Liam Kennedy
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BREAKING: #Hartlepool United today issued with winding up order for unpaid bill to HMRC. More details to follow... #Pools #HUFC

Second such incident this year. Although, I'm told there is nothing to worry about. Believe payment was 8-10 days late #hufc #pools

Told the issue, #hufc late payment to HMRC, has since been resolved and it is business as usual at #pools

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Taken from the Hartlepool Mails sports writer Twitter... Although the issue has apparently been resolved, still a bit concerning like.

I don't understand. Why winding up order for a bill paid late? Even 2 late payments would get a small fine. Winding up orders are surely for serious debt etc.

Not questioning/querying Pools management/accountancy, but this is worrying, somewhat if true.

Got to ask why its happened twice in a short space of time.

I'm no expert on how football finances work but leaving it until you get a winding up order twice in a year suggests that there isn't much cash knocking about the club. Not a new experience for Pools but not great news either if we're in the robbing Peter to pay Paul way of doing things.

More than a bit worrying it happening once can be brushed under the table but twice in a short space of time?

Nah I'm sorry.

Could just be a bit of chaotic admin but with the bulk of the income being season ticket sales from last summer it would be worrying if they're having to wait for money coming in to pay the tax bills. Even the idea of chaotic admin isn't very reassuring is it? Having said that, they wouldn't be the first business to send payments as late as they can get away with as a matter of policy.

Highlights the importance of the Trust regardless of if it's a clerical error or not.

Good time for Gary to maintain his being open and honest with the fans stance.

Didn't they blame the first one on a new system or something?

Yes, I believe so. I think they reverted to 4-4-2.

How will the trust avoid a clerical error?

Totally agree - we really need a good Premier league team (away) after we dispose of Port Vale.............

Or a quick recovery by Nathan!

I'm no expert but surely HMRC wouldn't resort to a winding up payment for a 10 day late payment?

Ever heard of direct debits, it`s a new phenomenon, they pay regular bills on time

Direct debits are fine if the regular bills are a regular amount. Bills go up and down, then sometimes unexpected bills occur. Just saying,like!

They do get arsey, a few years ago i was self employed and owed 2.5k vat, never previously missed a payment and they sent me a letter saying, please pay within 10 days or we will remove goods to the value, a phone call sorted it but when I left to work for somebody, they said I owed them more and again if not paid within 10 days etc, ruthless and if you ask for more time and don`t pay, the white van turns up to collect goods.

Wrong.

Which part? A) All bills are the same amount? B) Bills never change? C) Unexpected bills never occur? D) Direct debits aren't fine? E) People always have money in their bank accounts to pay any bill?

My sky bill varies from month to month dependant on box office, films, phone usage and is paid by direct debit, does the Trumpton branch not do that?

Do not confuse direct debit and standing order two completely different animals..

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Have Pools responded yet? I've just had a call from the Mail asking for a response.

Why don't they just ask the club if it's sorted, which it must be as nothing on HMRC listing.

Totally agree.

HMRC would look to arrange a Time To Pay arrangement - ignore that and they get aggressive.

One wonders if it is a mix of PAYE and VAT (Ken? Ken! Can you help) - as they do monitor all taxes together now.

Loads of businesses play the game - debt with HMRC is cheaper than bank debt - but you must really screw up to get a winding up order. True, HMRC are getting quicker - but not for a ten day delay!

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/bu ... -1-8239826


"When approached by the Mail, the club confirmed that despite the petition all issues had been resolved and the bill paid."

How dare they contact the Trust eh! Next you will be trying to make out the Trust organized a meeting upstairs so wheelchair users can't attend.

Oh you already have!

Get on twatter and badger Gary for an honest answer. Even with the new sponsorship deal the club appear from the outside to be struggling financially. If it's an error, I'm sure an employment agency could find someone capable to manage paying taxes. If only Gary knew of an employment agency.

Not made any yet have they?

You can always volunteer to carry my mate up if he wants to go.

I'm sure they will make arrangements if so.

VAT is not supposed to be negotiable. It was never your money in the first place.
I personally think VAT stinks (yet another French invention for complicating business and providing civil servants with pointless jobs), but given there's no escape from it, you can't fault the above logic.

The Chairman has confirmed we made a late payment, but we have nothing to worry but he does understand the concern.

It begs the question why are we making late payments fairly regularly?

As much flack as they got the we had nothing like this in almost two decades with the previous owners. I have a really bad feeling about this lot, I can't put my finger on why I just do!

The last mistake was a computer error. Now it's a late payment.

Too many errors here, it looks bad.




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I can put a finger on it straight away. They are skint. No point beating around the bush. Not good signs in the first year of owning a football club two missed payments. Not many clubs are going to pay top whack for your supposed top players if they think your skint.

I think they're just scraping by. Just the impression I get and they've done nothing to prove me wrong. He's been bankrupt before so has hopefully learnt lessons but the biggest lesson to learn from that is to admit when you've made mistakes.

I could be completely wrong mind but with the extra income from renaming the stadium plus FA cup money last season we surely shouldnt be struggling.

No wonder they wanted season ticket money in early this year compared to past seasons.

Concerned.

More interest in pools account than in the ir

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Where are the new turnstiles?

What about the VAT when we sell Thomas for £Billion?

It could be the end for us if we are late paying that bad boy

At least we have a consistent supply of lids for Bovril now though

Hignett putting Laurent in the shop window today as well. First Thomas and now Laurent, seems pretty desperate to me to be honest.

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/f ... -1-8238942

Bit sick of him doing this now. I know our place. I know we'd have to sell if an offer came in that was good money. No reason to push it tho publicalky.


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Just sounds like we are desperate for some money.

Laurent has the physical attributes to do well, probably the right attitude aswell going by his desire to move here from London and play football instead of going to QPR or whoever it was but he is obviously still very raw, needs a lot of work and no doubt that will come through playing games.

He came here because he wants first team football, I cant really see him getting that in the Championship etc at present so im not entirely sure why he would want to move. Its certainly not in his best interests at present in my opinion.

I agree, Laurent stood out for me in preseason but I wouldn't say he's proved himself ready for a big move just yet.

That said if selling him is the only way the club can continue running then it's a no brainer. I'd like to think things are that drastic yet but who knows.

The new owners regime started off debt free with a good bit of fortune getting the tv money and a nice gesture from Derby to have there share of the gate money.

This season Higgys built up a squad of 30ish players.
Obviously most of them promising youngsters for the future but a very large squad for a club on 3500 crowds.
So to balance the books we need to get past Port Vale then get lucky in round 3 or try n offload our better player(S) in the transfer window.

Not a sustainable way of doing things though. Relying on cups runs or selling players who,like athomas can get injured.
Hope I'm wrong but the owners are looking out of their depth.

Interesting that Hignett mentions Crewe there. They showed that this model can work but becoming the new Dario Gradi won't be quick or easy so the club can't be operating at a loss while he works on it.

Anyone that thinks pools can replicate what happened at crewe wih the current staff should be sectioned.

Indeed. Being in the semi final of the youth alliance trophy is a fucking disgrace.

How many of the first team have come from the youths? Hawkins and Richards are the only two I can think of who get regular games, not sure either have the ability to be sold on. Even if the current youth team have potential they'll be a year or two away from playing regularly in the first team, longer still from potentially being sold on.
If we can survive regular wind up petitions in the mean time, fair enough but it's not a guaranteed formula for success.

Brad Walker could have been a saleable asset but look at how that panned out. We'd have to pay to get rid of him now.

It's certainly no worse off than it has been over the last 20 year. We produce one every few seasons.

We've seen Luke James, Hawkins, Richards and Walker play regularly over the last few year. We have Smith, Green, Blackford all sniffing around and getting into the odd 1st team squad.

That's probably the best it's been in a decade since Coopers days

Not saying it doesn't need to improve like. They need to get their scouting in order 1st.

Begs the question...at what age do Pools start taking on youth players?