Pleased he’s been sorted out. I always thought he got a bad rap.

he did....likely wont be first choice, but think he will do ok, he may take a bit of time to get used to having a defence in front of him though

Nice enough lad but its no good having one great game every 20. He will be quickly found out by Barnsley fans and end up seeing his contract out in the reserves. Would love him to prove me wrong but he ain't a kid no more and should have blossomed by now.

3rd choice i would think.

Maybe a bit of decent coaching will see him improve. Still, a little surprised he's signed for top tier league 1 side even if he is third choice.

Can't see it myself, we had 3 or 4 different full time goalkeeping coaches in his time with us and if there was any improvement it was negligible.
As long as he insists on being rooted to his line for corners and set pieces he's not going to play at a high level regularly. His decision making needs to improve too, how many times did he cost us goals and points by needlessly coming out of his box?
Some will say the defence exposed him too much, but the defence hasn't been bad for 4 years as I recall, and the defence last season improved for the change of keeper imo.
Good luck to the lad, but based on their previous experience I'd say we've got 2 better options for the jersey.

he is a very lucky lad indeed. ended up second choice for a team relegated from div.2 to beco0me a league 1 player in one of the better sides. he might only be a back up but he,ll be getting a decent screw for doing it. there will be far better players than him who will struggle to get a club never mind going to a better one.

He showed what he is/was capable of v Stockport, Where was all that before.
He knew he was leaving and put on a show.

Super saves he excelled at, but the everyday basic match winning basic stuff was beyond him.
As for being let down by defences, it doesn’t do a defence any favours when the goalie is prone to basic gaffes either.
I can only assume they saw his performance at Stockport and thought Wow, he’s good.

for every stockport game he had at least five others where he was to blame. bit like them signing trusty because he made a couple of decent passes in one single game.

Only five Mr A….you are one generous person sir.

People are very unfair on Killip. He was the best Goalkeeper at being in the right place and shot stopping in the Division. His problem was a lack of height and being found out on crosses and corners. In general play he was at least League 1 standard. Doubt he will learn to overcome his cross fear at Barnsley but if he does he will may be go a League higher and challenge for Number 1 there.

Any chance you could give me a bit of what your on please

Guess who was in goal for Barnsley's 9-1 defeat to Leeds in a BCD friendly?

I think if he was as good as snailwood suggests then Askey would've played him and kept him.

In so many words you’ve said he was good at the fancy Dan bits but crap with the everyday basics of being a goalkeeper, yet of league one standard
Please have your water tested, because someone’s putting mind altering drugs in the plumbing.

He’s an excellent shot stopper for this level but relatively weak on crosses and prone to a howler, bansley reserve is around his level, he’s nowhere near as bad as some are making out, and as for it being his job to make our defence more confident/less shit somehow next season , I think the second coming of Gordon Banks would struggle with that

People say he’s an excellent shot stopper…and that’s bit like saying someone is excellent at steering a car but shit at working the clutch and brakes, you can’t have one without the other….you tend to crash…and we did….frequently.

doing the easy things well without mistakes is better than having a handful of saves of the season. was a keeper myself till i got a bad injury and was good enough to get trials at halifax and watford. problem with me was i was a 60,s version of killip where one minute i,d save a good penalty and the next i,d give a goal away by flapping at the resulting corner.

killip and our defence were as bad as each other. doubt anyone trusted the other. you can twist things both ways to fault who you want. these shots he did save, well i,d guess the vast amount of league 2 keepers would have made them also and their fans would have expected it from him. showed that the first time we got another keeper in he was left out in the cold and his fan club must have been happy when they could compare him to letheran and beeney.

Northern Echo states Barnsley have signed goalkeeper from Boro. How many keepers do they want.

Barnsley main goalkeeper Brad Collins joined Coventry the other day, so Killip could yet end up number 1. He is an excellent keeper apart from the one fatal flaw of crosses, which are obviously a major part of the game, hence why he was at our level.

Barnsley operate a Statistical approach similar to Brighton and Brentford so he must show up well at something. The cross fear will hold him back as you all say.

Agree crosses are his weakness, but as I said having a defence in front of him who couldn’t stop crosses coming in or defend any crosse’s definitely made the situation worse

Had to laugh at Eddie Kyles ‘analysis’ especially when we had Hartley embarrassing himself every game…Kyle would still constantly blame killip for any headed goal

Killip and his defence were a match made in the land of confusion. He gave them no confidence and they gave non in return. I’m amazed he lasted so long.

Ya forgot to mention the week as ace lager Midfield which gets by passed for fun almost every game.
Hence putting pressure on your theory.

Maybe a bit of forgiveness in division 5.
UTP.

he wasn,t all that great coming off his line either blocking shots or beating others to the ball. one thing we can all agree on is pools could have had their own slap stick comedy act called The Two Hartleys.

Eddie Kyle talked a lot of sense and if you look back at Killips goals conceded he was garbage at crosses and garbage in 1 on 1 situations, even his penalty saving record was poor (regardless of the Stockport exceptional performance). Kyle is of an era where the mantra was the keeper commands his penalty area and certainly his 6 yard box, Killip couldn't command his goal line.
Fact is Killip couldn't displace the loan fella last season, and Challinor didnt bring him back for the play offs even though he was fit, says it all!

I take it you’re not a fan of Eddie Kyle, as you seem to jump at every opportunity to mock his comments.
I found he generally talked a lot of sense and he was more than well qualified to spot a duffer like Killip between the sticks.
As for Killip and Hartley, he was consistent, consistently annoying for all his managers, I just wonder why he lasted so long.

Spoke with Eddie numerous times outside of the Vic and on other engagements outside of football - great guy and knows his stuff.

wasnt a fan of alot that went on at Pools - hence him leaving his role

I thought Kyle was a good commentator and enjoyed listening to his views but one thing came over he just did not like Raj as a person and and wasted no time in criticising him.

I also enjoyed listening to Eddie very knowledgeable bloke.I also shared his concerns regarding Killdrop.

what i liked about him was their was no bullshit about him and said it has he saw it. nothing worse listening to a commontator trying to whitewash every that was going on.

He was fixated on certain players and gave others a complete pass, any keeper who wasnt Mr Tickle he seemed to think was shite

Er, no. Just admit you don’t like the bloke and his opinion.

He is a genuine Pools fan but has fixations on certain weaknesses that he then looks for while giving others a pass.....Hartley was an absolute comedian in the few games he was wheeled out for example, but Kyle seemed to mistake hacking people down, and fist pumping after one of his own mistakes as 'showing his experience'

Hartley gives away countless free kicks in good positions....the oppo then unsurprisingly score from one......wtf Killip!

Just remind us please how many games did Hartley actually play and cause us to concede so many goals?
Bottom line is Killip is the poorest keeper we've had in aomg time, couldn't displace the kid from Boro under DC and couldn't displace Lucas under JA.
Whether he is a success anywhere else is purely accademical but I wouldn't bet on it.

I don't see him being first choice for Banrsley, but if you think Killip is amongst the worse keepers we have had you have lived a very sheltered life with Pools!

Hartley was culpable for pretty much a goal a game with his mistakes, backing off, constant fouling etc...
Same with the likes of Lacey and Murray....we have had some poor centre backs down the years but the combinations we had this year were hard to beat.

James kept his place as Killip was injured, this from when James joined the club: The capture of James will help to ease Pools boss Dave Challinor's injury concerns after No.1 Ben Killip was ruled out for the rest of the campaign with injury.

Last year considering the Leicester goalkeeper was on many more thousands a week than Killip it is no surprise, but it made no difference to the end result.

Killip was fit for the play offs as I recall? Big wages don't make a player, Hastie and Lacey are reputedly our highest 3atners!
Without doubt he's the worst in a long while, way poorer than Loach, Carson, Flinders, to name a few.

Not many people were sorry to see FLinders go at the time....another whose reputation increased the longer he left.
Going back down the years but I still remember the likes

Budtz
Lee-Barratt
Williams
Hollund
etc...

All with as many if not more mistakes in them as Killip for a side which was at a much higher level.

Thats before we get started with some of the golden oldies...
Steve Jones
Roy Tunks
Rob Moverley
Paul Norton etc..

As I say a very sheltered life if Killip is your definition of a shite Pools goalie.

If you broke them all down into bits you might cobble together a keeper out of them…don’t hold your breath.

I've never said the worst keeper in history, and Holland was actually a very good keeper, head and shoulders above Killip.
As for my memories of keepers over the years, I can go back to the great Ken Simpkin for my early games, but we've had some cracking keepers overall, including, Pears, Harper, Watling, as well as those I mentioned earlier. So overall Killip would be nearer the bottom of my list of all time best than the top.

I think time is giving you rose tinted glasses,.....especially on Pears and Hollund!
Harper was a prem goalie on loan so not really a fair comparison (bit like comparing to Kevin Poole)
All about opinions but i've seen a lot worse shite than Killip!

As you say all about opinions. Don't see how being a loan player excludes someone from being in a list of best players though? If they play for us then the fact that they're on loan is irrelevant imo. Ask most who their best Pools midfielders are and many will have Jan Ove Pederson in their list.

Turning into a right verbal ding-dong this

I'll just say that I liked Eddie Kyle's banter and wouldn't say no to an evening down the pub with him, but he wasn't without his faults as a co-commentator. Once he took against a player he was on their case at every opportunity.

As for the long list of bad Pools keepers down the years - was that really necessary? I'd managed to erase a few of them from my memory banks

Nowt else to talk about in pre-season !

Re the Loan comment--I think its generally not a fair comparison--as obviously you will get a number of examples where the standard is far higher than we could feasibly sign...the Pederson example doesnt make Tinkler (mark!) and Stephenson poor just because they weren't in his league

They’re all in the rear view mirror now, and behind us

Les Green by far the best keeper I have ever seen for Pools followed by Barry Watling. George Smith was half decent as well and so was Harper.

Dunno why everyone raves on about Jan Ove Pederson. Didn't exactly shine as far as I can remember. Kevin Johnston and Michael Brown and Eric Mcmordie for me.

Peterson was a different class, seen him in most games,he had great vision but the players around him couldn’t keep up with him.