Musgrave

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

Pulled out according to the Mail lad on twitter

thedno · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:41 pm

Darlo here we come

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

In a nutshell

He's looked at the books...

We're fucked.

congress_tart · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:48 pm

Confirms that it’s not just the debt, but it’s also the money needed to restructure the club to get it competitive again.

RIP

Kallang Poolie · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:49 pm

Those are some pretty damning comments from Musgrave. How can it be difficult to ascertain the level of funding needed when we are run by an accountant?!?!

Liquidation here we come....

Northshore · **Joined:** Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:34 pm **Posts:** 106

There is no way on earth the people behind the Just giving fundraising can consider handing that money over now.Absolutely damning statement.If the money is handed over i’d seriously consider their sanity

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Destroyed by absolute fucking cowboys. Goldberg, Coxall and Pam Duxbury. How the fuck can they not even provide the bloke with even a basic idea of the state we are in? I thought she was a fucking accountant?

What is this solicitor doing if we can’t even answer the questions Musgrave was asking?

Remember two and a half years ago our club was debt free.

Please no more fundraising and handing over money to these fuckers.

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

i think CM's statement is pretty clear and understandable...not prepared to pour unlimited money into the big black hole which is the club accounts as produced by aunty pam....so looks like she will be pleading for more coin in the bucket again soon

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

She can fuck right off.

Seagull, Seagull, Seagull. · **Joined:** Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:44 pm **Posts:** 477

Totally agree with PJ - we need the money for the future because we are in all probability starting again - I don't see any other option. Anything we raise now just won't be enough.

And before anyone screen shots that as proof I and others want administration, do one... I and nobody want admin. Its just a fact now. Total shite.

ukanttouchme · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:12 pm **Posts:** 225

What did the council promise him if he could save the club? Something worth more than £1.5m I'd have thought. Either that or he just fancied being charitable.

loan_star · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:12 pm

I thought you had come up trumps with Musgrave. If a local bloke that rich is saying you are a basket case then god knows who will save you now. If the worst happens though it is NOT the end of the world. You will have a club where you can more or less control its destiny plus you should also have a ground to play in, unlike us.

pools85 · **Joined:** Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:15 pm **Posts:** 131

Might be worth plugging the trust for all its worth, need all the members we can muster now.

Pirlo's Beard. · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:09 pm **Posts:** 300

Pam Duxbury is added to the ever growing list of people who will never be seen in Hartlepool again.

How criminal charges haven't been filed against the people responsible for this yet I'll never know.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Kallang Poolie wrote:

Those are some pretty damning comments from Musgrave. How can it be difficult to ascertain the level of funding needed when we are run by an accountant?!?!

Liquidation here we come....

Probably no end in sight of the invoices Coxall is sending the club.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

ukanttouchme wrote:

What did the council promise him if he could save the club? Something worth more than £1.5m I'd have thought. Either that or he just fancied being charitable.

I think they’d agreed to give him some land, we can’t really fault the council here they have bent over backwards it is the utter conmen who were handed our club hopefully they will be made accountable in some way one day.

Face Paint Army · **Joined:** Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:31 pm **Posts:** 226

Why is nobody having a pop at Watson. He is the one that hired ( and is still paying ) 2 crap managers, then hired a load of players on 12 month contracts when the norm in this league is 10 months. Has to have been some reason for him hiring so many on bad contracts.
Put £30 into the Just Giving Page last week, probably be used to put petrol in Dave Jones wife's car. If £1.5 million is what it will take then we are totally fucked.

thetownendfaithful · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:29 pm

Goodnight Vienna as my Grandad used to say

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

I’ve spent the last few weeks having a pop at the fucker whoever he is.

Does he even have a background in football or he just another chancer on the gravy train. Leeches that have bled our club dry.

Another who was brought in the club via the back door, like Duxbury, no introduction. If you remember Pam was never mentioned until Jabba the Jones said her name on sausage sandwich day, everyone was ‘who’s Pam?’

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37618

There must be third world countries with smaller national debts than us.

kebab & chips · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:39 pm

As Pirlo has posted,surely the law would be interested in seeing the books.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Well if a bloke ready to hand over £1.5million straight away couldn’t get to see them I doubt ‘the books’ even exist. Money just disappears out of our club.

poolieboydave · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:43 pm

Snowy wrote:

There must be third world countries with smaller national debts than us.

Thank you, I needed that!!

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

I think a bloke with no interest in football was very unlikely to throw money at it.

mib1975 · **Joined:** Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:02 pm **Posts:** 308

How the f××× did Coxhall pass the fit and proper person test by the fa??? This is a disgrace I'm devastated..we survived in the 80''s on 1000 crowds then some cockney tit comes into a debt free club and gets us in this situation..some prosecution needs to be done here #nsd

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

klinger wrote:

I think a bloke with no interest in football was very unlikely to throw money at it.

He was about to.

Somehow though even though we’ve employed someone to oversee the sale of the club and the Chairlady is a chartered accountant we can’t provide him with exactly what the debt and running costs of the club are his reasons are fair and understandable what isn’t and what is absolutely dumbfounding is that the information can’t be provided to him. It makes you wonder where this figure of £200,000 was plucked from, my guess would be thin air.

QuakerPete · **Joined:** Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:43 pm **Posts:** 70

He only said he wouldn't be giving money to the Football Club - the Supporters' Trust another option for him?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37618

How much did those 'free' coaches to Morecambe cost, did we buy the company as well ?

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

PJPoolie wrote:

klinger wrote:

I think a bloke with no interest in football was very unlikely to throw money at it.

He was about to.

Somehow though even though we’ve employed someone to oversee the sale of the club and the Chairlady is a chartered accountant we can’t provide him with exactly what the debt and running costs of the club are his reasons are fair and understandable what isn’t and what is absolutely dumbfounding is that the information can’t be provided to him. It makes you wonder where this figure of £200,000 was plucked from, my guess would be thin air.

Was he about to? He took a look at it and decided it’s not for him.
Understandable if you have no interest in what you are getting into.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

He more than ‘took a look’.

Salty · **Joined:** Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:59 pm **Posts:** 131

QuakerPete wrote:

He only said he wouldn't be giving money to the Football Club - the Supporters' Trust another option for him?

good point
gotta be worth an ask?
charitable write off..?

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

Right he took a big look.

Then decided it’s not for him.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

I can’t see it personally he’s a businessman and he hasn’t become a succesful one by just giving away money. The council approached him with incentives so the deal worked for them, him and the club. It’s tragic that the, at best, negligence of the leeches running the club has destroyed any hope of it happening.

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

Like I say, if someone has the money and the interest they’d go in and sort the shit out.

RichyHpool · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:08 pm

Was musgrave the man Jeff Stelling was meeting with then?

horden · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:08 pm

Maybe he just thought there are easier ways to make money than a dying football club.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Klinger, I think you are looking at this in a very simplistic black and white fairly unrealistic manner. How can you expect someone to commit to ‘sorting the shit out’ when he’s not even been told to what extent the ‘shit’ is? Nobody will buy the club in those circumstances unless they have a bottomless pit or an emotional connection to the club.

Seagull, Seagull, Seagull. · **Joined:** Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:44 pm **Posts:** 477

This is f-king hopeless. I just can't help thinking about how this has unravelled.
The crooks in jail started this - they're hopefully getting what they deserve. The FA for allowing it. Why the hell was Coxhall anywhere near any of this - absolute fantasist and an incompetent bellend. I know Jeff said this John Blackledge is honourable but why the hell would he be anywhere near that lot??!! I've no sympathy with them - they screwed it up for themselves and more to the point us. Then they threw a load more money away by making bad decision after bad decision - Jones, large squad, inexperienced manager etc. etc.
I work with property developers every day and they all aren't made equal. I work with people like Musgrave, who are methodical and don't take risks, they pay on time and make very good money, improving the lives of others. Then you get the likes of Sage - absolute chancers, bottom feeders. Musgrave will have met with them and sussed them straight away. Can't believe it took two weeks. I don't blame him one bit for not throwing all his cash in. The Millhouse masterplan might have made him some money but its not exactly Mayfair.
I'm heading to the match now knowing we're screwed. Have no idea why I'm going to watch another devastatingly bad performance. I've absolutely given up and to the people running The Trust... if you end up trying to pick this up I have nothing but utter respect.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37618

Surely there has to be financial accountability?

dykey · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:41 pm

Musgrave seemingly no interest in football yet gets chauffeured to the Boro for home matches

Mctee1908 · **Joined:** Tue May 15, 2012 7:51 pm **Posts:** 628

A professional and independently appointed administrator would be able to provide him with the information that he needs...

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

is paul watson hufcs "head of recruitment" the football agent behind rec pro management ???.... appears he is an ex nufc player ....looks like he likes to take selfies with famous footballers particularly ex newcastle.... appears to be the agent for scotty fenwick ? ?... and he has posted pictures of himself with joe allon and rob mckinnon....also has posted his letter of appointment as the head of recruitment north of the border for middlesbroughs academy....anyone know ??

mugsy · **Joined:** Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:17 pm **Posts:** 67

Are whoever owns the club living in cloud cuckoo land. Do they seriously think that somebody is going to come along and hand over the thick end of two million quid without having the books forensically looked at and expect them to show the current liabilities of the club. If they gave however much they claim they lent to Coxhall without knowing this information then I'm surprised they are still in business. And now our club is going to pay the ultimate price for their greed and stupidity why can't they just accept they fucked it up and let somebody else preferably the trust have the club debt free as it was two long years ago.

yloop · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:50 pm

I think the issue is Sage loaned money to Coxall and they think everyone is that thick.

See you all in the northern league!

mugsy · **Joined:** Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:17 pm **Posts:** 67

As bad as it would be having to start again in the northern league would it be worse than having our money going into the pockets of the leeches that have and still are bleeding our club dry with no way of knowing how much is owed or how long it is going to take to pay it off and who it is actually being paid to.

Face Paint Army · **Joined:** Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:31 pm **Posts:** 226

Has this £70k from Just Giving been handed over yet ? Surely that needs to be re-directed away from the people running the club. One of them is an accountant and has had 9 months to do the books yet STILL cant tell potential investors how much is needed to run the club from week to week.
Musgrave could not have been more scathing in his comments really could he- basically called the pair of the incompetent.

unruly poolie · **Joined:** Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:12 pm **Posts:** 1015

They are still pushing it so I guess they are still planning on handing it over with Smith and Graham giving them a receipt for Paul Watson's and Pam's wages

pools85 · **Joined:** Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:15 pm **Posts:** 131

I’ve suggested on the other board they seek legal advice and get the fundraising put in a holding account, if that’s possible. I’m not sure of the legalities surrounding the wording on the page. Simply can’t give those fuckers a single penny of it.

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yloop · **Posted:** Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:42 pm

If it was a charity then you're bound by that. This is a crowdfunding and states on the page:

"Crowdfunding is a new type of fundraising where you can raise funds for your own personal cause, even if you're not a registered charity.

The page owner is responsible for the distribution of funds raised."

pools85 · **Joined:** Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:15 pm **Posts:** 131

yloop wrote:

If it was a charity then you're bound by that. This is a crowdfunding and states on the page:

"Crowdfunding is a new type of fundraising where you can raise funds for your own personal cause, even if you're not a registered charity.

The page owner is responsible for the distribution of funds raised."

Cheers, suppose that’s some half decent news. Just need the young lass to be properly advised now

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