Have sunk to a new all time low, they have put the Jordanian pilot they captured in a cage and burnt him to death, Jordan threatened to execute every ISIS prisoner they have, lets hope they got on with it.

The pilot was from a very prominent tribe according to the news and I don't know much about Jordan whether its a big military country but lets hope they strike hard and fast

Let's hope they don't execute all Isis prisoners eh? What message would that send? They must continue the air strikes with resilience so the pilots life has not been lost in vain. ISIS are animals that are 2 centuries behind the rest of the world. They threw a mincepot off a roof just because of his sexuality. Then when he survived the fall they stamped him to death.

Just had a look Chip and they don't seem a push over they have 110,000 troops and a shit load of aircraft, tanks and other army things and fooking loads of money !

They not messing about looks like they gonna hang that terrorist bitch ISIS wanted to exchange tomorrow

I assume it isn't backwards to refer to a man as a mincepot then?

It's an affectionate term...not in a gay way though...errr

Anyone got any ideas on how to end this tit for tat killing? ffs!

Had me chuckling did that

It isn't really tit for tat.

The best way to deal with ISIS would be to destroy their communication infrastructure which means a media blackout on reporting and turning off the internet and mobile communications in the whole region. Then just leave it until the locals get sick and revolt before installing a dictator who can keep the loonies in order.

The only other way is killing millions of innocents in bombing campaigns.

IS are barbarians and their leadership is truly evil, I have a mate working protection in Iraq and apparently the stuff they see/hear on the ground over there is worse than gets through to us, they killed 28 of their own commanders for losing ground to the Kurds the other day which shows how ruthless they are.

Look, there is only one way to sort this out. A batch of tactical nuclear missiles. No I am not joking. A TNW will wipe out the equivalent of a large city and keep it wiped out. Kill every last raghead bastard in this mob. They won't be back. Dead men don't fight back.

It would definitely sort these twats out. 1'000'000 degrees tends to incinerate life. I would suck off a tramp to go up against them.

It isn't just those twats who are the problem, as much as I'd loose no sleep over IS being bombed to bits there are millions of non violent (or at least not a threat to the west) muslims living there and they would die too creating a global muslims versus everyone else type of war and lots of blood would be spilled needlessly.

Not in their theatre of operations there aren't. Any peace loving muslims are running a mile from this lot.

What about a black tramp?
Your plan would be ideal if the 'ragheads' hadn't infiltrated our green and pleasant land with their hatred disguised as religion, along with every other country they claim to hate yet are happy to makes lives in.

So what's your views on the good old U S of A then?

Napalming innocents in Vietnam that didn't fit into the capitalist viewpoint of the west?

just curious Mr I.

And no - I don't support ISIS in this shit storm - what happened to the hostages is a utterly depraved act - but I do agree with the others that innocent muslims are in those areas too - as there are plenty of non racist Poolies.

That tramp is surely blown to fuck by now though Mr I ...

I say we tell them to grow the fuck up with their religious nonsense, then nuke them. If you're living under the black flag, you might as well be fighting for it in my eyes.

Mr I isn't racist, he said sorry and will suck off any tramp except a black one.

Using the term ragheads and ramjams is hardly respectful is it.

Neither is nig nogs as my Nana used to use it all the time and she definitely was not a racist or a Nazi in any form

I'm not being respectful. I have no respect for them.

Is fuzzy face's ok

that's blatantly obvious Mr I, which was my point.

so where do you stand on the atrocities committed by ourselves and our best buds across the Atlantic?

Without doubt a horrific war crime that puts them up there with the Serbs. Mai Lai / Dvobrovnic whats the difference?

They'd be offended by us air dropping a load of warm bacon sandwiches on them.

I remember the Indian Shop in the town being described as a nig nog shop when I was a kid. I'm sure they weren't offended..

no difference which is why I posed the question.

We had no business being in Iraq or Afghanistan and as someone who played a small part in the former, I don't agree with invading people other peoples countries. I do happen to think that there is a point that you have to stand up against bullies. IS are the worst in history and should be wiped off the planet. Unless of course the Guardian readers can come up with a defence for their atrocities.

We should have acted earlier against the Nazis and we that same choice to make again right now.

we'll we agree on a few points there Mr I - I agree we shouldn't be enforcing our ideas across the world - as I also agree we need to defend the innocent.

would also have to agree that more should've been done to stop the German war machine in the 30's.

aside from your love of Mrs Thatcher - and use of colourful language - I don't think we differ much ideologically.

I spent five years in Saudi - first Friday, out for a walk, I came across an execution - white face was pushed to the front - horrible - now, let's talk about their hypocrisy, sell them West London and let them all kill each other......

And on the other side - we cannot/ should not push our values on folk with a different perspective......jeez, that annoyed me.... 'folk with a different perspective'! How I wanted to describe them would have got the Guardian Brigade on my case.....

Right, back to how we support Ronnie through the Summer (and beyond)...

These deranged religious throwbacks are trying to start armaggedon and a nuclear strike from the West is probably on their divine wishlist. I have absolutely no idea how to stop them, their brutality seems to appeal to every Western second/third generation immigrant who gibbers on about "infidels" and "my people", and then buggers off to Syria to slaughter everything in sight. The Islamic establishment need to do, and been seen to be doing, an awful lot more. So do the providers of the 21st century curse of "Social Media".

We will never beat them. They crave death more than we crave life. No answers to that.

Oh we will. We have more guns, more missiles, more drones, more everything. We just need the political will to annihilate them.

It's those white members of ISIS who really wind me up like.......

What amazes me is the lack of direct intervention by the World's Muslims. They all say they abhor what is being done in the name of Islam and yet don't lift a finger to stop it.

Why aren't the hate raising Imams across the World inciting their young men to go and rid the World of the evil people who are denigrading the name of their beloved religion.

Islam will eventually take over this World, either by peaceful means or using the sword.
Unless the World wakes up and puts a stop to it.

I find it funny that a Muslim in this country jumps up and down in annoyance at "racist" remarks but can only summon a shrug of the shoulders at the atrocities carried out in the name of his revered God.

And no I don't condone atrocities carried out by other religious groups either, nor do I condone what has been done by the "West" but I am sticking to the thread title.

There is a huge fear in this country of offending anyone because you might be called racist. This is not something has has every worried me personally but I do cringe when people in the public eye queue up to say that all Muslims are peace loving other than a small minority. I say its bollox. A minority? yes probably. A tiny minority? no chance.

When that neo-Nazi loon in Norway killed lots of people nobody said that the arch-bishop of Canterbury should start ranting and raving about how bad neo-Nazis were but one of the loons main aims was to defend the Christian way of life. Obviously prominent Christian leaders like bishops, the pope etc didn't feel the need to warn their flocks against becoming neo-Nazis because they regarded a politically motivated nutter as nothing to do with them or their religion. I'm sure they said the killings were wrong and how sorry they were for the families etc but that was in a low key and without any implied sharing of responsibility for the deaths.

Surely the same applies to moderate Muslims all over the world? ISIS is nothing to do with them, they can say what ISIS is doing is wrong in the same way I can but they haven't got any obligation to bang on about it as if it was somehow partly their fault.

Well you know, if I was seriously into religion—let's say Jain for the sake of argument—and people of my own religion, calling themselves, say, the Sacred Jain Crusade, were regularly doing truly evil stuff while shouting "Death to all insect squashing infidels!" I'd want to be the first in line to buy a "Not In My Name!" T-shirt.

How about this for an analogy. Heysel stadium 1985. Liverpool supporters start a scrap that results in over 600 casualties and a shitload of deaths. Only a minority of Liverpool supporters were evil hooligans and only a very small minority of English football clubs were Liverpool. But there was nothing much the big majority could do or say when the whole of English football got banned from Europe for five years as a result. The majority took it on the chin for the minority, but it clearly achieved something. They don't call out the armed guards any more when England are in town.

There was an excellent article in the LRB a couple of weeks ago and one of the things it makes clear is how ISIS is able to scare the local population into staying. Unfortunately, you have to be a subscriber to read the article.

Trying saying that to the family of the Jordanian pilot. Was he flying a peace mission?

Anyone that thinks Christianity or Islam are a peaceful religion need to do a bit of reading both are bad as each other. Religion is the cancer of the world and as soon as it's gone and replaced with reason and fact this bollocks will always be there.

Ah, the old 'rational man' argument. There are forms of irrationality everywhere; just look at this place! Religion doesn't hold the monopoly on irrationality. If you read the stories of the men behind 'the bomb', there's a fair old amount of irrational stuff going on there. It's not exactly a model of disinterested scientific rationality and progress, is it?

In short, I think it's safer to just assume that everyone's mad. That way, you're rarely disappointed.

easiest way!

It's like those that were blaming computer games, violent fillums and Rap music for things like the Columbine shootings. Very convenient.

People who are that way inclined will always find an excuse to be violent. It's in our nature.

A different sect, but still Muslims.

Someone like Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin or Saddam Hussein perhaps



My great gran was one of the most bigoted and racist people I have ever known, she hated Catholics, niggers, Jews, she hated Margaret Thatcher so much she praised the IRA for the bombing of the Grand Hotel in 1984




Whete I am we had the top p*** Shop, Middle P*** Shop and Bottom P*** and the Chinese Takeaway was the Slants or Nip(despite not being Japanese)

Re' this topic I do not give a shit if I am termed as racist.
During the Napoleonic wars there was a French general called Wolf who ran the "police force" in the mountains of Spain. He once said I have to police barbarians so I have to be more barbaric than them. He had a point.
1 sure way to make these people think sounds barbaric, but it would at least make them think.
I don't know if you know this, but when a suicide bomber blows themselves up the 1 thing that remains virtually intact is the head.
My "solution" every 1 of the bastards who do that, +things like the Rigby killing, + any other terrorist act we catch them . Film them being killed, Film them having there heads wrapped in Pig skin. Film them being buried in the desert with no marking at all so there is no way to find them, and then let them know every single 1 that we kill will be treated the same.
Yes, barbaric, but the buggers would not be so keen to be killed if they knew they would not get the ruddy virgins!!!!!

You are no better than them.

It's not racist, just extremely thick.

Thank you. You are correct. With regard to getting rid of them I would most certainly do anything,(and more), than they would.

To beat someone who has no fear of dying you have first to make them fear dying. Then you have a chance.

Not really so stupid.

No you are really, really stupid if you think what you have suggested is any sort of solution to this problem.

They need dealing with of course and they need dealing with, with force but we are supposed to be civilised people, wrapping people in pig skin!? Are you even a full shilling?

sounds like one of those edl clowns that pop up on facebook