2004/05 season Hartlepool finish 6th in League 1

Blackpool finish 16th

2007 Blackpool win promotion via play-offs to Championship

2010 Blackpool win promotion to Premier League

2009/10 season Blackpool average attendance was 8,611 2nd worse attendance in the Championship.

Maybe they appointed the right manager(s) , who didn't build the opposition up.

You don't need full houses to win games, just the right team, the right manager and the right tactics.

Just a thought.

.....Encore.

Well said and well done Blackpool

Good post FB but sadly it is physically impossible to beat anyone who get large crowds.

Ben Burgess was interviewed after the match and said "all the credit should go to our manager, he came here and took the same players who were poor last year into the play-offs. He instilled confidence in us and gave us the self belief that we were as good as anyone in this division."
Are you reading Tubby?

Well done Olly and Blackpool - just shows what a positive attitude can do

Ian Holloway...a top top bloke.

I would give anything to see him managing pools.

ps, It will be good having him in the premier league next season. I may start watching MOTD again to watch his interviews.

...er, but that's what every team in the four divisions and elsewhere are after, everyone wants that 'magic' formula, it's not peculiar to Pools, regardless of Turmers ability or lack of it. It's called stating the bleedin obvious.

Well done Blackpool over the moon for them.

But surely the FA will send them back to the Championship....for punching above their weight with small crowds to boot.

I don't think there fans really wanted them to go up...They were happy just to survive in the Championship surely.

What are they all going to do now they won't be able to find the money for a premiership season ticket....I Wonder how much they are?

Holloway said after the game they should bring the prices down because of the money they get for going up.
Whether they do or not I have no idea.

Bob, do you think that anyone at Pools takes any notice? Maybe tomorrow someone will think 'oh aye, that how you do it, easy innit'

Incidentally Bob, if its that easy then perhaps you can enlighten us on next season promoted teams. Tell us who are the right teams, managers, tactics for 2010/11.

99% managers don't build the opposition up.

90% clubs don't get full houses at home games

If it's stating the bleeding obvious, as you put it, Why does our manager build the opposition up, and not get the team/tactics correct MOST of the time and why do a lot of club officials go on about low attendances.

The fact is a so called "small club" of the Championship has won promotion, While a so called "big club" Sheff Wed (average attendance of 23,179,[6th highest in division] almost 15,000 a game more than Blackpool have been relegated. Sheff Wed had a high of 37,121,ok it was against Palace last match of the season when if they won they stayed up, but that put them 2nd for a single home attendance only behind Newcastle. Blackpool's highest was 12,296, also last game of the season, 22 other clubs had a higher attendance at least once at home last season.

But stating the obvious again, maybe the manager got things right and the best out of his players. Instead of when they played a "big club" they crossed the line thinking about what their manager had said and went out feeling inferior.

As they say it's 11 against 11 and anything can happen on the day, at least tell your players that in a public.

Bob, you are highlighting the exception rather than the rule.

Biggest support in the premier league is Man United, they keep winning stuff.
Chelsea are a little different due to their bottomless pit of funding.
Arsenal 60k+
Man Ciry - ditto Chelsea

Championship:

Newcastle - 50 - 60k
West Brom - 25 - 30k

League 1:

Norwich & Leeds - far and away the biggest support.

Yes there'll always be the occasional Blackpool but they're fooking rare.

Right tactics... Right boys we're playing Sheff Wed they in the same league as us for a reason, they weren't good enough to stay in the Championship. Each player is the same standard as each of you, they were a "big club" they not now they league 1. You can all play as well as them on your day now go out there and prove it, I know you can out play them the fans will be behind you if your on top. THAT WOULD BE A START.

Says a lot for Pools support that then. Norwich biggest home gate of the season was against Pools.

WBA 7th in Championship for average attendance 9th for a single home attendance, Boro,Ipswich,had single games higher.

So WBA shouldn't have gone up either then on attendances

And Spurs shouldn't have finished 4th in Premiership

I am guessing your doing this from first hand experience of every team talk before and after every match that Turner gave that Pool's played in? If not your just guessing and this discussion is going no where

Selective use of facts there too Bob - Correct me if i am wrong but were Norwich not in the top 3 - 6 by the time they played us? if not top two with a huge chance of promotion, So the irrelevance of playing "little old Hartlepool" doesn't come into it. Strong hard facts is what we need Bob not selective fixtures and quotes.

Why can't we be the exception to the rule for once, to be fair?

Cardiff league 1 play off final
Sheffield Weds v Hartlepool

That was our exception.

I blame the niggers.












And whites. The pretendy fookin plastic mags that plague our great town. And wannabe fookin scousers. I had the kids on the beach this afternoon, and I must have counted at least twenty fookin arseholes wearing Liverpool shirts. What the fook is all that about? Have these people no fookin sense of idendity?

Why won't the people of Hartlepool get behind their OWN fookin football club???

We fooking lost
Oh and with success comes support. I've never seen as many Blackpool fans as I have in the last year, the town is full of them now, whereas it used to be Man Utd, Liverpool etc.

I am aware that we lost but you must be aware that reaching a major final is not everyday fare for the likes of Hartlepool. Hence its exceptional.

Not guessing going from Turner's own quotes when we come up against the so called "big teams", when he almost has us beat before we reach match day never mind kick off.

How many times has he said we cant compete with Leeds Norwich Southampton Huddersfield the list goes on.

I agree Bob - I'm sick of hearing his defeatist talk as well. Same old patter, get your excuses in first - time to step aside CT.

Your original post gave us YOUR apparent recipe for success and used Blackpool as an example ...just after they were successful ... not before, It's called 20;20 hindsight, compare poor team performance to good team performance, not hard to do.
As for 'stating the bleedin obvious' if your recipe success (copyright Blackpool FC) was as good as you trumpet it to be, every club around the world would be beating a path to Blackpool to see just how they did it.
Can you tell me where the figure of 90% of managers don't talk up the opposition came from, have you attended every team talk at every club or is there some official publication which can verify this ...?
We can all spot success after it's happened, spotting the successful club before it happens is a tad harder, I await your predictions with bated breath ...or maybe not.

Yes probably selective use of facts and correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Norwich have a CHAMPIONS PROMOTION party after they played us, didn't they also play Leeds and Charlton after us at home.

So selective yes but true

Course I can't predict the successful teams, we can all have a good guess though in most divisions.

The point is the current manager actually talks his own team down.

No one would have predicted Blackpool to win promotion and that is the point. If Blackpool can do it in the championship why can't we do it. I'm not asking for promotion, I'm asking for a reasonably successful season where we compete and the fans get a feel good factor. I'm asking for a manager who actually BELIEVES in his players, and they're his players now.

Stop talking up the opposition and talk up POOLS.

I've not jumped on the Turner out band-wagon, I've been a Turner not good enough based on results band-wagon since December 15th 2008, though he got my support, he's lost that more each day he's been in charge.

I bet turner doesnt build up the oposition to our players. No football manager is going to go into the dressing room and tell his players they cant win - stop being so nieve, fb.

He probably only does it in the press to try and make their players think its a foregone conclusion that they will win. You know like "we are the underdogs" - that theme has been spouted before every big game for years, by hollaway as well.

It needs discussing no more.

Haven't they got a new owner who has spent a bit of money? £3 million on Charlie Adam? Don't think we could EVER afford such a fee unless we were took over by someone with serious money.

It was 500k... still quite a sum to us when it costs only double that to run the club for a season.

I agree that its unlikely that turner talks so defeatist in the dressing room but I would argue the main reason why he gives such negative quotes in the press is not to lower the opposition into complacency but rather to take the pressure off himself and try and convince those gullible enough (including IOR) that its another 'impossible' game where anything other than a defeat is a bonus.

In fairness its probably an effective method for such a manager. If Turner said prior to every game that we would win then even IOR would probably have had to get rid of him by now.

Yep you're right, the apparently turned down a 3 mill bid for him in January.

A small point; we lose £1m a season, thats after income and expenditure. The cost of operating Pools is substantially more than £1m.

Gate reciepts + other club income + FL money + grants - costs = (£1m)

Mr I

How much do you think is spent then before the 1 million loss?

What is our budget I wonder?

slight correction!

I think Its not just Turner who has this defeatist attitude, if you look at the majority of responses, most people think its impossible for us to aim any higher.

The truth is we deserve Turner. People bleat about Turner being defeatist and then say in another thread that we are only a small club and we should be happy to be in this league.

I really don't buy all this crap about IOR must be getting fed up with us. At the end of the day when IOR bought us we were a lower end fourth division club, and they knew exactly what they getting into (they knew what it would cost to run the club). And we have never had a big following so why would things change when they took over.

I think we whould be aiming higher than what we are. I'm not happy with us just keeping our head above water in this league. Smaller clubs can do it, Blackpool have just proved it. Hell Wimbledon did it for years.

As long at the management and also the fans have this "little old Hartlepool" attitude, the players will never have the belief that they can achieve great things.

We are never gonna have a load of cash to spend and we are never gonna have 20k crowds. So what!!! Lets win the fookin league anyway!!!

Without all the real figures we can hazard a guess but theres some assumptions;

Rough average crowd last season c 3200 ish. On average lets say they've paid £15 each to get in.

3200 x 15 x 23 = £1.1m
Chuck in another say 150k for cup games
£350k FL money
100k hospitality and promotions

Total 1.7 million.

So in very rough figures, I reckon Pools are spending somewhere between £2.5 and £3.0m a year.

As an example out of the teams you have quoted, Southampton paid £1,000,000 for Lambert. I think that is where Chris Turner is coming from. Southampton did not make the play-offs btw. (I'm aware of the points deduction before anyone starts)

Use a little bit of perspective folks. There's some major straw clutching going on.

but surely that figure is for the overall running of the club including non playing staff wages building upkeep tax rates rent etc as well as playing staff, not a fortune by any stretch of the imagination

Whhhooaaaaa there tiger!! "fookin arseholes wearing Liverpool shirts. What the fook is all that about? Have these people no fookin sense of idendity?" - So, if I go down the beach today right and take our lass and take a few mates... will dickheads like you be ranting and raving saying "fookin arseholes wearing Hartlepool shirts. What the fook is all that about? Have these people no fookin sense of idendity?" .....???? Whats to say that they arn't day visitors or actually from Liverpool etc...?? Just playing Devils Advocate here like.... the boot on the other foot and that.

that is the crux of the matter
Every interview with Turner is an arse covering exercise for himself

but the budget is being squandered by Turner, regardless of its size. Give the budget to a better manager I say, and we'll see a much better season

Obviously Grave doesn't work in Accounts

So Mr I........... do you think the budget is ok for us in this league to compete?.... to get us into that last play off place perhaps?

Circa 3 Million is quite some investment but at present it only gets you safe on the last day proved twice already.

So to move on do we need more investment or a better Management team...If it is the latter why have we not addressed this before now.

If it's the first then we are in trouble as Larsen Oil & Gas are the only company prepared to spend that amount of money for no return.

As I dont ever here..... of any more interest from other companies taking the reign.

Oh aye, cos loads of Liverpudlians come to Seaton Carew for a day on the beach don't they?
And just so you know, if you called me a dickhead to my face, I'd kick your c unt in.

Hth

Larsen Oil & Gas

eh??

Im merely pointing out that it should read minus £1m as opposed to +£1m.

Is that not right like? Im sure the clubs outgoings are greater than the incomings by approximately £1m

The brackets signify the amount is a loss.

hth.

Not so long ago there was pools shirts worn around the town in abundance maybe if good football was being played at the vic these people would be proud to wear the blue and white of Harlepool once again.