Corbyn

poolieinnottingham · **Posted:** Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:59 am

Get in! Exactly what the country needs, proper political debate on the cards now.

All the new Labour Tory-lite twats can go and jump now.

grabec · **Joined:** Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:45 am **Posts:** 830

Great news, even though it was nailed on. It's pretty exciting.

The worry is that the 'Tory-lites' are threatening to boycott his shadow cabinet, preferring to heckle from the wings .......though, predictably, their intentions will probably change if they're actually offered roles.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

I'm over the moon along with every other dyed in the wool Tory.

grabec · **Joined:** Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:45 am **Posts:** 830

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

I'm over the moon along with every other dyed in the wool Tory.

Thing is, when one is in your position, it doesn't matter who's in power, you'll be OK. Not to appear hypocritical, the same probably applies to me too.
Difference between us seems to be that I want people represented who fall through the safety net and aren't OK at all, through no fault of their own.

Fatty eats roadkill · **Posted:** Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:32 pm

Maybe those resigning should also resign as Labour MP's seeing as they reckon he shouldn't be the leader. Now there is an alternative to the race to the bottom. As for Fallon saying Corbyn and labour are a threat to national security, well when he legged it from Darlo after losing his seat maybe he should've seen what being on the scrap heap is all about. Not everyone has the contacts he does.

shilts · **Joined:** Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:32 pm **Posts:** 1575

grabec wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

I'm over the moon along with every other dyed in the wool Tory.

Thing is, when one is in your position, it doesn't matter who's in power, you'll be OK. Not to appear hypocritical, the same probably applies to me too.
Difference between us seems to be that I want people represented who fall through the safety net and aren't OK at all, through no fault of their own.

I normally ignore the political threads but oddly chose to read this one and this post from grabec is one that I completely agree with.

horden · **Posted:** Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:31 pm

Gerrin! Off down the pub to celebrate. Don't you just love it when democracy goes wrong. LOL!

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

Let's see what happens now.. Poor Tory Blair his legacy will be decimated

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aptid · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:49 pm **Posts:** 1506

You have to hand it to Corbyn a very well conducted campaign, cleverly orchestrated to appeal to the disenfranchised, you know he believes what he says and is a conviction politician.

I think his difficulty will come when some of his purely populist proposals are exposed for the fantasy economics they are. Good luck to the man.

As a footnote, good to see Yvette Cooper and Andy Burnham rejected out of hand.

born toulouse · **Posted:** Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:44 pm

Delighted to see the result. Be very interesting to see if the time is right for a conviction politician who says what he thinks about the problems facing so many people. If he can harness the sort of supporters that voted against austerity in Greece and Spain there could be a few 'expert' political commentators who end up looking like right arses.

Pooly_Imp · **Posted:** Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:56 pm

Some of his policies are utter tree - hugging lunacy. Very scary.

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3Quid · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:11 pm **Posts:** 1791

Be very worried if this bloke ever gets anywhere near running the country. Photos of him sat having a cosy cup of coffee with Adams and McGuinness are enough to worry anyone. Also, his big trade union mate Len Mcluskey happily took on a £5000 pay rise whilst unite (Labours biggest donor) members had a pay freeze. For those who don't know, that's against everything they preach but I'm not really surprised.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:44 pm

3Quid wrote:

Be very worried if this bloke ever gets anywhere near running the country. Photos of him sat having a cosy cup of coffee with Adams and McGuinness are enough to worry anyone. Also, his big trade union mate Len Mcluskey happily took on a £5000 pay rise whilst unite (Labours biggest donor) members had a pay freeze. For those who don't know, that's against everything they preach but I'm not really surprised.

**Cough**

billythefisherman · **Joined:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:40 am **Posts:** 388

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

I'm over the moon along with every other dyed in the wool Tory.

I had you down as UKIP bordering on BNP?

3Quid · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:11 pm **Posts:** 1791

No surprise that Adams congratulated Corbyn on his victory calling him "a friend of Ireland"
This isn't Ireland (not that there is any such country and ever will be again) and anyone who thinks that Adams and McGuinness should be anywhere near politics needs sectioning. Also no shock that Hamas have also congratulated him on his leadership win.

The Fat Man · **Joined:** Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:03 pm **Posts:** 2107

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

I'm over the moon along with every other dyed in the wool Tory.

I suppose you're thinking of the comparison with Foot? He might well have won if the argies hadn't been so daft.

3Quid · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:11 pm **Posts:** 1791

The Fat Man wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

I'm over the moon along with every other dyed in the wool Tory.

I suppose you're thinking of the comparison with Foot? He might well have won if the argies hadn't been so daft.

Do you seriously think Michael Foot was capable of running a country?

Support for him was the lowest of any Labour leader ever. No doubt he was intelligent, a man of letters etc but prime minister?

The Fat Man · **Joined:** Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:03 pm **Posts:** 2107

3Quid wrote:

The Fat Man wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

I'm over the moon along with every other dyed in the wool Tory.

I suppose you're thinking of the comparison with Foot? He might well have won if the argies hadn't been so daft.

Do you seriously think Michael Foot was capable of running a country?

Support for him was the lowest of any Labour leader ever. No doubt he was intelligent, a man of letters etc but prime minister?

While thatcher had the lowest ratings of any sitting PM. Even she thought she'd lose. And learn to read; I didn't say Foot would be any good, rather that thatcher got lucky. Given the rise of neoliberal economics across the world, I suspect it would have been a 'blip' in grand scheme of things.

3Quid · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:11 pm **Posts:** 1791

I can read. Obviously you can't. Who mentioned Thatcher? Your obvious obsession with the greatest prime minister of the 20th century is getting to you.

Have a lay down down for 10 minutes and forget about her.

KateST73 · **Joined:** Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:24 am **Posts:** 97

3Quid wrote:

I can read. Obviously you can't. Who mentioned Thatcher? Your obvious obsession with the greatest prime minister of the 20th century is getting to you.

Have a lay down down for 10 minutes and forget about her.

Reading between the lines I would be willing to bet that what you know about Ireland and politics in general could be written on the back of a matchbox.
Silly man.

henry · **Joined:** Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:22 pm **Posts:** 127

Pools lose but Corbyn wins so it wasn't all bad yesterday. Hopefully we will now see the back of Cooper, Balls and Burnham et al

Rinkender · **Joined:** Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:36 pm **Posts:** 797

Cooper resigned last season, keep up

The Fat Man · **Joined:** Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:03 pm **Posts:** 2107

3Quid wrote:

I can read. Obviously you can't. Who mentioned Thatcher? Your obvious obsession with the greatest prime minister of the 20th century is getting to you.

Have a lay down down for 10 minutes and forget about her.

I was making a comparison between Foot and Corbyn; I therefore implicitly made reference to Thatcher as she was PM when Foot was Labour leader. I'd have thought that was obvious. The point, I thought, was a simple one. Everyone thinks Corbyn will take Labour into the political wilderness (and he may), in the same way everyone thought Foot did this in the 80s. But the hypothetical question remains: could Foot have won, given how unpopular Thatcher was at the time, if she hadn't gone to war? (It's well documented that Thatcher thought she'd lost the country in her early years as PM.) We'll never know, and the comparison doesn't work in a straightforward way. Nowhere in that analysis am I suggesting that Foot would have been any good, as you stated I did. And that's not an obsession with Thatcher, but a comparison between Foot and Corbyn.

Fatty eats roadkill · **Posted:** Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:07 pm

The difference between the Falklands and wars since is that that was an invasion on a British territory. That's why she got the country on her side otherwise she would've lost. The father in law stood as an MP in London for the 83 election. He always said if it wasn't for that war she'd have been gone. She was very lucky it came.

Corbyn may well be "loony left" but at least he's prepared to stand up for what he believes is right, not the pursuit of power for powers sake. The right wing media may well fool most of the people with their attacks on him but it just shows how they are sheep these days brain washed into what they think.

You only have to look at the Tories saying he is a threat to national security already. Wonder when they're gonna drop a bomb from a drone on him if that's the case?

born toulouse · **Posted:** Sun Sep 13, 2015 2:29 pm

Not hard to decide who you prefer when you compare what they were up to in the 80s:

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grabec · **Joined:** Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:45 am **Posts:** 830

Who is it? He's vaguely familiar but they all look the same to me.
My god , what a shower. I hope abolishing public schools is one of the first things on Jeremy's to do list.

born toulouse · **Posted:** Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:55 pm

Right Hon Sebastian Richard Edward Cuthbert James, the son of hereditary peer and landowning aristocrat Lord Northbourne.
Ham-face Cameron is second from the left back row and Boris Johnson is on the right of the row that is sitting down. Not sure how Jools Holland sneaked in next to Cameron.

grabec · **Joined:** Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:45 am **Posts:** 830

Why? Is it copyright?
Anyway, I'm sure Mr I won't mind. He'll jump at the chance to do his bit in exposing enemies of the people.

Loid Haw-Haw of Sussex · **Posted:** Sun Sep 13, 2015 5:37 pm

Brian Clough wrote:

UKIP

Not long now before half of middle east arrives here.

Spelk · **Joined:** Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:51 am **Posts:** 49

grabec wrote:

My god , what a shower. I hope abolishing public schools is one of the first things on Jeremy's to do list.

Tom Watson: What elitist schools are we getting rid of first Corbyn?

Jeremy Corbyn: Elementary my dear Watson.

3Quid · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:11 pm **Posts:** 1791

Well well, just saw that the "Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader" t-shirts were made in Nicaragua by 'workers' who are paid a mind boggling 49p an hour!

Lets stick together comrade, power to the people. All workers in the world unite lol

Fatty eats roadkill · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:23 am

If the Tories get their way that's all anyone will get a week!

born toulouse · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:25 am

Chip Fireball wrote:

grabec wrote:

Why? Is it copyright?
Anyway, I'm sure Mr I won't mind. He'll jump at the chance to do his bit in exposing enemies of the people.

The photo started circulating on social media way back when Cameron got the Tory leadership. There was talk of one of the dailies running the photo alongside an interview with a former " Buller " who was going to tell tales of how they used to party in the outfits shown in the photo ( which cost over 3 grand a piece ) , get drunk to excess in the top end local restaurants before smashing them up, which apparently these establishments were okay about because someone always went round the next day and paid in cash for the damage.

Just by magic the owners of the photo withdrew all permission to reproduce it, and it also just as quickly started vanishing from social media. It got to such a ridiculous state of affairs that the BBC who had planned to use it in a programme had to commission someone to reproduce it in a painting so folk watching could grasp what the fuck they were going on about.

Not sure if its an urban myth, but apparently anyone who does reproduce it gets sued to the point where all of their worldly possessions are taken and sold, to repair the damage done to Mr Cameron.

I think he did try to stop it being made available but he must have failed badly because you can choose your version to download from Google images and the Daily Mail, The Guardian and The Telegraph have all published it and have it on their websites. Mind you they've probably got deeper pockets than Mr I so I won't argue if any of the mods would prefer to delete it.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

Incidentally, anyone know what school Corbyn went to? I'm pretty sure it wasn't a comprehensive.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

grabec wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

I'm over the moon along with every other dyed in the wool Tory.

Thing is, when one is in your position, it doesn't matter who's in power, you'll be OK. Not to appear hypocritical, the same probably applies to me too.
Difference between us seems to be that I want people represented who fall through the safety net and aren't OK at all, through no fault of their own.

Frankly Diane, how very dare you!

Throughout my working life I have looked after the staff far better than most. I have given the lowest paid as much as I could get away with and sometimes more. I have got myself in trouble a couple of times for agreeing benefits that were above my authority level. In my current job I have just done away with zero hours contracts for 8 members of staff and put them on a level which is above the new 'living wage'.

I am right wing in a lot of things, predominantly defence of the realm but I have not forgotten where I come from and I demonstrate that by actions rather than vague platitudes.

returnofaido · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:51 am

TalbotAvenger wrote:

3Quid wrote:

Be very worried if this bloke ever gets anywhere near running the country. Photos of him sat having a cosy cup of coffee with Adams and McGuinness are enough to worry anyone. Also, his big trade union mate Len Mcluskey happily took on a £5000 pay rise whilst unite (Labours biggest donor) members had a pay freeze. For those who don't know, that's against everything they preach but I'm not really surprised.

**Cough**

bit of a red herring that mr avenger. cameron has had to deal with mcguiness following the outcome of the peace process and the validation of sinn fein as a political party. corbyn revelled in supporting the IRA when they were an outlawed terrorist group killing british citizens in the 70s and 80s as part of his anti-establishment stance.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

Chip Fireball wrote:

Corbyn went to a grammar school ( to be fair a fair few of the brighter working class kids did in the day ) then I think on to Poly.

Tom Watson went to the bog standard Secondary Modern.

Some semblance of normality as opposed to the traditionalTory route of top public school, Oxford, politics for a bit, then off to make real money.

Ermm... slight misnomer, he went to a Private Grammar School.
Adams' Grammar School, current fees £10'640 a year.

returnofaido · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:01 am

why introduce facts into this debate Mr I ?

grabec · **Joined:** Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:45 am **Posts:** 830

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

grabec wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

I'm over the moon along with every other dyed in the wool Tory.

Thing is, when one is in your position, it doesn't matter who's in power, you'll be OK. Not to appear hypocritical, the same probably applies to me too.
Difference between us seems to be that I want people represented who fall through the safety net and aren't OK at all, through no fault of their own.

Frankly Diane, how very dare you!

Throughout my working life I have looked after the staff far better than most. I have given the lowest paid as much as I could get away with and sometimes more. I have got myself in trouble a couple of times for agreeing benefits that were above my authority level. In my current job I have just done away with zero hours contracts for 8 members of staff and put them on a level which is above the new 'living wage'.

I am right wing in a lot of things, predominantly defence of the realm but I have not forgotten where I come from and I demonstrate that by actions rather than vague platitudes.

What's needed is that the lowest paid are given a better deal without having to rely on the benefaction of their bosses. That's pure paternalism, in one way, and depends on the favour of one person. In other words, it could end at any time.

As you point out, you've treated staff 'far better than most'. What about the others? At present, employers in this country have the right to treat their staff exactly as they wish.

Nothing to do with right/left as such. Apparently in Germany employer/employee relations are on a complete other footing. That's one reason why they're secure economically, and we aren't.

born toulouse · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:36 am

returnofaido wrote:

why introduce facts into this debate Mr I ?

Problem is you have to be sure that they are facts.

It's a state school that charges fees for boarders. Haydon Bridge do that because it works better for farmers who live miles away up crappy little roads. The £10,640 a year is for bed and board not the education.

As far as I can see it would have been a state school when Corbyn was there because it went grant maintained in the '80s which was a dodge grammar schools used to avoid being made to go comprehensive by the local authority. I don't think you could go grant maintained if you were already private.

grabec · **Joined:** Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:45 am **Posts:** 830

Thank you. You almost saved me the trouble of providing a quote. I'll do it anyway, from the school's web-site.
"Adams' is a selective state school which admits both boarding and day pupils"

As if any child had influence over his parent's choice of school. And it's quite clear nothing in Corbyn's schooling privileged him in any way.

ps aido, you come over as a complete idiot on may occasions.

born toulouse · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:05 am

Just had a look at The Daily Mail website and there is a biography of Corbyn by Quentin Letts. They shouldn't really be allowed to pretend that abuse like that is journalism. Best bit is when he claims that Corbyn is known as 'the sexpot trot' because he's been married three times. I don't think anybody except Quentin in an earlier article has ever called him that, not least because he has never been a trotskyist. He's always been happy to talk to anybody in the interests of building campaigns but the bloke has always been solidly Labour Party and was never in Militant or anything similar.

He can't have many skeletons in the cupboard if that is all they can find but I suppose they'll just continue making stuff up.

Fatty eats roadkill · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:30 am

His first question at PMQ's should be this- seeing as your defence secretary and various other ministers in your government have declared me a threat to national security when can I expect to be blown up by a bomb dropped from a drone?

Would love it if that was actually asked.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

How about his prep school. Would you like to explain how that was an free inner city hell hole too?

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

grabec wrote:

Apparently in Germany employer/employee relations are on a complete other footing. That's one reason why they're secure economically, and we aren't.

We are secure economically. Or we were until the disaster that was Gordon Brown.

As for the Germans, some are some aren't. That is also the case in this country and the German economy ain't that great at the moment.

On the subject of Germany, I see they've shut the gates and are now insisting that the rest of Europe bail them out of the shit after they've let half of Syria in. I wasn't there but in the pictures I've seen, an awful lot of them were wearing rucksacks. Incidentally, I don't think Germany is in any position to lecture us on human rights.

Fatty eats roadkill · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:37 pm

Didn't Gordon spend all that money propping up the Tory party's donators when they found out they weren't the masters of the universe they thought they were?

Also why was Dave the slug and his henchmen agree with Gordon's spending so much that they said they were going to match what he was spending?

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

Off the top of my head I don't know the details because the statistics are always clouded with smoke and mirrors.. Part of it is because Osborne is a twat undoubtedly and didn't spot that zero hours contracts require topping up with working tax credits. This basically means that you pay dole money to working people instead of the companies who should pay it. As I said, I'm no fan of these non jobs.

The bigger issue is that it takes a long time to turn round a supertanker. The debts of today are a result of decisions taken years ago. Add to that the ongoing cost of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, billions upon billions.

If I had time I could probably come up with an ten pager but the one area I do agree with Corbyn is that we should not be pissing £100bn up the wall on Trident.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

I dont follow politics.

Brief summary of this guy would be appreciated?

born toulouse · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:59 pm

Veteran bearded lefty who seems to say things he believes rather than relying on spin doctors. Won despite all the experts saying he stood no chance. Is either the bringer of doom for Labour or a sign that politics is shifting.

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