Double Vaxx,Booster and Flu..Everyone topped up for the Winter?

Yep

Just the booster....Dec 1st.

Just waiting for the one for my Gonorrhoea and chlamydia then I'll been fully covered.

You have to be over 85 to qualify for them, lie about your age...I did.

NO.

6 months and one week for booster =189 days after second.
This may be speeded up but knowing the government it may not.

Sage are asking for plan B of working from home and face masks to be reintroduced very soon.
Yet more bluster and buffoonery from you know who.
Civilised countries never relaxed these rules so why did little England?

Quite right Boris is to blame for the overwhelming majority who are hospitalised and or have died not being vaccinated.

The vaccination one puzzles me, people refusing for some crazy reasons. One lady told me that the vaccine contained a mind control drug to keep us all compliant.

You can't talk about the Queen like that.

The ones i know refusing it seem to be against it because it was knocked up too quick..do they have a point?

If they are right why hasn't there been cures for cancer which have been researched for 30+ years and still no answer?

the answers to the last two are correct. billions spent on cancer research for very little but a vaccine for a new dusease out in months.

According to Sarah Gilbert, the person behind the Astrazenica jab, she has been working on the jab for ten years. We already had jabs for respiratory diseases, it was just a case of tweaking it, just like they do with the flu variants which occur every year. It wasn't a case of inventing it, it was simply an introduction of trials to confirm it's ability to combat covid in particular. As soon as it was accepted by the regulatory bodies as effective, the vaccine was produced.
As for cancer, I was involved in fund raising for cancer research fifty years ago and, whilst great strides have been taken through research, new drugs and procedures to treat it, a one size fits all has eluded us.
Maybe people like Sarah Gilbert should be commissioned to tackle the problem, perhaps pursuing innovative, new ideas and techniques. it seems strange that we are still being thwarted in our endeavours to conquer it.
It is truly amazing the lengths people are prepared to go and the conspiracy theories they are prepared to cling on to, in an effort to avoid getting the jab. Funnily enough every single person I know or have read about who initially refused the jab and then subsequently caught covid, have said they wish they had listened and usually go on to encourage others to get jabbed.

Another three points today please.

Comparing Covid with Cancer is ridiculous....it’s two totally different scenarios.
As for knocking it up two quick, pity it wasn’t quicker..... there’d have been a lot less grieving families..... it’s a bit like being in a plane that’s going down and you’re all given a parachute and start asking if it’s safe,” have you got the paperwork? or you’ve never used one before has it been tested?”.... so you opt for smashing into the ground from 20,000 feet....meanwhile I’m out the door 1 2 3 Paul the cord and Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

The moment everyone involved in researching a cure for cancer succeed in actually finding one they are all immediately on the dole.

Those well-funded turkeys sure ain't daft enough to ever vote for Christmas...

Yes its about time these guys delivered.

and if they did you can bet something else to crop up to kill millions. thing is we are all going to die sometime of something. trying to avoid every single danger in life just to end up in the walking dead of a care home is something i can do without.

I have just had my booster jab and was a bit surprised to find it was the Moderna not the Pfizer one.I had the Astrazeneca doses x2 before.
Its only half the original dose (0.5ml) given to people as there first and second jabs and i can find nothing online that states how effective it is where as there is quite a bit about the Pfizer jab.Most of it is from the USA and the NHS website seems to dodge the comparison question between the two booster jabs.
Are there any medically trained persons on here who can advise as to how the two compare as boosters.

There's a few Jekyll and Hyde characters on here. Aren't we all just guinea pigs atm mr bluestreak?

Yep i just want evidence and figures not just words like "should be" used on the nhs website.
Scary stuff.

if only i could get a sodding appointment at the doctors i,d be happy. at our surgery they will not give you an appointment if you walk in, need to phone up. so you stand at the counter, phone up and they ignore it. NHS, about time for big changes and if i had the money i,d go private.

Found something on a website that states that when you get the Moderna its 0.5mL of mRNA whereas the Pfizer is 0.3mL of mRNA so if thats the bit that "does the trick" then it looks like i may in fact have got the most powerful one.
Possibly that may explain why my arm hurts and i woke at 3am this morning with the chills,headache and was shaking.
Both seem very effective and certainly will give a more "normal" christmas.

That’ll have been the leccy bill.

Could try a bit of water with the old "nightcap"

Perhaps the Claret and the Glenfiddich wasnt such a good idea.

Nah, more itchy and scratchy.

Note this is around vaccine in general.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-55625276

cheers

Had mine today at Millhouse, Moderna vaccine good turn out of people of all ages, waited about 75 mins in total. So not bad for a walk in. Like they say your a long time dead.

Again i am no expert at this but I had the moderna and its a 0.5ml dose whereas the Pfizer is 0.3ml so if as all say the Pfizer is very effective moderna will be at least too.
I did not have any side effects from the initial 2 x Oxford AZ ones but have had chills headaches etc for 2 days from the moderna booster but it is now getting better with the help of a lot of paracetamol. A very small price to pay for the protection it gives us as individuals and reduces workload on the NHS so it can concentrate on non covid19 issues.
The 1 to 2 week delay in it building resistance was timed perfectly for Christmas.
There used to be someone on here who worked in Immunology and it would be great to hear their comments.

I've worked most of the year with a fella who's had both jabs and tested positive twice...i drink san miguel lager,maybe you need to change your tipple.

And then omicron turns up at the door...

we are not sure if you,ll get the same protection from the jabs for the new mandela variant but get your jabs as quickly as possible. do not get it but do not worry they,ll find a new vaccine in a couple of weeks time to start things all over again.

The scientists have already stated that it will take a minimum of 100 days to tweak an existing vaccine to cope with a variant so it is a bit premature to suggest that it could be done in three weeks, then it has to be approved, then it has to be manufactured, then it has to be distributed. then it has to be administered. Always assuming that people will take up the offer.

we were more or less told that back in late september last year when the present vaccine was to be introduced sometime this year. quickly it seemed to appear not too long after that.

Looking likely the Whole of Europe is out of bounds should you not be Double Vaxxed ! no holidays for the younguns next year then. Most choosing not to take it. Crazy world we now live in.

The tweaking of a current covid vaccine was never mentioned last year. What was discussed was the delivery of multiple types of original vaccines which were in different stages of progress and were actually under scrutiny awaiting approval in September last year and were attracting orders of millions of doses whilst already being manufactured pending approval. The first general vaccination was given on Dec 6th. You are mixing the two up. Sarah Gilbert had been working on a vaccine for ten years prior to the Covid outbreak so the principle was already there and just had to be modified to combat covid, in a similar way to how we treat the variations of flu each year. From tweaking to getting it into people's arms took approximately eleven months, so I have no idea where you get the impression it can be done in three weeks. In fact the scientists have stated it will take at least that time to collect all the relevant data. South Africa have already stated that the current victims of the new variant are experiencing mild symptoms. Everything that we are doing at the moment is precautionary because the team fighting this are sick, sore and tired of the media and anti vaxers jumping to conclusions and then chucking accusations of tardiness when they've been to the university of hindsight. When we eventually have the big inquest the intelligent brigade will concentrate on lessons to be learned and the media and more gullible will be searching who to blame with their inevitable witch hunt. All in the public interest no doubt and nothing to do with shit stirring by people who would never have had the first idea of how to tackle this but feel they have the right to hound the people who have put themselves in the firing line and who have generally done a reasonable job, bearing in mind that they are Human just like the rest of us excluding the "hindsighters".

What is happening with the double vaccination rule is that various countries, some firms, organisations etc etc are respecting the right of anti vaxers to exercise their choice but are joining in on the choice part by saying "you have the right to choose whether not to be vaccinated but we have the right to choose to make double vaccination a condition of entry". They back that decision up by pointing to the duty of care they are expected to have for their citizens, customers, employees etc etc.
I'm sure that deep down measures such as these were expected by most people.
Every country has it's rules but we have the choice not to go if we can't handle the rules.

What do they base it on though...all I’ve heard is they’ve either read something on the internet or ‘ A bloke I know told me they..........’ insert whatever fanciful delusion springs to mind.

We recently had a week's cruising in Europe. On booking we had to give proof of double jabs. The night before the flight we had to take an antigen test, send evidence of the test and wait for the result which was negative. The result had to be shown at the airport which was in the form of e mail to each of our phones. Masks worn on the plane and coach transfer to the ship. Temperature check on boarding the ship and every time we we returned after going ashore plus a mandatory temperature check on board every morning. Two separate mandatory antigen tests on board during the cruise. Passenger locator forms filled in online and vetted before re entry into UK. A further test at home within forty eight hours of our return, which had to be posted to a lab.
Masks required at majority of places we visited. Multiple hand sanitising.
Other than in our cabin or eating and drinking, mandatory mask wearing all over the rest of the ship. Only your immediate bubble allowed in the lifts with a max of four.
Virtually nothing left to chance but we survived and had a good holiday. Not sure whether we would do it all over again, probably when it is less restrictive if I'm honest. It was such an attractive deal and the ship was at about 35% capacity. The places we visited were Malaga, Barcelona, Palma Majorca, Valencia, Cartagena and Gibralter.

Voyage of the Damned...?

I've always wanted to visit Gib and I wasn't disappointed. I actually had a face to face chat with one of the apes and I kid you not.

Are you sure it wasn’t $cotty?

Well........not really..................no

Sounds like a modern day fairy tale to me mr derwent .. looks like you just slipped that little jolly in just at the right time..i'll just keep on dreaming.

Yeah, it's beginning to look like great timing.
We held back until the last minute and got an outside cabin on deck four for a basic £520 each all inclusive. When we arrived at the ship we were upgraded to a cabin on deck nine complete with a private balcony. We got chatting to a couple from Durham who told us they were in a cabin on deck nine exactly the same as ours and had paid the original price of £1798 each. So they paid just four quid short of £3600 and we paid £1040. It certainly pays to hang fire until the last minute, whatever the holiday. They were not amused.

I have no problem whatsoever with countries and businesses who require people to be up to date with vaccinations for leisure purposes. You do not need to partake anyway. What is wrong is people who are made or will be made in the future having to take them just to carry on with their work. If you have a gun put to your head and are amongst the few who have had adverse reactions to the jabs then you or your family if the worst did happen would and should be capable of a big claim in court. I certainly would have it in writing that i,m being vaccinated under duress if that happened.