Two scumbags from over here flee to Syria to join ISIS and according to security services are to train to attack us and thy have been killed in a drone strike



well done to our intelligence services you would think but no not in this country there is a gonna be a inquiry to why they where killed without permission

fooking backward at times this country they are free to run around cutting folks heads off massacring on a mass scale but it's just not cricket to kill them 2 ???

I wonder what the odds of there family taking legal action and suing the government

If the killing was 100% legal then there's no problem. In not, then it must be subject to an enquiry

I'm all for wiping out ISIS by any means at all.

But I can see why this particular sort of case has to be looked at. If you let this go by, wouldn't you have to agree to drones from all countries zooming round, dropping on anyone they liked?
Again what if it was a case of mistaken identity? It wouldn't be the first time Intelligence had got it wrong.

I think these two were fair game, have no problem with it, rather them than any of my friends, family, colleagues getting hit by their terror strike in the UK.

Still though, the inquiry will keep some pen pushers in jobs, I've just spend 4.5 months appealing an invalid council parking ticket, must have cost the tax payer ten times the amount the fine was for, but hey it was all done following procedures, and they are never wrong. *

*My appeal was successful as the council failed to defend themselves at an independent tribunal.

I'm all for it kill more of them.Since Saddam was removed And Gadaffi look at the state of the world.

Tony blair to blame More labor shit just like the gay fooker running Hartlepool ,who is now closing church street to open some cafe's.

Yes, lets not think it through. Let's just kill everyone we think might be involved.

And then let's not complain when some foreign drone starts doing the same thing in England.

Drone wars, like robot wars but international and in the skies, you've got some there.

I'd be very keen for foreign states to assist in taking out terrorists should we not have the facility to do it ourself. Thankfully we're in a position of moderate security and, in protecting our own nation, have assisted another.

I suppose they where just in Syria on holiday then and we should have left them to get on with there site seeing then ffs they where over there to learn to kill and cause terror so get rid of them and do it by what ever means

If they were the pair Intelligence thought they were, and if they were plotting an attack on innocent people, they deserved to die.

That doesn't mean it was legal for the British state to kill them. That's what the enquiry aims to find out....as Bresslaw said in the first place.

can we have a drone strike against AKKERS BELCHERS ? for crimes against Hartlepool

Grabec, people like these two only ever plot to kill/murder innocent people, I fail to see how it could be illegal to take out these two legitimate targets.
The one from Cardiff uses social media to boast of killing prisoners, beheadings etc. and glorifies it for all to see.

I don't see how anyone thinks scum like this should have any legal rights, especially in the country they left behind and were actively planning to commit atrocities in.

The UK's softly softly approach to extremists in this country is laughable, in my opinion our laws just make it easier for evil bastards like them to peddle their twisted views and makes it almost impossible for our authorities to do anything about it. Our country is now a breeding ground for these kind of people.

In short, if killing them has saved one innocent person's life over here then it's a thumbs up from me, bollocks to anyone who gets upset over the legal rights of terrorists, British or not.

Some similarities to the a Royal Marine a year or two ago. There are legalities in conflict like it or not. He was rightly found guilty and sentenced. As crazy as it sounds, we can't just go around killing people.

I think I said in this country.

Ok, the wankers who murdered innocent UK citizens on 7/7, Lee Rigby's murderers, all of them on MI5's radar but not allowed to be hauled in because of the legal ramifications. Chowdhary, Hamza and the two hundred or so extremists demonstrating in London against the British Army, calling for them to be murdered/beheaded, all terrorist sympathisers, another example of soft touch UK.

I agree, generally speaking they are doing a good job and there will be plenty of things we don't get to hear about.

As for your last comment, do me a favour! Typical of you though and not unexpected.

So where would we be now if we had the same approach as half of you lot on here in world war 1&2 eh

Ooh don't drop a bomb on the Germans soldiers it's just not right why don't we just give them a good ticking off !

These 2 pieces of shit went to FIGHT in a war zone as so called soldiers who rape murder set people on fire, push poofs of buildings hang women and kids etc but you still think it's wrong to kill them, they have had a chance to take them out and they took it fucking good on them !

I suppose it was wrong for the sas to kill the iran ian hostage takers or any ira member sho was about to shoot a run man doing his job, why don't we issue our armed forces with custard pie guns like buggsy malone

So where would we be now if we had the same approach as half of you lot on here in world war 1&2 eh

Ooh don't drop a bomb on the Germans soldiers it's just not right why don't we just give them a good ticking off !

These 2 pieces of shit went to FIGHT in a war zone as so called soldiers who rape murder set people on fire, push poofs of buildings hang women and kids etc but you still think it's wrong to kill them, they have had a chance to take them out and they took it fucking good on them !

I suppose it was wrong for the sas to kill the iran ian hostage takers or any ira member sho was about to shoot a run man doing his job, why don't we issue our armed forces with custard pie guns like buggsy malone

There are rules in combat. Simple

Trouble is Bresslaw that they don't follow the rules. I agree that you can't have all out carnage but in my view we need to do what we should have done with the IRA all those years ago. Gloves off and no messing about with little yellow cards.

In this case, when you have someone of UK origin, training in Syria to attack us and happy to circulate photos of themselves with weapons fighting for an organisation like IS then I reckon they shouldn't be too surprised when they get a hellfire missile up their arse.

It's realpolitik . They were hardly going to be apprehended and brought in for a 'chat' about their extra curricular activities.

So what number rule is cutting people's head off

What number is hanging people


What number is .......................do you really want me to go on.

Brilliant pick them of one at a time about time we had the balls to do it. Might make people think twice about plotting mass murder against us. Maybe if these do gooders were attacked by these cretins they may have a different outlook.

Aye, you're right Verbal. Let's just allow our lads in to cut off heads

I'm not saying I disagree with what's happened, I'm saying it has to be legal.

I got pelters for daring to suggest that Marine deserved his sentence, I stand by that and for this reason I want this to be deemed legal

I got a bit of grief myself over disagreeing with the common theme. Most RM's go with the party line but for me, you just don't kill prisoners. As soon as you do you cross into Waffen SS territory.

I do think however that his state of mind should have been taken more into account. The bloke was clearly traumatised over events of the preceding weeks.

The thing is them bas*ards ( Yanks ) have done it before, so I would say they are the same as the people they oppose.

Its has to be legal,sanctioned by parliament, our representatives ( us the fooking people ) to do otherwise is very dangerous indeed. Are we a democracy or not? I have my doubts these days.

@Block B
"I don't see how anyone thinks scum like this should have any legal rights, especially in the country they left behind and were actively planning to commit atrocities in."

According to what lawyers are saying, if the pair were going to attack, it would have been legal to take them out, in 'self defence'. But that has yet to be established. If they were guilty no-one would give a fig about their human rights.

If any State starts killing people without legality being established, there'll be repercussions in other countries, and in other terrorist groups, world-wide. Won't that result in more people ultimately being killed?

They are terrorists plain and simple would you rather just watch them and they slip under the radar b a k in this country and you stood watching g a sporting event a d then boom !

No I didn't think so kill them and every other terrorist

"Daft"? Fuck me Chip, you really take the biscuit sometimes. Just because my opinion is different to yours you resort to insults and mocking other people's thoughts. If you bother to take your head out of your arse once in a while you'll see the world is full of differences of opinions and yours is not the only one that counts.

I think you'll find there's a lot more people around who think the same as me than you care to admit.

Bresslaw, if you want to hamstring our forces by enforcing artificial 'legalities', its like taking a knife to a gunfight. They have no rules, restrictions or reluctance to oppress and murder innocent people using the most vile, base methods known to man. We must take them on on their terms and show no mercy whatsoever. They abhor our very way of life, they cannot be negotiated with and they are utterly dedicated to wiping western civilisation off the map. I would suggest that we use every means possible to destroy them.

Horden, your ilk are a huge reason why we struggle to deal with IS and the like. Perhaps you could do us all a favour and take yourself across to their gaff and try and negotiate a peaceful solution with them. Let us know how it goes.

I must have missed the news on the TV saying parliament had authorised the RAF to bomb Syria.

A lot of straw man arguments going on here. Hear them all the time in the pub. Kill them before they kill us. Really? Where does it end then? When there's only the toffs left in their country piles?

so not only a loid, but also a liberal handwringer ? fuck me fatty, you've drawn the short straw haven't you ?

So you alright with 2 men from Britian going over there and training in terrorism to use on the country who has looked after them so well are you fatty ?

What do you propose we should have done with them ?

What a lad of tosh Aido. It is us and the yanks who use the most vile methods to destroy our enemy. Have IS got nuclear weapons? uranium and cluster bombs, drones? heat seeking missiles, cruise missiles that basically cremate their victims on the spot and kill innocent people in the meantime. As for abhorring our way of life, do me a favour please. As for me negotiating with them, I am hoping another one of my ilk Jeremy Corbyn will do it for me when he becomes Prime Minister.

http://williamblum.org/chapters/rogue-s ... -countries


http://www.countercurrents.org/polya050713.htm

Tickle their bellies and give them jam roly poly and custard Mr verbal.

I would say calling someone else's opinion daft is an insult, but hey, let's not split hairs.

Bleating on? Nah! not backing down to you and your bully boy tactics that you use on anyone who dare express an opinion different to yours. Seen it far too often on here over the years.

Has a vote been passed in parliament returnofaido declaring war? No. Therefore we shouldn't be using the RAF to bomb another country. What if we decide the French are a threat to national security by going on strike in Calais? Bomb them with drones?

All smacks of the crusades again. We should stay out of Islamic civil wars. They are nutters! If people decide to go on foreign jihad then make them non nationals and arrest them if they try to get back in.

You cant help but think if over the years Britain had decided it didnt want to rule the world, how we wouldnt have become a terrorist target.

We have a bloody awful history, if you look beyond those perceived as heroes down the centuries.

During the first world war our leaders should have been charged with murder, war crimes and abuse.

But the history books barely mention how our leaders sent so many to certain death.

What were we doing in Africa, and India?

Oh yes, ruling them.

Roll on a few years and we decide to attack the middle east.........but its not about Oil though.

Israel have crimes to answer for, and is arguably responsible for the shit happening now. But because of the second world war, thats all ok.

We have a fucked up opinion of our own importance.

And I wont even mention the falklands.

So you ok at sitting back while they cut the heads off English foreign aid workers are you and anyone else who they don't like ?

You think k they should be left to get on with it ?

Should hitler have been just left to murder millions of Jews because it was happening in another country ?

Did we go to war with Germany for this reason?

No we went to war to help out countries been taken over by blood thirsty power mad people and before they worked there way over here

Does that sound familiar at all ?

You'd better friggin not!!

So I will ask you colonel are you happy to just let them kidnap English aid workers and cutting there head off for all the world to see ???

When I responded to Bresslaw earlier I was thinking of a traditional battlefield scenario and I stand by that.

However, this whole ISIS thing is different to anything we've faced in modern times. The only raison d'etre these people have is to kill westerners, in particularly the great and little Satans. War doesn't have to be declared to take action. Where there is a threat to the country or it's citizen we are legally empowered to strike first. Personally, and I mean this... Forget drone attacks and Hellfires, I would use the nukes on ISIS.

What a lad of tosh Aido. It is us and the yanks who use the most vile methods to destroy our enemy. Have IS got nuclear weapons? uranium and cluster bombs, drones? heat seeking missiles, cruise missiles that basically cremate their victims on the spot and kill innocent people in the meantime. As for abhorring our way of life, do me a favour please. As for me negotiating with them, I am hoping another one of my ilk Jeremy Corbyn will do it for me when he becomes Prime Minister.

http://williamblum.org/chapters/rogue-s ... -countries


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you talk some shite Ronaldo. They DESPISE us and everything we stand for, whether we sympathise with them or not. If you can't see that then you're wilfully ignorant. Good luck with your mate Corbyn negotiating with them, maybe he should set off over there now as he's got Bob Hope of convincing the British public that he's an electable Statesman .

IS will have access to nuclear weapons if we allow them to expand and annexe more of the middle east. You're that caught up in your hatred of all things western, you're blind to what's right in front of you. Regardless of our actions in the Middle East in recent years, IS is driven by extreme wahabism, and extreme Islamists would be looking to establish a caliphate. Its fucking muddle-headed liberals like you that allow these lunatics and their apologists the oxygen that they crave.

They don't use technological weapons; they much prefer the public beheadings and immolations that are designed to strike fear into us. Couple that with their clever use of the media, and they're very very effective. The West aren't the enemy here just because we fucked up our exit policy in the past. These lunatics would be after us anyway.

Aren't us using drones the same? Striking fear through public executions? thats what the drone bombing was. Not much difference between us when you break it down to that level.

As for the Second World War that was in response to treaty obligations and passed by parliament I do believe.

What a fucking stupid response

2 fuckers go over to Syria with guns with the intent kill and do whatever and get blown up by a missile which they would probably known fuck all about

1 English kind gentle man goes over to Syria armed with blankets and water to give help to people and is given a slow degrading painful death

Fuck all alike I would say would you

Do I really need to answer this?

I am not sure how my points are in any way related to your, franky, stupid question.

I want to live in a peaceful world.

There is more than a compelling argument that says the UK is culpible for many of the threats out there today.

But to answer your question:

Of course not.

But there again, I am also not that sympathetic to any western folk actually deciding to go out there to do aid work. I think they are bonkers.

But thera again, again. I think anyone joining the armed forces now is also bonkers.

Opinions eh?

yeah, and the second world war had the Geneva Convention and rules of engagement. tell you what, you convince IS to play by the generally observed 'rules' of war, and i'll lobby for us to do the same. until then, its us taking a knife to a gunfight.

we just removed two players off the board with a strike that risked no civilian casualties. job done.