Nobody voted for this vile human being so how is he seemingly running the country? He needs to face criminal charges when this is over for manslaughter with Johnson.

Lots of scandals are being buried quickly in this current situation but this is for me is the biggest.

Nobody voted for Johnson at all. It was the conservative party.

Whats Cummings done?

He’s put the country on path that killed thousands of people who didn’t need to die if we had followed other nations.

He has been sitting in on SAGE meetings since February so the none of the ‘science’ has been independent or unbiased advice. Another despicable lie. This leak is from the SAGE members, the experts the actual science they are refusing to take the blame and good for them.

Do you have a link to the leak?

This has been one of the problems with British politics over the last 30 years or so , advisers running the show rather than the politicians themselves.

Little bit OTT but fair point.

I don't understand why the government wouldn't have a rep there anyway. Weird way of running a meeting for me. Lets spend hours on a theory that later we find out won't work because of an obstacle someone could have told us existed in seconds.

I'm sure top scientists have dealt with bigger issues than a government croney lurking in a corner anyway. There's bound to have been leaks. Scientists can be as politicised as anyone else.

But if we were promised he wouldn't be there and secretly he was then that's wrong. Far from the biggest boob that's been made.

I don't mind advisers as long as they are qualified and do not act alone. Non-politicians all of them.

Don't like them full stop. A PM has hundreds of elected advisers , their MP's , that should be sufficient. These professional advisers tend to be snake like.

Yet more shady murky behaviour from one of the most obnoxious governments we have ever had.

Cummings is a slimy toad at best. That's being generous to the paedo looking scruffy ponce.

I think you are missing why this is so significant in the bigger picture here. The government knows it’s made a catastrophic error that has cost thousands of lives with herd immunity, the only way they will possibly get away with that and survive it is if they can prove that decision was made from impartial scientific advice at the time. Cummings presence in meetings that he isn’t qualified to be at raising severe doubt that this advice was not influenced by the government or in fact wasn’t the advice given by the experts at all.

If that's the case then the scientists need to come out and say so. Otherwise they are equally culpable and deserve the same punishment that might come towards ministers when this is over.

Many other scientists have already alluded to the secrecy of sage so it's no surprise that their concerns have been proven to be correct.

I wouldn't want any of our MPs advising any government on stuff they knew nothing about. Also politicians do not have a good record with snakery.

Would you get rid of all advisors? Sack the civil servants? Disband the Bank of England? Chief medical officers, scientists, logisticians? Military planners? They’re all unelected.

If that was directed at me, I would get rid of advisors and military planners. Civil Servants have always been there to advise , so no need for advisers, surely that's two layers of people doing the same job?

So the guardian says he was at a meeting with 24 others so lets accuse him of murdering people.

I expect the government to seek expert advice at every possible opportunity. Elected representatives are not elected for their skill sets. Nobody canvasses with "vote for me I'm an analytical statistician".
As for choosing the advisers, that's a different matter. If they don't go for the very best because that doesn't suit their agenda, they should be sent to the tower.

Still dont see the problem with him being at the meeting. Even if he wasn't there, the scientific advice the government would receive would have to be considered alongside advice from all areas of expertise and a decision made. That's the point where the responsibility comes in.

While someone has mentioned the Guardian. Did anybody see their article the other day regarding driving to another area for exercise as being legal? Totally irresponsible. This country have already proven that if you give them an inch they'll take a mile. This kind of article is typical of our media.

If you dont see the issue with cummings being at these meetings then I truly despair.

Cummings who openly said it doesn't matter if thousands of pensioners die of this virus.

He is now very powerfully sat with scientists who the government use as their excuse for everything." We are listening to the science"

It turns out we are listening to the science + dominic Cummings

Puts a slightly different spin things.

And data scientist Ben warner from the vote leave campaign is also on the sage group.

It just gets worse by the minute.

Of course they would and then there would only be the "advisors" on Forums such as this to run the country and then all will be well.
I find it hilarious that "advisors" are "advising" that we get rid get rid of "advisors"

Downing Street says Cummings is not a member of SAGE & has no role influencing its guidance but says Cummings attended Sage meetings, occasionally asks questions & offers help

Sorry but when was asking questions & offering help not active participation

Honestly this government just get worse every time they say something. It would be funny if wasnt for 20,000 dead.

Yeah but, yeah but, yeah but Corbyn, lol

Kier Starmer will fucking rip Johnson to shreds, that’s why the spaffing onanistic is stringing out his ‘illness’

I think the tories know this and will get rid of Johnson fairly quickly afterwards

It was the National Police Chiefs Council that actually announced a couple of weeks ago that it was ok to drive somewhere to exercise as long as you walked for a longer period of time than you drove, so theoretically it's ok to drive somewhere for two or three hours as long as you walk for four hours. Trouble is they tell you one thing and the government tells you something else, none of them could find their own arse with both hands.

And then release a lot of information about johnson behaviours thus making all of his disciple followers look pretty stupid over time.

its a matter of we,ll think of a subject. next we,ll find our pet advisor and then we,ll find our pet expert in that field. anyone think this is a new system then they are deluded.

This lot you voted for wants to get rid of the civil service, they think they are unneeded and unwanted, I mean why would you need people who have served all parties in charge for decades and put ex bouncers from Durham in charge of the biggest crisis since the Second World War?

And let’s not forget, Priti Patel is getting sued right now and will most certainly get her arse handed to her on a plate

I've never heard of them, John.
Did they have a number one??

I thought the exercise advice was approximately one hour per day so, unless that has been rescinded, you can only drive for approximately one half hour under the NPCC advice which is you can walk for up to twice as long as you drive.

That is extremely interesting Mr Talbot and I'm not doubting you for one minute. your revelations are legendary.
Just so I can read that announcement for myself can you point out to me where they said they wanted to get rid of the civil service and that they think they are unneeded and unwanted. Thanks.

David Davis given free reign by the Daily Mail to attack Cummings. V significant.

Just fuck off you arsepiece

Just to add, I saw you once before a pools match and thought ‘if it walks like a c.unt and talks like a c.unt, it is a c.unt, I wasn’t wrong, was I? You Tory lickspittle apologist, apart from Sussex, you are the most loathsome troll on this board right now

So much for civility.
It's only a question. The reason i'm intrigued is because the civil service numbers have increased since 2018 so I find it strange that they would want to get rid of nearly half a million people and then increase the numbers.

I'm only posting like you and others do, the only difference is i'm not getting involved in name calling like you. Getting rid of the civil service is a very serious step in my view and I just want to know more what's wrong with that?
As a matter of interest can you tell me which match it was that i showed these very distinctive tendencies.

Your not name calling. For a change. There again its early even for you right?

But you are a tory apologist.

Yeah it is. They are trying to treat the population as adults again. It is proven not to work. The sensible advice is STAY AT HOME. This is where all the idiots start flocking to the coast again. Its legal but nobody said being a bloody moron was against the law.

That's fine for you. You sound like a sensible fellow. However, the reaction of many others is going to be very different.

So you are advocating punishing the majority because of the few?

I truly believe many people are at breaking point now or relatively close to it. And prophets of doom telling us this will last a year (virologists and scientists who for them this is their wet dreams come true) etc are not doing anything for the health of everyone.

Those in charge need to be talking about the end of the lockdown even if they are not sure when exactly that will be. But at least talking about it cheers folk up

Very sadly it is the only way. This lock-down would look quite different if folks common sense was assured. We all know that's not the case.

Im glad I am not the only one annoyed by the gleeful doom merchants and I totally get the mental health point. However, limiting the spread is the priority.

Phil Dunn posted a picture on facebook of a group of people standing outside a take away in Hartlepool. The thread slated them. No thought of social distancing whatsoever. Beyond belief.

Wow! the most delusional post I've ever seen on the Bunker. If you believe that then you clearly didn't notice the last election or how popular the government's handling is in the opinion polls. Boris is in power for at least two terms and probably three.

You'd get rid of the military planners who are orchestrating the army's contribution to the fight against this virus?
Would you get rid of all external experts and rely on politician's knowledge of specialisms?

Nah, the boss, Murdoch, wants rid, you know it, I know it, we all know it, Gove will be in charge before long

When the Mail and Times start to criticise, you know there are problems

People in this country, or a lot of them are as thick as shit, anyone else running away and hiding like this cowardly skid mark would have been run out of office, but no, not the spaffing blonde one, I mean if he is fit enough to call the bleach drinker, surely he’s fit enough to at least face the country, even via videoconference, from his other big house he travelled to whilst he should have been leading by example and not breaking quarantine

Churchill must be spinning in his grave

I’ve always wondered why the Golden Bird has a inordinate amount of duck dishes on the me and you, with it being so close to Rossmere Park......

Yep. This. Johnson will be a very easy fall guy for the proper tories that wont and cant stand him

Over 20,000 dead now.at least. 5th highest on the world. Yep. Handled this marvelously.