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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:41 am 
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Who’s next? They’ll be running out of MP’s soon


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Can't believe she's gone. I'm sure somebody on here explained that it was all made up crap from The Guardian and it was the last Labour government's fault anyway.

Wonder if May will now be called to account for nurturing the whole culture at the Home Office and then lying to parliament about when things happened?


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 Post subject: Re: Rudderless
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Let’s hope so by, this totally inept Tory government needs driving into the sea - one by one if necessary, by whatever means it takes. They have fcuked up everything they have touched - including Brexit. It’s only a matter of time before Jerkin Javid repeats his previous gaffes.


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 Post subject: Re: Rudderless
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Let’s hope so by, this totally inept Tory government needs driving into the sea - one by one if necessary, by whatever means it takes. They have fcuked up everything they have touched - including Brexit. It’s only a matter of time before Jerkin Javid repeats his previous gaffes.


And the answer is Labour?

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 Post subject: Re: Rudderless
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 Post subject: Re: Rudderless
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 Post subject: Re: Rudderless
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:18 pm 
If you don't like free health care, vote Tory
If you don't like free health care, you're a c.u.nt


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 Post subject: Re: Rudderless
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Monkeybutt wrote:
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Let’s hope so by, this totally inept Tory government needs driving into the sea - one by one if necessary, by whatever means it takes. They have fcuked up everything they have touched - including Brexit. It’s only a matter of time before Jerkin Javid repeats his previous gaffes.


And the answer is Labour?


Unfortunately, as useless and untrustworthy as the Tory shysters have repeatedly proved themselves to be, the current Labour opposition would probably be considered as un-electable by many middle-ground voters. Even if you can somehow get your head around electing an admittedly strong leader in Jez Corbyn as British PM, the sheer prospect of simpletons such as Diane Abbott being placed in senior cabinet positions is enough to turn the stomach of any prospective voter considering of jumping ship away from the twisted, yank-sucking Conservative party. Although it pains me to say it, only a 'Tony Blair' type figure at the helm would give the opposition a fighting chance of ousting the collection of self-centred terminal failures propped up by lame duck Theresa's crutch aka the DUP.


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 Post subject: Re: Rudderless
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:44 pm 
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Here's something for you. I've just read an interesting piece in the LRB about Brexit and Trump. One of the things that really grabbed me was an analysis of the last election; if the franchise was restricted to those of voting age, Labour would have won by a landslide. I'm not suggesting that the franchise should be restricted, but it's something that certainly counters the view that Labour aren't electable.

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 Post subject: Re: Rudderless
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Smokin Joe wrote:
Monkeybutt wrote:
Smokin Joe wrote:
Let’s hope so by, this totally inept Tory government needs driving into the sea - one by one if necessary, by whatever means it takes. They have fcuked up everything they have touched - including Brexit. It’s only a matter of time before Jerkin Javid repeats his previous gaffes.


And the answer is Labour?


Unfortunately, as useless and untrustworthy as the Tory shysters have repeatedly proved themselves to be, the current Labour opposition would probably be considered as un-electable by many middle-ground voters. Even if you can somehow get your head around electing an admittedly strong leader in Jez Corbyn as British PM, the sheer prospect of simpletons such as Diane Abbott being placed in senior cabinet positions is enough to turn the stomach of any prospective voter considering of jumping ship away from the twisted, yank-sucking Conservative party. Although it pains me to say it, only a 'Tony Blair' type figure at the helm would give the opposition a fighting chance of ousting the collection of self-centred terminal failures propped up by lame duck Theresa's crutch aka the DUP.


I disagree. That last election result proved that, wasn't it the biggest post-war swing or something?

The problem for the Tories is that pretty much everyone is being affected by their austerity measures now, particularly the 'middle Emglanders' - their local post office might have closed, they may have had to wait 10 or more hours in A and E, they might have been burgled with little or no police response, their kids/grandkids can only get zero hours jobs and are unable to leave home, their wages are stagnating, their savings are devaluing, potholes are going unrepaired, they see loads of rough sleepers where there have been hardly any before, or may even be close to using food banks themselves.

Labour's manifesto is very tempting to them, not just more-of-the-same bleak cruelty. I know a few dyed-in-the-wool Tories who either didn't vote or actually voted Labour in the last election, and are planning to do the same in the council elections this week.

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 Post subject: Re: Rudderless
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Hmm, you could well be onto something there. However, you can bet your life that any significant surge in Labour support will be swiftly followed by Nasty Boris' propaganda machine ramping up its tiresome and unsubstantiated anti-Russian rhetoric, pointing the finger at Putin and the Kremlin for cyber-interference in British politics.


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 Post subject: Re: Rudderless
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poolieinnottingham wrote:
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Smokin Joe wrote:
Let’s hope so by, this totally inept Tory government needs driving into the sea - one by one if necessary, by whatever means it takes. They have fcuked up everything they have touched - including Brexit. It’s only a matter of time before Jerkin Javid repeats his previous gaffes.



Unfortunately, as useless and untrustworthy as the Tory shysters have repeatedly proved themselves to be, the current Labour opposition would probably be considered as un-electable by many middle-ground voters. Even if you can somehow get your head around electing an admittedly strong leader in Jez Corbyn as British PM, the sheer prospect of simpletons such as Diane Abbott being placed in senior cabinet positions is enough to turn the stomach of any prospective voter considering of jumping ship away from the twisted, yank-sucking Conservative party. Although it pains me to say it, only a 'Tony Blair' type figure at the helm would give the opposition a fighting chance of ousting the collection of self-centred terminal failures propped up by lame duck Theresa's crutch aka the DUP.



The problem for the Tories is that pretty much everyone is being affected by their austerity measures now, particularly the 'middle Emglanders' - their local post office might have closed, they may have had to wait 10 or more hours in A and E, they might have been burgled with little or no police response, their kids/grandkids can only get zero hours jobs and are unable to leave home, their wages are stagnating, their savings are devaluing, potholes are going unrepaired, they see loads of rough sleepers where there have been hardly any before, or may even be close to using food banks themselves.

Labour's manifesto is very tempting to them, not just more-of-the-same bleak cruelty. I know a few dyed-in-the-wool Tories who either didn't vote or actually voted Labour in the last election, and are planning to do the same in the council elections this week.


Well I still vote Conservative despite my village post office closing and my wife losing her job,the thought of that IRA sympathiser running the country doesn`t bear thinking about.

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 Post subject: Re: Rudderless
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Oh yes the ‘IRA sympathiser’ The red tops did a great job(or just great enough) trying to terrify people into not voting Labour before the last election all of those Tory MP’s crying about lier Rudd, sorry unintentionally misleading (what a line by the way :laugh: ) Rudd, didn’t seem to mind the misleading, unfair, and overly personal smear campaign on Corbyn before the last election. I remember The Sun front page on Election Day being particularly vile propandga. It’s great that millions of voters saw through that though and this awful government that has lurched from one farce and tragedy to the next without much of a trace of human decency to the extent that it had to climb into bed with the DUP. A party with archaic views on things that are accepatable in the modern World due to religious bigotry and who opposed resolution and peace during the troubles.

I really don’t understand especially anyone who lives in the North East voting Tory, each to their own and that, but even more so this lot who if they organised a piss up in a brewery I’d be wary.


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Here's something for you. I've just read an interesting piece in the LRB about Brexit and Trump. One of the things that really grabbed me was an analysis of the last election; if the franchise was restricted to those of voting age, Labour would have won by a landslide. I'm not suggesting that the franchise should be restricted, but it's something that certainly counters the view that Labour aren't electable.

Run that by me again. What is this franchise of which you speak?

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 Post subject: Re: Rudderless
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Smokin Joe wrote:
Let’s hope so by, this totally inept Tory government needs driving into the sea - one by one if necessary, by whatever means it takes. They have fcuked up everything they have touched - including Brexit. It’s only a matter of time before Jerkin Javid repeats his previous gaffes.


Lets hope May day is a bit more significant than just a day off for the kids


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Smokin Joe wrote:
Let’s hope so by, this totally inept Tory government needs driving into the sea - one by one if necessary, by whatever means it takes. They have fcuked up everything they have touched - including Brexit. It’s only a matter of time before Jerkin Javid repeats his previous gaffes.


Lets hope May day is a bit more significant than just a day off for the kids


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