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 Post subject: Scotty Fenwick
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:00 pm 
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Absolutely gutted for him yesterday for the second game in a week he was warming up near us in the Town End. Due to Ronnies poor team selection he had to make 2 subs that should of been on in the first place. When Dan Jones had to come off he knew his chance was gone of a game, he pulled his top over his head and walked back to the dug out absolutley distraught he is desparate for a game. Effort & Commitment is probably the best at the club poor lad. sadx

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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:14 pm 
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He fooked off straight down the tunnel, not to the dugout, which isn't great if you ask me. Especially when it was an injury that forced the substitution.


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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:09 pm 
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Fenwick clearly has belief in his own ability and that's absolutely fine, great in fact. What isn't right is the element of our support who have built him up to be an Alan Shearer esque messiah. He isn't all that because if he was he wouldn't be at Pools. His chance must be coming, it almost has to with the chances we squander. Hopefully he takes it but if he is sulking he needs to remember where he was this time last year.


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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:29 am 
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As a club this season we have won 6 games in league and cup.
Scott fenwick has started 9 games this season
Pools have won 5 times when he's started.

Stats don't tell lies. Look at last season. His starting presence had a similar effect. Some folk don't like him and some do but the facts are we pick up more points when he plays and is that really a coincedence?

Iv read a lot of negative comments about paynter this weekend. Im struggling to understand them also. A shitload want him dropped. For me strikers are paid to score goals. Paynters record for a struggling team is well above average in my opinion.

Bingham seems to be loved but what's his shots to goals ratio? Maybe it's time to put his pace out wide and bring fenwick back.


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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:54 am 
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When Bingham latched onto that slack back pass late on saturday I didn't feel at any time he would score, and it looked like he didn't believe he would either. I like him as a player and he has obvious qualities but he has got to score more. That was a gilt edged chance to rescue a point and he didn't take it, not for the first time.

Those stats for Fenwick are pretty complelling so it looks like it could be time to move Bingham out wide and add pace to midfield and play Scott up front. We need to do something clearly

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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:01 am 
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Fenwick was on fire last season so what does Moore do starts dropping him changing his position and basically ruining his career at pools. Ronnie will live and die by decisions like this at pools at the minute he is dying a slow death. Fenwick will disappear to another club and get goals. Once again it will be our loss. We score one goal in a game and thats about it so whether we sort the defence or midfield out I'm still not convinced we will fully benefit from it if we did. I love Bingham but If you miss seven or eight guilt edge chances in a month at home you wont win matches.


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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:10 am 
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For me our best option could be to play fenwick and paynter up top with bingham an attacking free role type position behind the front two.

After Saturday, I really do not feel confident were going to score goals. It feels like our tactic seems to be try and hold out and just nick a game by the odd goal.


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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:00 pm 
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Fenwick divides opinion but he knows where the net is, and cannot be ignored bingham creates chances but can't score, two out of dozens of good chances ,painter scores regularly there must be places for them all to start and play them to their strengths i cannot belive ronnie moores thinking on saturday two down not bringing fenwick on even with a man down in defence it was a shit or bust situation ronnie does appear to be rather slow to change things round is this a form of arrogance as not to be wrong , nero tried this idea


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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:14 pm 
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Chip Fireball wrote:
To be fair to Bingham he is the only player in the squad who could run that fast over that distance so late in the game to put Fat Boy Walton under enough pressure to underhit the back pass.

He's also the only player we have fast enough to have got there before the keeper, who was right on top of him, making it very difficult for Bingham to score.

Should Bingham score more ? Yes. Is he the problem at the moment ? I would say not really.

Fenwick has been very harshly treated by Moore IMHO, there may be off the field reasons for this, but I think at least twice he has been dropped after scoring a goal, which again IMHO isnt great man management.


I remember moore had a go at fenwick last season virtually straight away after coming to the club, i thought then and not playing him now backs it up, he just doesnt rate him.

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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:24 pm 
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The jury is out on Fenwick for me. Last season he scored some vital goals and was keen to take his chance. He seems to believe he is the second coming now though, and for some reason just wants to hit the ground as soon as someone comes near him, bit of a liability at times. Can't remember which home game it was the other week when he was laid on the floor moaning then paynter just come behind him and pulled him up by the scruff of his shirt and told him to get on with it, brillliant.

Having said that though I think maybe we need to shift Bingham to the wing or just behind as clear he hasn't got his shooting boots on

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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
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I read a lot about is needing a narky player who is prepared to cheat to win. I think we already have him and he's warming the bench week in week out. He will score goals, yes his overall game probably isn't as rounded as a Bingham but he will pop up with goals. As others have suggested surely all three can play, use Bingham as a winger like we do with Oates.


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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
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Chrissy Stevo wrote:
I read a lot about is needing a narky player who is prepared to cheat to win. I think we already have him and he's warming the bench week in week out. He will score goals, yes his overall game probably isn't as rounded as a Bingham but he will pop up with goals. As others have suggested surely all three can play, use Bingham as a winger like we do with Oates.


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that's what I miss about monkhouse, he was narky and he wound the opposition up. Fenwick is the most likely to do that, which is great, but the constant rolling around just makes him look a bit of a tit tbh

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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
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Personally I would play Bingham and Fenwick up front, with Paynter in behind them. It is clear that Paynter's much better with the ball at his feet than he is winning headers. He dropped deep when we went down to 10 men on Saturday and saw much more of the ball. He also always turned and drove forward.

Binghams pace is a great outlet to have. I would prefer a defender to hit a corner and ask Bingham to run onto it if they are under pressure. Bingham will chase and chase whether it is the 1st minute or the 90th, and later on in a game this is a real tool to have to relieve pressure if we are on the back foot.


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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:25 pm 
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I know Moore didnt look best please when Fenwick scored that good goal earlier in season (when he blammed it into the net from edge of box) and turned to Moore and pointed to the middle of the pitch as if to say "this is where to play me"

I dont think Moore takes kindly to being told he is wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
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The jury is out on Fenwick for me. Last season he scored some vital goals and was keen to take his chance. He seems to believe he is the second coming now though, and for some reason just wants to hit the ground as soon as someone comes near him, bit of a liability at times. Can't remember which home game it was the other week when he was laid on the floor moaning then paynter just come behind him and pulled him up by the scruff of his shirt and told him to get on with it, brillliant.

Having said that though I think maybe we need to shift Bingham to the wing or just behind as clear he hasn't got his shooting boots on



this isn't necessarily a poor trait to have though because teams win clever free kicks against us so often yet we are absolutely horrendous as taking advantage of it. Joel Porter was an expert at luring someone in and winning a free kick in dangerous positions.

although, the shit quality we have with set pieces, we may as well just give the ball back to opposition with a free kick anyways.


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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:27 am 
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Ronnie is stubborn; that much is becoming blatantly clear. Unfortunately, that's a trait that is to our detriment and proving costly for a number of reasons. This narrow minded approach to team selection is worrying. We needed a stubborn approach at the end of last year, but now we need to explore our options before we become so predictable that every team wipes the floor with us each week...

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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:29 pm 
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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
Fenwick was on fire last season so what does Moore do starts dropping him changing his position and basically ruining his career at pools. Ronnie will live and die by decisions like this at pools at the minute he is dying a slow death. Fenwick will disappear to another club and get goals. Once again it will be our loss. We score one goal in a game and thats about it so whether we sort the defence or midfield out I'm still not convinced we will fully benefit from it if we did. I love Bingham but If you miss seven or eight guilt edge chances in a month at home you wont win matches.


I think this is part of the problem. I think we have a section of support blowing an unbelievable amount of smoke up the lads arse and he's possibly believing this hype. He was commenting on social media about a daft barely likely rumour about him being linked to Portsmouth before a ball had even been kicked this season. Even if it's just to say 'no comment' he really shouldn't be getting involved with stuff like that.

Was he really 'on fire' last season? He signed in November and scored 6 goals. Paynter has more already this season and some people want him dropped! He did well considering where he'd came from and some of those goals were crucial ones. He did well in certain games in others he looked massively out of depth, that is probably to be expected. He started the season in team in his general play was poor but has scored a couple of decent goals against Newport and Sheffield United. Since we changed from a front three to a two his opportunities have been less. Someone commented that some people 'don't like him' on this thread, I don't think that's the case I just think a section totally overate him. He has a chance of making a career for himself but he needs to stop sulking, stop believing in the hype and to get his head down. The season is a long one, he will get chances, when he get's he probably needs to play a bit better than he has been though.


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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
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It is Fenwick's hard luck that the only areas of team selection where Moore has decent options are the forwards and goalkeeper. Oates worked hard for his chance of a start in the first 11 and has taken it. As PJ and others keep saying, Fenwick needs to work hard at his game and levels of fitness and bide his time.

I do think the manager should be making more use of him from the bench though.


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Hawkins is out on loan ain he, Spenny for 3 months.

Should send Walker out somewhere like that, similar shock to the ego as Cooper gave to Boydie at Boston

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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
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As a club this season we have won 6 games in league and cup.
Scott fenwick has started 9 games this season
Pools have won 5 times when he's started.

Stats don't tell lies. Look at last season. His starting presence had a similar effect. Some folk don't like him and some do but the facts are we pick up more points when he plays and is that really a coincedence?

Iv read a lot of negative comments about paynter this weekend. Im struggling to understand them also. A shitload want him dropped. For me strikers are paid to score goals. Paynters record for a struggling team is well above average in my opinion.

Bingham seems to be loved but what's his shots to goals ratio? Maybe it's time to put his pace out wide and bring fenwick back.


Interesting that he's started the last 2 games as well and we have won both :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: Scotty Fenwick
PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:40 pm 
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He put a good shift in yesterday and certainly played better than last week, I'd quite like to see Mandron and Bingham paired up at some point though serious pace in that partnership. I was surprised Moore didn't use Bingham towards the end yesterday when we were looking a threat on the break with them chasing the game but I suppose he'd been forced with the Duckworth injury and Featherstone came on and did alright.

Do people think Moore still has something against Fenwick by the way? As was said it's a long season and people will get opportunities at different times.


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