Contracts..why bother.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37445

It appears a manager’s contract isn’t worth the paper it’s written on in football, unless you’re a manager.
If a club gives you a 3 year contract and after a year as a manager you’re sacked, the contract has to be paid up.
If you’re a football club, the manager walks in and then decides to walk out, you can do nothing about it....oh, you may well get a settlement but what percentage?
Is it time managers contracts were like players contracts...?

Johnjo1 · **Joined:** Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:52 pm **Posts:** 1625

This is what I posted when people were getting on Rajs back over getting DC to commit to a contract earlier on. The only difference is because of the contract we will I assume be due compensation.

Wommers · **Posted:** Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:58 pm

Yeah the compensation effectively replaces a transfer fee for a player.

Raj is quids in now in theory

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9549

Add in the few decent players DC will no doubt take with him shortly due to the non league transfer regs that allow that then the payroll at Pools will get even cheaper.
Looking like Raj gunna have to release the purse strings in January.
Will he?
Sure he will.
UTP.

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5530

According to Jeff Stelling on Twitter, Challinor was "made an offer that no one would turn down" by Stockport. I'm sure he's in a position to know what he's talking about.

If they were willing to flash the cash to that extent to get their man, paying the full compensation due to Pools per the 3 year contract shouldn't be an issue.

If that proves to be the case DC putting pen to paper with Raj will at least have a silver lining financially. Not sure I feel as forgiving about Challinor's behaviour as Jeff evidently does, but when it comes to securing his family's future he's been there, done that.

chunky1988 · **Joined:** Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:33 pm **Posts:** 1066

even if its the contract worth, id imagine thats around 200k maximum....it's not like we talking millions to pay him out of his contract

a lot more than if he hadn't signed it; plus he will of been earning more money when he signed new contract so for the little time hes been here, he will of been earning extra cash

i don't think we will see a huge exodus of players but every player has their value too.....i doubt they could afford sterry (plus he'll be going higher i imagine when leaves) plus is it worth it to replace southam hales who is more than adequate anyways and dave knows/likes him anyways....you'd be looking at holohan being most likely i think if wanted someone, and not massive cost....then maybe angol/byrne/killip if he looks to employ same tactics as did here

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 7496

kevin pooles gloves wrote:

Add in the few decent players DC will no doubt take with him shortly due to the non league transfer regs that allow that then the payroll at Pools will get even cheaper.
Looking like Raj gunna have to release the purse strings in January.
Will he?
Sure he will.
UTP.

Think you,ll find thier squad is fine as is, The only one i would take is Byrne.

Splod · **Posted:** Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:45 pm

I would expect Raj to have sought a 'non compete' type clause that you would have in other business sectors which would mean DC couldn't come back for other players for a set period of time.

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5530

Pools probably have a few trialists that Challinor signed on short term contracts when he was desperate but anyone he might actually want is contracted with Pools till next June at least.

Stockport are welcome to pay stupid money for this player or that player in January if they're that desperate, but there would be hell on if anyone leaves before the transfer window opens for us. I'm sure Raj knows that.

Infidel · **Joined:** Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:20 am **Posts:** 651

At Darlo this was Singh's mantra. "contracts why bother?" As he decided which players he would pay (the ones he wanted to keep and sell) and the ones he decided not to pay (the ones he tried to force out)

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12367

Infidel wrote:

At Darlo this was Singh's mantra. "contracts why bother?" As he decided which players he would pay (the ones he wanted to keep and sell) and the ones he decided not to pay (the ones he tried to force out)

Yes we know, you have no time for him but you really don't have to worry cos he's not coming back to whichever four bus shelters you call a ground these days.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37445

Infidel wrote:

At Darlo this was Singh's mantra. "contracts why bother?" As he decided which players he would pay (the ones he wanted to keep and sell) and the ones he decided not to pay (the ones he tried to force out)

We get it, you’re bitter, you’re a bit twisted and can’t let the past go...well your version of the past.

Infidel · **Joined:** Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:20 am **Posts:** 651

Snowy wrote:

Infidel wrote:

At Darlo this was Singh's mantra. "contracts why bother?" As he decided which players he would pay (the ones he wanted to keep and sell) and the ones he decided not to pay (the ones he tried to force out)

We get it, you’re bitter, you’re a bit twisted and can’t let the past go...well your version of the past.

No- you're way off mark. I have nothing against HUFC, the town of Hartlepool and HUFC supporters, and I'm a long way past being bitter about Singh's past behaviour.

I'm just pointing out the obvious really, which is - if Singh feels cheesed off that a contract is not being kept to then he's a hypocrite.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12367

Infidel wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Infidel wrote:

At Darlo this was Singh's mantra. "contracts why bother?" As he decided which players he would pay (the ones he wanted to keep and sell) and the ones he decided not to pay (the ones he tried to force out)

We get it, you’re bitter, you’re a bit twisted and can’t let the past go...well your version of the past.

No- you're way off mark. I have nothing against HUFC, the town of Hartlepool and HUFC supporters, and I'm a long way past being bitter about Singh's past behaviour.

I'm just pointing out the obvious really, which is - if Singh feels cheesed off that a contract is not being kept to then he's a hypocrite.

Alternatively you could say he's learning the football ropes.

Flying Hogans · **Joined:** Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm **Posts:** 5530

Flying Hogans wrote:

Pools probably have a few trialists that Challinor signed on short term contracts when he was desperate but anyone he might actually want is contracted with Pools till next June at least.

Stockport are welcome to pay stupid money for this player or that player in January if they're that desperate, but there would be hell on if anyone leaves before the transfer window opens for us. I'm sure Raj knows that.

Nobody else has mentioned it yet but the player Challinor will most likely want with him at Stockport is Nicky Featherstone. In the system he played at Pools, Featherstone's role was key. Challinor said it himself often enough. First name on the team sheet.

thebigdog · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:49 pm **Posts:** 1278

Did Featherstone sign 1 or 2 years? I’d imagine that he’d fancy it with Chall again.

Sweens said it tonight. Some players are gutted. I hope there’s something in that settlement which stops him coming after our lads at least until the season ends.

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3770

Dont know if you were at the Orient game. If you had been you would have seen how the game seemed to pass Featherstone by. On his day he is an influential player but when not his day he can be a liability. If Challinor's idea of footballing success hinges on a one paced 34 yr old, maybe he is not as good as Stockport think he is.

thebigdog · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:49 pm **Posts:** 1278

If you compare the squads side by side you’d definitely take more County players than Pools players on experience and technical ability. There is simply no doubting that.

thebigdog · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:49 pm **Posts:** 1278

A caveat of that being the Stockport squad is worth an utter fortune.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37445

I suspect no one will go to Stockport. The fans will demand money spent on really good new players, not the managers previous players.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19738

well if they did want a pools player just put a stupid price on his head. crawford and killip to stockport in a million pound deal would do.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9549

thebigdog wrote:

If you compare the squads side by side you’d definitely take more County players than Pools players on experience and technical ability. There is simply no doubting that.

They r 9th in a non league division.
Thats how good/bad they r

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19738

kevin pooles gloves wrote:

thebigdog wrote:

If you compare the squads side by side you’d definitely take more County players than Pools players on experience and technical ability. There is simply no doubting that.

They r 9th in a non league division.
Thats how good/bad they r

think that cannot be all down to having a poor manager either. DC may find it much harder to motivate this side of expensive missfits than he did with pools and other clubs before us.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37445

He may find his new class not quite as receptive or malleable as his previous teams.
I still think it’s a chalice for Challinor, a poison one.

The Kit Kat Kid · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:27 am

thebigdog wrote:

A caveat of that being the Stockport squad is worth an utter fortune.

Worth a fortune or cost a fortune ?

thebigdog · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:49 pm **Posts:** 1278

Cost a fortune but also individually they are players with strong records / good experience and proven to have done it before.

If some of them don’t fit his system, he’ll get rid of them and replace them. Would you swap any one of our forwards for Madden, Reid or Scott Quigley - for starters

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3770

Admittedly our forwards are pretty poor compared to almost any team in the League Two and NL but I do think Madden is over rated and over hyped. He is playing in the NL and I dont think he reached double figures last season or this one so far which is pretty ordinary considering the wages he must be on. He missed a sitter against us in that play off game and never looked like scoring after that. On paper Stockport have a top notch squad but as the old cliche goes, football isn't played on paper.

Eiphos_3 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:28 pm

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

Admittedly our forwards are pretty poor compared to almost any team in the League Two and NL but I do think Madden is over rated and over hyped. He is playing in the NL and I dont think he reached double figures last season or this one so far which is pretty ordinary considering the wages he must be on. He missed a sitter against us in that play off game and never looked like scoring after that. On paper Stockport have a top notch squad but as the old cliche goes, football isn't played on paper.

Exactly totally agree - some Players if not most dropping down a level to play on a muddy farmers field in the middle of some rural village find it hard to adapt. Getting changed in a shipping container where the cones and antifreeze are kept can have detrimental affect on some of these over paid fannys. Add to the fact players like Bolton ex captain playing with players who technically might not be on his level when hes looking for that next pass can seriously feck up the structure on how the manager thinks it should work. Yes 1 or 2 players (usually the strikers) can massively help change the teams fortune but ive always said it, even if pools had Messi he wouldnt be banging in 40 a season. Madden and Mullin both not bagging as regular as you would expect. Then theres Michael Cheek notching for fun. wont happen over night and those fools at shiport think it will stpid

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3553

derwent wrote:

Infidel wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Infidel wrote:

At Darlo this was Singh's mantra. "contracts why bother?" As he decided which players he would pay (the ones he wanted to keep and sell) and the ones he decided not to pay (the ones he tried to force out)

We get it, you’re bitter, you’re a bit twisted and can’t let the past go...well your version of the past.

No- you're way off mark. I have nothing against HUFC, the town of Hartlepool and HUFC supporters, and I'm a long way past being bitter about Singh's past behaviour.

I'm just pointing out the obvious really, which is - if Singh feels cheesed off that a contract is not being kept to then he's a hypocrite.

Alternatively you could say he's learning the football ropes.

Will he get his way with Hartlepool council on the redevelopment of the ground mr derwent?

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12367

Sussex UK wrote:

derwent wrote:

Infidel wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Infidel wrote:

At Darlo this was Singh's mantra. "contracts why bother?" As he decided which players he would pay (the ones he wanted to keep and sell) and the ones he decided not to pay (the ones he tried to force out)

We get it, you’re bitter, you’re a bit twisted and can’t let the past go...well your version of the past.

No- you're way off mark. I have nothing against HUFC, the town of Hartlepool and HUFC supporters, and I'm a long way past being bitter about Singh's past behaviour.

I'm just pointing out the obvious really, which is - if Singh feels cheesed off that a contract is not being kept to then he's a hypocrite.

Alternatively you could say he's learning the football ropes.

Will he get his way with Hartlepool council on the redevelopment of the ground mr derwent?

I have no idea what "his way" is. Perhaps you can explain it to me with evidence.
I would suggest you publish what he is asking from Hartlepool Council, with evidence. Then I would suggest you contact Hartlepool Council and ask for their response. At that point you just might get an inkling of how it will all go, if you're lucky that is.
As for me, second guessing on what decision Hartlepool Council may or may not arrive at is way beyond my powers of perception.
I feel flattered that you think I am intelligent enough to accurately predict on such matters.
My intelligence tells me to steer clear of such swampy and muddy waters.
You can carry on if you wish and best of luck to you.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37445

As for the redevelopement of the ground it works like this ...
If they agree it happens, if they don’t it doesn’t

Sussex is only asking because he has a building company called ‘Aardvark Builders and Dangerous Lawn Mower Co’ and wants to get his bid in first.

kebab & chips · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:43 pm

thebigdog wrote:

A caveat of that being the Stockport squad is worth an utter fortune.

But still couldn't beat potless Barnet

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37445

thebigdog wrote:

Cost a fortune but also individually they are players with strong records / good experience and proven to have done it before.

Really? If they’re that good why are they half way down the league, obviously they aren’t ‘doing it’ at present.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3553

Snowy wrote:

As for the redevelopement of the ground it works like this ...
If they agree it happens, if they don’t it doesn’t

Sussex is only asking because he has a building company called ‘Aardvark Builders and Dangerous Lawn Mower Co’ and wants to get his bid in first.

Thought i'd read somewhere he had grander plans for the ground and wondered if there'd been any progress that's all

.It's been a very confusing week for us loids knowing Challinor jumped ship for a non-league club snowy,wtf went on there eh?

and leave our bus shelters alone..

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37445

All I‘ll say on the subject is I’m disappointed in what happened. If you want to know more PM me.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19738

Eiphos_3 wrote:

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Exactly totally agree - some Players if not most dropping down a level to play on a muddy farmers field in the middle of some rural village find it hard to adapt. Getting changed in a shipping container where the cones and antifreeze are kept can have detrimental affect on some of these over paid fannys. Add to the fact players like Bolton ex captain playing with players who technically might not be on his level when hes looking for that next pass can seriously feck up the structure on how the manager thinks it should work. Yes 1 or 2 players (usually the strikers) can massively help change the teams fortune but ive always said it, even if pools had Messi he wouldnt be banging in 40 a season. Madden and Mullin both not bagging as regular as you would expect. Then theres Michael Cheek notching for fun. wont happen over night and those fools at shiport think it will stpid

when you have played in division 1 for years you have players of that ability along side you. dropping down two divisions with poorer players with you is as hard as going up a couple of leagues. how many times over the years have we said about players signed from teams above us that you cannot imagine them playing for these sides. ok some were past it but rarely showed their pedigree.

Contracts..why bother.

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