After watching that drivel last night i've had enough.

It's time for the old dinosaur to Fuck off And Take collins with him.

It's DOGSHIT the full club is Rotten right through.

And Coxhall the con man spend you prick.

Now I'm no psychologist, but I get an undertone of anger and frustration from your post. Would this be accurate?

He's right about one thing (out of about 8)

"Drivel" isn't far off the mark!

Ignoring the attention seeking trolling I've just read this article;

http://m.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/foo ... -1-7685028

It's utterly depressing. Is this how far we've gone backwards as club from 10 years ago 'last nights defeat was no disgrace' We got stuffed by Accrington. Yes it was a disgrace, defeat has become acceptable every defeat should be a disgrace. The whole mentality around the club needs to change or we are only going in one direction.

Is that roy kellys hufc endorsed match report?

How many more times do we have to read the same shite

"Ronnie demands more"
"We must do better"
"Looking for a reaction at the next game"


Ronnie set up 4-5-1 against Wycombe who were one position higher than Accrington and at times I thought we struggled and held on for 3 points, why does he think setting up as 4-4-2 to "have a go at Accrington" would work? It didn't even work against flaming Salford for christs sake. I'm sick of the chopping and changing, bringing in shite on loan like Mandron, we have home grown players such as Dan Jones, Hawkins, Richards and Walker who are being played and then dropped which must be very disheartening.

Same old @ucking excuses for a tactical @uckup.
When will he understand if the midfield carnt win and play the ball whats the point in having 2 strikers on the pitch.
So last night you have Harrison and Fenwick twidderling their thumbs up top whilst we are getting played of the park in midfield any one with half a brain would say surely tighten up in midfield but not ronnie its the players fault.
Overall very disappointed having hope from the last 2 games that we can at least compete for him to go back to suicide football is beyond me............

Since Moore has been here can anyone remember us winning a game convincingly without hanging on? I can't remember one game where I thought we really played well and deserved that. Biggest win this season, 3-1 vs orient and we were lucky. He's changed numerous players and nothing ever changes! He's had his time, we are desperate for a change!

Looking at it in the cold light of day it doesn't get any better. Moore changed a winning team and formation (which had produced two of the better displays of the season) to accommodate a loan player from a team in our own division who can't get his game and is here for one month.

Some of our own players and especially young players are dropped after good performances or frozen out.

It's either crazy, inept or something worse than that which I can't comprehend.

CLOUGHY has got it spot on.
You dont have to be Einsteen to see what is going on and how the club is being run.
Is this Gazza fella just a crank spokesman for the real chairman Russ Green ?

Der Of course he is.

Be better of being fans owned that way the club would be run honestly.

Like ive said before cant be doing with bellyticklers who think everything is sweet.

I'm still shaking me head at why he went 442 away at a team with games in hand which could take them to the edge of top 2.

Dropped Gray, and left the distinctly one paced, tackle averse none shooting Featherstone in the middle to shore it all up !!!

When he wrote that team on the blackboard and then looked at the scouting reports of Accrington, looked at the league table and used his first hand knowledge of how shit we are away from home generally (not much better at home to be fair), and how we have an incurrable ineptitude when we only play with Feathers and Woods in the middle, how could both him and Collins look at that and say it would get us anything other than spanked?? How??

Unbelievable Jeff

Tranmere fan in October nailed it.

We're mid-January and Ronnie still doesn't seem to know his preferred team or formation. All pre-season we played 5-3-2 and we haven't played like that once so far this season as far as I can remember.

He'd said Harrison can play out wide and Thomas can play in the number 10 role like Gray so when it wasn't working why not change it to the formation that worked Saturday. There is no point saying how flexible the players are to play more than one position when he himself won't change anything.

Moore's tactics are awful at best but what frustrates me more is either his inability to see the problems or his stubbornness to change the game. I am unsure which one is correct but suspect a mixture of both. Subs are always reactive rather than proactive and if he went tomorrow I would be happy so long as tweet pie actually brought in a manager rather than just give it to sam.

Fenwick was awful last night, at least the new guy put a shift in and Hawkins had more effect in 20 minutes than the new winger!

He just doesn`t get it, if we are getting ass fucked in the middle, CHANGE IT, don`t keep the same formation and bring on the same 11 after half time, Mooresaurus needs to put up or fuck off with Collins, inept is the word

Can't help but feel it's unfair to pass judgement on Ronnie when the telephone lines are down at the Vic. Give the bloke a chance.

“I’ve not seen us play like that for a long time,”

Really Ronnie? If that is the case then it's only because we had so long between games. Maybe he left the Pompey game after half an hour...

The football wont change been to match under Moore and nothing has changed, 10 - 20 minutes they have a go after that well, the table reflects the performances, granted games in had but at this rate winning 1 of those seems a great challenge.

Agree with MadJohn. Moore's put together a pretty competent squad, he just isn't managing them effectively.

I'm hoping yesterday will act as a turning point. I'll lose any faith in Moore if he persists with that midfield (which we've repeatedly seen not work), over the three-man one we've seen work well in the previous two games.

We won't go down under Moore but he needs to show he knows how to get the best out of this group because I reckon there's plenty of managers out there who could.

Far be it from me to comment on this team but I can comment on some of the quite bizarre comments in this thread.

let me get this right.

We are 4th bottom of the league and have just been dicked by the mighty Accrington.

Yet some want to give Moore more time.

But then.....

The players are good enough but have just been badly managed.

So can someone clarify please?

Are the players good enough and the manager is rank?

Or is the manager great and the players are good enough but are being badly managed by someone else?

Yours

Mr confused.

I said as much at the time but what was the upside of putting Moore on such a long contract if he did well who in a higher league is going to take him off us? A 62 year old fella isn't really what most progressive clubs are looking at!

Dear Mr Confused,

The players have the ability to succeed, the issue is the direction and the lack of seed

Frame him up on a betting allegation. Breach of contract and it only costs you a pound. Worked for Tranmere although the resulting bad karma put them in the conference and rightly so.

I didn't mean it's a disgrace because they are Accrington it was more about mentality, every defeat should be a disgrace, not the norm, not accepted it has become the latter of the two. We have a losing mentality within the club results almost aren't important as long as certain people stay in a job.

Plus a club with virtually no facilities or fan base are completely out performing us on the field. That is a fact and serious questions should be asked why. They won't be though.

Accrington have about a dozen league clubs on their door step so its much easier for them to pick up players cheaper than it would cost you lot to sign as they wont have to cover travel costs and players can switch clubs without relocating. Its no great surprise to me that they can get a better team on a lower budget.

I don't think people mean it the wrong way when saying about Accrington. We have been that smaller club out performing the bigger clubs before and it would be terrible if crowds dictated how teams performed.

What people are bothered about is the brushing over of how bad we are because of stuff like Accrington being in playoffs and it being a difficult game. Well yes them games are more difficult but our performance looks to be an absolute disgrace and this is what is questioned. It's the norm for 1/2 good performances to be followed up by 5/6/7 of absolute tripe and has been for a fair few seasons now. We just seem to accept that and that needs to change.

Ronnie is never going to be sacked; I imagine the new 'long term' contract he signed has something to do with that but he really needs to stop fucking around with the team when we have put performances in. It made no sense to change to 442 to 'go for it' at Accrington when they are in such a high league position. 442 is not an attacking formation when you can't get hold of the ball because midfield is consistently over ran! Don't know why an experienced football league manager can't see this! Either that or he can and is just too stubborn to leave signings out which I think is more of a case of willing to come more than actually being required

The more experienced a manager is, the more unlikely they are to change and that is why I've had enough of the poor results (lack of) and so also think it's time to give someone else a chance.

For the same reason, I'd also like to give some raw talent the opportunity next time round, someone with some fresh ideas. Surely it couldn't get any worse.

MJ is right, fans are definitely less patient today and that is probably down to social media with everyone now sharing views but I think the fans deserve better than the drivel that has been served up for the past 5/6 years.

Remember though that message boards are rarely a real representation of the feelings of all fans. The football at Pools over the last 5 or 6 years has been generally abysmal. Yet you could count on one hand the times that the supporters as a whole have expressed their discontent by booing the team off. In fact they have been cheered loudly when producing mere passages of decent play never mind 45 minutes.
Moore is still hanging on the the dwindling goodwill created by last seasons survival. But that can't last forever and if we took last March and last Augusts results as "rallies" against the norm, his record is pitiful. Ok, a rally is a rally but we need consistency and changing things for an away game at a team in a play- off position on Tuesday after two decent performances was rank bad management.

Id think a hell of alot more of Moore if for once he admitted he fucked up.

Agreed, he can't just be blaming luck or "we didn't get started". Simply say I fucked up and played the wrong team/formation.

Thing that worries me is the lack of any clarity about what he's aiming for.

Last season he inherited some players and added whatever loans he could get to cobble together a team that somehow did the job that was needed. You expect a bit of trial and error in those circumstances.

This season shouldn't be like that. He seems to prefer a 442 with a Paynter type as one of the front two although he never openly says so. Presumably he signed Ellis Harrison for this reason so why leave it until Paynter is nearly fit again?

Obviously there's an argument for adopting tactics that make the most the squad if you can't assemble a squad that plays to your favoured tactics well enough but whichever way you go it needs to be consistent. Strong defences are almost always based on a settled system that includes good protection from midfield, everybody plays in the role they're good at. If somebody gets injured your next best player in that position steps up. I get the feeling that Ronnie picks his best four fit defenders and then shuffles them to make a back four, then the best four or five midfielders and shuffles them. After that he adds forwards on the basis of Paynter plus one if Paynter is fit or at random if he isn't.

It's all a bit haphazard but the scariest thing is that when something works it doesn't seem to inform the plan for the next match. Moms are dropped, strikers who score aren't safe and a decent result or performance against a good side doesn't mean same again next match.

I wouldn't want to see a sacking but I'd really like to get a clear idea of what a Ronnie Moore team is over the next few matches. Surely that is a minimum requirement after more than a full season in the job and reasonable support with signings?

Spot on.

Add to that that the squad was unbalanced from August with no-one to do the job that Tish was so effective at; Magnay was briefly converted to fill that role but for most of the season there's been a welcome mat down the middle of the pitch pointing at Pools' goal.

It's clear that Moore's preference is to set up to attack, but 4-4-2 with misfiring forwards and no muscle in central midfield has been a recipe for defeat way more often than not.

We live in interesting times.... you sound like a child with a big drum.