Well well well another silly law is being passed. Smart meters are at stage 11 of 12 steps needed to make it law. It looks like it will be law by end of this year and only needs Charles to pass it as law (12). Every house and business will be required to allow these meters to be fitted on request. If you refuse they can force entry and use responsible force. If that does not work they have the backing of the police who will assist it the break in to allow the fitter to fit the meter. The EPC gives a property an energy officiency rating from A to G and is valid for 10 years. Government has proposed to increase the minimum standard to an EPC rating of C or above by 2025 for new tenancies, and by 2028 for every existing tenancy. If you fail to get a required reading for your property you could face a £15000 fine or 1 year in Jail. At the moment 6 smart jails are being built 2 are already finished. Until more people wake up we are screwed.

When these first came out I never took much notice, stayed in for the day they said they were coming, put a days holiday in and no one turned up.
This happened two more times within three months, same result. So I thought bollox, that’s your lot, three days holiday wasted for nowt.
A month later I get a letter telling they were coming on a certain date and it was on the wife’s day off….and unsurprisingly no one turned up.
Every time one of those snivelling letters turns up I just ignore them.

I got a message two weeks ago saying " good news we are going to fit you a new meter next week " I called them and cancelled the appointment but was told you will have one fitted soon because the government are insisting on making it law. I found that really funny that its nothing to do with the profit monsters controlling the government. Anyway its going exactly how they wanted. Strange how things like meters have somehow become law. MONEY MONEY MONEY.

About 5 years ago they arranged to come to my flat and fit one. The van arrived and they had a look and said it is not possible because you are too far away from the meter, electric one. They still rang me up every month to arrange a visit and none had any idea that someone had said it couldn't be done.

A while since they phoned now though but your message suggests they will be back!

I had one in a house before and answered the door to a meter reader. He said we have to check that they are working properly, without one no one ever came to read the meter. Bureaucracy is taking over everything.

6 jails were proposed to be built some 18 months ago but I think you will find;

They are not new but extensions to existing jails & 3 of the 6 have not got planning permission yet. Typical f*ck up by this government.

By the way I shall refuse any form of smart meter, even to the extent I will do away with traditional leccy & gas and seriously consider moving to my idyllic Greek Island

Similar I have a flat, it won’t transmit signal to the second floor, I had them in a house, I changed suppliers, the meters weren’t compatible to the new suppliers software.
I think the last estimate was £12 billion to fit smart meters of course at our expense.

Where they are compulsory

And their profits.

The fitting of smart meters is to allow your supply to be disconnected remotely if your in debt or using too much its described in this new net zero bill as limit usage.
Log burners to be banned.
Insulation to be brought up to new U values which is impossible in older house.
Threat of a 15k fine or Jail.

The government and all parties have now showed there hand and want us in poverty and misery by there 2030 target and I personally who have paid into a system 30 years only to whiteness our and our children's standard of life diminished would rather do there jail time.

All for global warming but you ask why do all elites fly in private jets , easing of effluents into rivers and seas by big companies then
Rich boy shoeRack has a pool in his 3rd home costing 14k to heat etc etc

But look at there no Jab no Job properganda and look how that turned out , ignore all authorities

My first day in jail


Me "what you in for mate? "
A careeer criminal "affray and armed robbery ! How about you?"
Me "I refused to knock all my plaster off and get insulation boards fitted !! that's not all I refused e ground source heat pump and change all my pipework to 22mm speed fit"
Him " you naughty bastard"

Hangings too good for him….

Heat pumps, they offered a £5K grant for something that costs £22k to install and your hot water ain’t gonna be exactly hot.
Who is going to benefit from this, not us.

They showed a selection of students coming out of a top US Uni and asked them how long the Earth had left…the average reply was seven years,,,,,which begs the question why are you so dumb as to be studying for something when you could be out making the most of what time you have left.
Degree’s….?, they have the IQ of a sprout.

I'm still waiting for my fine to come through for the 2022 cencus , everything is to put us in a state of fear I don't believe the average you and me are adding to global warming climate change

2022- what they did one last year as well - you're not the only one!

All for the myth of global warming.
I always refer to the end of the Ice Age which was rapid and recent in relative terms.
If it happened nowadays the Just Stop Oil Anoraks would be self combusting.
But when it happened man’s impact on the planet was irrelevant because we were small in numbers…. yet it happened….. in it’s extreme form it’s called the weather and it just does what it does.
But Global Warming has proved to be a useful tool for those in power, which most people meekly accept.

Extreme weather happens globally every 7 years or so as a result of the El Nino phenomonon. This year is an El Nino year but it's most convenient to blame the "climate emergency".
And what's strange to me is they're claiming the ice caps are melting at a tremendous rate, well where's all the water going because sea levels are not rising accordingly?
All the latest tax raising wheeze imo.

on top of all this will a smart meter save us money. will a heat pump work to keep us warm and save us money. very much doubt it. if they were so good then people would be all in a queue waiting for them to be fitted. once removed what will they do with the old meters. refurb em and sell em off to china, india or africa possibly. everything is a con for us but there will be those being made rich out of all the cons foistered on us over the last few years. one day they,ll think up something we all actually want and agree with.

Don't worry, Sir Keir and his trusty mate, Dame Angela are waiting poised to come to our rescue. It won't be long now, their white chargers are being groomed as we speak.
Three Our Fathers three Hail Mary's and a reverent nod to Allah.
We're all gonna need their help.

the best we can ever get from that lot is getting into a frying pan from the fire. that would prove they were a success.

I want the Tories to win the election, they got us into the current situation let them sort it out, they won’t want to win though as over the next 5 years after the election they can then blame Labour.

That's what politicians do, Jamie. They blame each other. Just like Labour will do if they get in.
On quite a few occasions you have said you want the Tories to win but each time you said it, I asked are you going to vote for them to help them win. So I'll ask it again, Are you????????

I want the Tories to win because they can’t blame the opposition, no I would never vote Tory, over the years all they wanted to do was keep the working class down even now they trying to change the EU Workers rights entitlement.

Well I get the chance to vote in the by election in a month's time in Tamworth following Chris Pincher's resignation.

Choices are Cons, Lab, Lib Dems, Reform & Independent.

The interesting thing is both Cons & Reform have candidates with the surname Cooper.

Who would you vote for - I will sit on the fence and give the Independent some hope.

So you don't like what the Tories are doing/or have done but you want them to win and carry on doing what Tories do ( cos that's what will happen).
Although you want the Tories to win you would never cast your vote their way to help them achieve what you want. Instead you want the majority of the rest of us to do that for you because that's what has to happen to get you your wish.
You are one of the biggest critics of the Tories on this Forum and yet you want to keep them in power.
You obviously don't think any of the opposition parties are capable of doing a better job. I think you could be right on that point.
We'll see when the election comes round.

Hangus did well out of Politics.
Kids still waiting for there so called free bananas.
There was only one winner there.

You ask a big question Mr C but only you can really answer it.

I think Hangus honoured his manifesto on free bananas for school kids, I'm sure he went round the town schools handing out boxes of candy bananas.

Is Mr Drummond still in politics Kev??

I noticed the Just Stop Oil lot didn't do much protesting during the school holidays. Is it because they all needed to be at home to look after their grandkids home from their boarding schools?

Just a different perspective on smart meters, & you can call me naïve if you want to & I don’t pretend that the system is perfect
Leaving politics aside, last winter showed that UK needs to be more energy self-sufficient & not have to rely as much on supplies from other countries. Smart meters enable both the consumer & the provider to determine when most electricity is used. For most households it’s late afternoon/early evening & if it’s possible to reduce overall electricity consumption during that period then total demand moves towards the economic supply. Granted, it gives the supplier more information but it also gives the consumer some possible options.
We have recently switched to Octopus Energy as they have a range of fixed & variable tariffs. The previous direct debit paid to Eon of £163 reduced to £115 per month. Octopus also price electricity at half-hourly intervals on their Agile tariff & over 3 half-hour periods last night & early morning today THEY PAID ME TO USE ELECTRICITY. Those Price Plunges are not unique, & Octopus alerted me to them becoming available
You can get a quote via this website, simply by inputting your postcode

https://octopus.energy/tariffs/

If you do decide to switch to Octopus, I can give you an introduction code which credits £50 to your fuel bill – just PM me for the code. If you make the switch, Octopus will pay me £50 too, but we will add that to my wife’s JustGiving page for the Jeff Stelling Prostate Cancer 2023 March - see the separate thread viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66358

Smart meters are a good idea in the hands of good honest public servants but can be used as a control tool they can disconnect your supply remotely !!! with the current system they need to dig road up cut and scotch cast supply.

If you honestly trust government's who've sold our publicly owned utility's(gas , electric ,water etc) to private companies then let them increase charges at will you need to re asses this current situation.

The practice of taking something from someone then renting it back to them is called double Dipping and is illegal , smart meters aren't smart.

Voice of reason

really i imagine most are like me. use as little gas and electricity as possible for one single reason. just to keep the bills down no matter what sodding meter is installed in the house. the less you use is less profits for the bastards.

Oh to go back to the Leccy Board and Gas board…. everyone supplied by the same supplier, none of this different suppliers with different rates, it’s easier with one big supplier because everyone can focus on them, plus their bosses are the government not shareholders picking up dividends….who probably don’t even live in the country.

Apart from the fact they will put up the prices to cover any loss in usage. Like standing charges, no matter what we do to affect our consumption performance, we can't alter the standing charge by even a penny.

It’s the low users who struggle, at one time not all suppliers had a Standing Charge, I didn’t albeit you paid a bit more for your energy, the government made it mandatory for some reason.

that is the biggest theft invented by man. move away from your home for summer and you have to still pay for something you have not used. its bad enough paying council tax for many services you never use. at least the service charge on your restaurant bill can be removed if you are willing for the other customers listening to you. rip off britain. the most truthful name of a tv programme ever.

well i for one would not mind paying more for the units i use if they took the standing theft off. next thing is asda charging a flat fee for entering the shop because they built it out of the goodness of their heart.

Just watched a bloke on YouTube turn off his smart meter outside his house yet the usage kept going up. Can anyone who has a smart meter confirm this please

Shell have more than doubled my DD, I had 3 weeks of higher than normal usage therefore they calculated I would be using the same amount of energy for the other 49 weeks obviously I will be looking into it.
Shell is selling its home energy division to Octopus Energy in the coming weeks.

A roll of lead will come in handy after they force there way into my house to fit the smart meter , the meter and all the interfaces will be wrapped in the stuff there will be less communication between them all than a Keith Curle midfield the meter won't know what hit it.
We will over come any adversity the government puts us through that's why they hate us.

lem is there are many who just feel the same way. the only problem is the majority do not want em but will put the kettle on for the installers when they come around. same with most things foistered on us where we accept anything if the council or government says so no matter how much they disagree even if they are the majority.

Way way to many sheeples and they know it. It's a bit like wife beaters if you don't say NO stop it now it will only get worse.

Parking charges

true, but you can push and prod the most mild mannered animal and it will eventually turn on you. in the end it will be possibly something and nothing that will cause mass dissobediance and not something major that they have got away with.

The biggest con of all….brought them in at Seaton to pay for improvements, what improvements?
I assumed it would be car related ‘improvements’…silly me.

well they did demolish the longscar blot on the place.

True, but why should motorists have to pay for it with their parking charges.

To pay for security the hospital used why they brought parking charges in then subbied the parking out to a private company as well as selling the car parks off.

think paying hospital parking charges when you go into an out patient department is the worst of all parking charge. you go to a hospital only because you have to. most other places where you have to pay them is for some type of enjoyment.