false given the team we now put on the pitch.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]
fans can use stats any way they like to knock the owner, manager and players. we do need a few more players in but lets not forget we are still paying out wages for 2 who might not kick a ball for us again this season. therefore you are paying out double just to be in the same position we were in at the start of the season without making the squad stronger in numbers. basically hendrie is costing the club double what he would have done if we had signed him to increase the squad numbers. would like to know where our magic money tree is. all clubs have a budget for new players and JA cannot have much left to cover being unlucky with injuries bringing in players as good as those who are out.[/quote]

Pools will have insurance to cover injured players, maybe not cover all of their wages though.

The days of some one like IOR supporting Pools are long gone, we will only ever get another owner like Raj Singh who don’t have money to burn.

The script goes like this…..
Raj goes, millionaire turns up next day so we can all live happily ever after and happiness reigns every season.

And pigs will fly Snowy !

Prior to IOR apart from Gibson’s reign (a ride on one hell of a roller coaster with no brakes ) and Harold’s stabilising exercise which he admitted he couldn’t afford, it’s been a dismal time generally since 1908.
The ‘ cling ons’ and those drawn in by IOR have found it especially hard to cope..I know several die hards who I worked with who took the piss because I went to Pools, but suddenly they became super Poolies virtually overnight when IOR arrived….. for some, the match made in heaven turned sour, no stomach for the tough patches.
I like to think I was there when, as a naval person described it to me ‘he was there when they were needing them not feeding them’ …that does so apply to Pools

You are so right there Jamie, so right, but to some it’s as simple as that.

The question no one can answer is this, ….why do people assume if one owner leaves, the new owner will be any better and is gonna make their dreams become reality? There’s a naivety that’s hard to comprehend unless you have fairies at the bottom of the garden.

funny how fans of other clubs also stopped mentioning pools in the IOR days and left me alone for a few seasons. its easy to follow a bit of success but we were the ones who had a good idea that it would not last forever. its the downside of watching many lower league clubs as i,m sure in the years to come the wrexhams of this world will be seeing a lean spell yet again at their club.

The novelty wears off.
The ideal owner is a fan who is loaded……we’re doomed

Fans wrongly assume Raj Singh has money to burn, he hasn’t, look where we ended up after IOR, 2 crooks went to jail after stealing the gate money then the the snake oil salesman Coxhall. IOR couldn’t wait to offload Pools as they were a small company with 20 employees, they could no longer sustain the losses after Borge Larsen bailed out.

Absolute nonsense Jamie. I think it's a reasonable ask for a club our size to not be run in a farcical rag tag manner, to be competing at the top end of the fifth tier and I don't mean while running the tightrope of a paper thin squad. For some people (who quickly forget the bitter taste of the humble pie they had to cram down their necks last season) this appears to be too much to ask.

Can’t let it go can you…..so if you’re right about the clubs finances…..are you Raj’s accountant, because logically I can’t you could possibly know anything about the club’s expenditure.

The older fans not all seem to lack ambition and pin this freefall form on injuries only.
When in reality we went into the season with a 5 a side squad. Maybe the good start keeps us in this division.
And when the dog n duck players on 40k a week leave in May we piss the league next season.

If we went in with a 5 a side squad, they were racking the wins up till the injuries hit, so cause and effect is justified if not even bleedin obvious.
As for the older fans lacking ambition it’s just that we’ve got to the stage where don’t believe in fairy stories anymore and there is no knight in shining armour coming over the hill to lavish money on us, sometimes you have to work with what you’ve got because as we found out last time ….nobody cares out there to rescue us …..so swim or drown.

You really think one needs access to a clubs finances to asses how ambitious it should be? And what on Earth has that got to do with it being an utter cluster at times?

I can let it go Snowy, unlike you though some people don't learn and have short memories.

If Raj does sell, there is no guarantee that our manager will have a bigger budget, or even a job, no guarantee of success and no guarantee that the show will be run better.
He is what he is and is all we've got. If there is to be a next one, our position will be the same, until we hound him out as well.[/quote]
The script goes like this…..
Raj goes, millionaire turns up next day so we can all live happily ever after and happiness reigns every season.[/quote]

And pigs will fly Snowy ![/quote]
You are so right there Jamie, so right, but to some it’s as simple as that.

The question no one can answer is this, ….why do people assume if one owner leaves, the new owner will be any better and is gonna make their dreams become reality? There’s a naivety that’s hard to comprehend unless you have fairies at the bottom of the garden.[/quote]


Fans wrongly assume Raj Singh has money to burn, he hasn’t, look where we ended up after IOR, 2 crooks went to jail after stealing the gate money then the the snake oil salesman Coxhall. IOR couldn’t wait to offload Pools as they were a small company with 20 employees, they could no longer sustain the losses after Borge Larsen bailed out.[/quote]

Absolute nonsense Jamie. I think it's a reasonable ask for a club our size to not be run in a farcical rag tag manner, to be competing at the top end of the fifth tier and I don't mean while running the tightrope of a paper thin squad. For some people (who quickly forget the bitter taste of the humble pie they had to cram down their necks last season) this appears to be too much to ask.[/quote]


What planet do you live on, IOR ‘bought’the glory days with the assistance of Borg Larsen, (LOG) registering Pools in the Virgin Islands and writing off a £1 million pounds a season against tax. Larsen got done for tax evasion in Norway and withdrew his backing and as I said earlier IOR with only 20 employees couldn’t continue to financially support Pools.
Raj Singh isn’t in a position to do that, his budget is based on gates of around 4000 fans nought else, he won’t be putting any or very little of his money into Pools. We are back to the pre IOR days now as Snowy mentioned.

o for the days when clubs relied on their gates without stands and grounds being re named every other season and shirts had no sponsors name on them. this has never helped pools to push on and until the day we get bankrolled like teams who we never previously had heard of it will be a constant struggle with the only hope we get lucky in the transfer market with a team of mancini, manny d and dodds who all stay around for a second contract.

You would think the way some fans go on its as if this as good as it gets, like last season never happened. Were in division 5 mixing it with the gatesheads and wokings and plummeting at a rapid rate after a great start. We must have the most patient fans in the land.

By the time the dog and duck players go it will of gone up to 50 k a week.

No they don’t, they’re just more realistic and relaxed about it .. over expectation and entitlement is what kills the soul. Football success comes in waves, even the biggest clubs suffer it, we are no exception, the tide will turn, it always does and if you haven’t got the financial clout yourself to change it, it’s easier to ride the waves.

if anyone wanted instant and permanent success they,d never have entered the vic in the first place. think man.city fans will eventually get bored by winning unless they win every game in style. at least when pools do win we get a hell of a lot more enjoyment out of it than clubs fans who feel entitled to success.

The reason I started supporting Pools was because they were MY local team. If I’d wanted success (in relative terms) I’d have got the train up to Sunderland to see them with my cousin. He couldn’t comprehend why I supported Pools. I definitely couldn’t understand him travelling up to Joker Park…but I always pull him up when he says he’s a ‘Poolie’… not a full one, there’s a big piece missing I’m afraid.

always remember when i moved to yorkshire i seemed to have more in common with those who supported halifax or bradford pa than those who went to huddersfield or manchester united. those of the former became lifetime friends but never the latter brigade. they might all support football but are different types of people.

We get accused of having no ambition but what ambition are the accusers demonstrating.
They effectively are pushing for the club to fold. They hound the owner (that's the guy who saved us from oblivion) at every corner, without even the slightest concern that, if he walks, chances are we teeter on the edge of oblivion again. Where's the ambition in that.
The wise old owls amongst us can recognise this and also recognise that he, until someone else turns up, is all we've got.
I, just like the rest of us, would like an owner who can take us forward and has the financial clout to do that, always dependent upon how much of his fortune he is prepared to spend. That always is his decision and I will never have the right to place demands on him.
What are my ambitions for my club???
I would like to see us as an established Div one side, able to compete and perhaps venture into the championship now and again, with the odd cup match against the big boys. I'd also like to watch my team walk out at Wembley. If my ambitions fall below the ambitions of others, do I care. NAH.
We are never going to be English champions, Fa cup winners or compete in Europe and I would never demand that. Even if we did climb to those dizzy heights the doomers would still be whingeing.