So, how many managers, in the past 15 years, have had a clue?
Despite us being more successful than in any other point in our history, most people would only say Cooper.
I don't get it.

Oh come on - what about Martin Scott for a start

Turner is a wank manager, and always will be forever and ever
Some live in hope that it will not be so, but it is so

it wont happen ripper.

the players are in a comfort zone. the manager has told them plucky defeats are acceptable against the big clubs and that finishing 5th bottom constitutes a successful season. if your boss told you that would you make an effort this summer to work on your fitness or go to magaluf with the lads and go on the piss, then spend the rest of the summer in party mode ?

which is why they dont bother turning up away from home, and put in a performance every other game at home. the fitness levels are way down on what they used to be due to half the squad leading the party lifestyle off the field.

he has released jones and rowell, 2 young and potentially good midfield players, and kept on sweeney and humps who every man and his dog can see have been going steadily backwards, and simply cant compete against decent players.

turner wont turn this around because he isnt capable and anyway is too busy himself leading a decent lifestyle himself to do anything about it.

bottom line, too many people at that club taking the piss and putting in 75%.

if that happens I'll eat hay with a donkey

He made the playoffs three years running, which is surely a little bit more than reasonable. We've all heard stories about the budget, but the fact remains that a lot of the players who played a lot of games weren't exactly superstars that we had acquired through a chequebook culture. Players like Chris Westwood, Graeme Lee, Kev Henderson, James Sharp, Adam Boyd, Ian Clark, Paul Arnison, Martin Hollund, Darren Knowles, Craig Midgley, Sam Shilton... To dismiss the work that Turner did during that spell is to do him a disservice IMO.


I don't have detailed information on the levels of injury sustained by each of the League One clubs, but we hardly had a massive squad in comparison to a lot of other clubs. We used less players in our starting eleven (21) than any other club in the division. Brighton (35), MK Dons (35), Wycombe (34), Norwich (32), Southend (31), Southampton (30) all used a fair few more players. Only Walsall (22) and Huddersfield (23) came close to fielding as few.

So while it might fair to say that Turner has had more resources than a lot of pre-IOR Pools managers (though almost all of them were operating a division lower where our lack of resource is less of a hindrance), it's also fair to say that CT is competing against clubs that are not short of players themselves.

But thats down to IOR, not Chris Turner. I honestly dont think Pools have had a worse manager in the past 20 years (except Busby anyway).

verbal attacks on the fans.

the likes of paul smith, tony lormor, jon bass, anthony wilson,tommy widdrington, gordon watson, ritchie humphreys, darrell clarke, etc all signed by turner were seasoned pro's either dropping down a level or coming from rival clubs proving ior were paying more than the going rate. hoy in the likes of mcevoy, fizpatrick, shilton etc and the club was clearly being well bankrolled.

hth.

like isaid turners first spell in charge was reasonable, but ultimately what did he achieve with all the money at his disposal ?

with all due respect, thats utter and total bollocks.

so Neale Cooper didn't take over a GOOD squad brimming with confidence and self belief, with a real sense of purpose?

The fact is Neale Cooper had it all pretty much handed to him on a plate, i'm not detracting from the fact he did a pretty amazing job, i'm saying that he took over a bloody good squad who already knew each other inside out and it helped him out massively.

Why didn't it work out for Martin Scott then?

Neale Cooper was only as successful as he was because Turner had laid the foundations.

The fact is Neale Cooper had it all pretty much handed to him on a plate, i'm not detracting from the fact he did a pretty amazing job, i'm saying that he took over a bloody good squad who already knew each other inside out and it helped him out massively.

Oh get real for gods sake man. You really do worship Chris Turner dont you!? Every other friggin post about how the sun shines out his backside or applauding anyone else who worships him (well Madjohn or Ripper anyway) or criticising those who slag him off.

You are naive beyond belief and would believe Turner if he said the earth was square.

The bloke is completely and utterly incompetent. He has been so at every club he has been at. No amount of bigging him up is going to change that.

You go on deluding yourself though.

Oh get real for gods sake man. You really do worship Chris Turner dont you!? Every other friggin post about how the sun shines out his backside or applauding anyone else who worships him (well Madjohn or Ripper anyway) or criticising those who slag him off.

You are naive beyond belief and would believe Turner if he said the earth was square.

The bloke is completely and utterly incompetent. He has been so at every club he has been at. No amount of bigging him up is going to change that.

You go on deluding yourself though.

Hmm, don't really know what to make of this post to be honest. I am adult enough to give someone praise when they deserve it and stick when they deserve it too, i'm not stubborn enough to admit when i'm wrong and i'm also capable of seeing positives and negatives in the same person, unlike you who acts like a petulant, child.

You may not agree with me, thats fine, but do one thing for me........grow up?

You're not capable of giving Turner stick though! You defend him at every opportunity even when its undefendable. Everytime a poster posts message in favour of Turner you reply with " "etc etc. Likewise as soon as one of the pro-Turner camp criticises someone who dared to post a critical message re Turner, you will give a similar response.

Only an idiot with no knowledge about football could value Chris Turner as a manager. He is every bit as bad as scotty was but for some reason a few people on here try their damnedest not to "see" it - even when the statistics back it up. There is barely ANY evidence to suggest Turner is a good manager. To continuously defend him is ridiculous.

you know full well what my stance on Turner being Pools manager now & in the future is, i've stated it many times since November. I do, however, think people are overly harsh with him (you in the main, with your pathetic, childish comments)

My point in this thread was simply that Turner set the wheels in motion for our 'glory period' and should be praised just as much as Cooper for it. Not for whats happening now, but for what happened between 1999 and 2005.

and I hope he is not in charge for next season.

and i agree with you. And have done since November, yet Mr Disorder refuses to accept it.

Not sure it's an act

and i agree with you. And have done since November, yet Mr Disorder refuses to accept it.

Any chance of making a start?

To be fair, I did think you were in the Turner love-in camp too.

Come off it man! You stick up for Turner at every given opportunity. If you are in favour of getting rid of him then you have shown an amazing job of disguising it!!!

You're good at this kind of thing, chip. The above, and some other contributions to this thread, are very well selected pieces of info. I'm still not convinced though. Some things, like road protesters and Sussex07, don't wash. Take CT's second full season as an example. Jones and Freestone had gone. Humphreys, Widdrington, Watson, Smith, Clarke had yet to arrive. We did sign Tinkler that season but not until a third of the way through the campaign. Sure we had a few old pros on their way down, but who exactly? Gary Strodder, who was a creak away from retirement. Tony Lormor, an honest pro who would be honest enough to admit his best days had gone, a suspicion backed up by the fact that he scored more goals in his six appearances against us than he did in his 56(30+26) for us. Turner was frustrated that we'd let Howard go and is on record as saying we didn't have the resources to go out and get a fully-formed replacement. That's why we ended up with a fading Lormor and a potential work-in-progress that never happened in Sperrevik.

Paul Stephenson? Now there was a player. But he was a player most of us would happily have seen taken out and shot in 1999. Whatever Turner did, Stevo was one of the best players in the division within a year and was still a vital player in 2000/01.

What else? Well, Miller of course. A diamond of rare talent for a youth team graduate, but we were hardly alone in that respect. Two of the teams we were competing with had unearthed Bobby Zamora and Rob Earnshaw. And anyway, Miller was homegrown, not a chequebook signing. Other key players were a centre half from Andover Town in James Sharp; youngsters from the Boro and Mags (Barron and Arnison); Chris Westwood, a kid who CT had worked with at Wolves; Craig Midgley, who'd got barely a sniff at Bradford and had been kicking about at Scarborough and Darlo; Sam Shilton, Lee Fitzpatrick, Hendo, Knowlesy, Ian Clark? Come on chip, that season was hardly bankrolled to an excessive degree. We finished fourth, and it could have been third but for Chesterfield's antics.

Yes we took more of a financial gamble a year later, but only after releasing ten players and selling Miller in order to fund it.

I think Turner deserves a huge amount of credit for his first three years, whatever happened since.

You're good at this kind of thing, chip. The above, and some other contributions to this thread, are very well selected pieces of info. I'm still not convinced though. Some things, like road protesters and Sussex07, don't wash. Take CT's second full season as an example. Jones and Freestone had gone. Humphreys, Widdrington, Watson, Smith, Clarke had yet to arrive. We did sign Tinkler that season but not until a third of the way through the campaign. Sure we had a few old pros on their way down, but who exactly? Gary Strodder, who was a creak away from retirement. Tony Lormor, an honest pro who would be honest enough to admit his best days had gone, a suspicion backed up by the fact that he scored more goals in his six appearances against us than he did in his 56(30+26) for us. Turner was frustrated that we'd let Howard go and is on record as saying we didn't have the resources to go out and get a fully-formed replacement. That's why we ended up with a fading Lormor and a potential work-in-progress that never happened in Sperrevik.

Paul Stephenson? Now there was a player. But he was a player most of us would happily have seen taken out and shot in 1999. Whatever Turner did, Stevo was one of the best players in the division within a year and was still a vital player in 2000/01.

What else? Well, Miller of course. A diamond of rare talent for a youth team graduate, but we were hardly alone in that respect. Two of the teams we were competing with had unearthed Bobby Zamora and Rob Earnshaw. And anyway, Miller was homegrown, not a chequebook signing. Other key players were a centre half from Andover Town in James Sharp; youngsters from the Boro and Mags (Barron and Arnison); Chris Westwood, a kid who CT had worked with at Wolves; Craig Midgley, who'd got barely a sniff at Bradford and had been kicking about at Scarborough and Darlo; Sam Shilton, Lee Fitzpatrick, Hendo, Knowlesy, Ian Clark? Come on chip, that season was hardly bankrolled to an excessive degree. We finished fourth, and it could have been third but for Chesterfield's antics.

Yes we took more of a financial gamble a year later, but only after releasing ten players and selling Miller in order to fund it.

I think Turner deserves a huge amount of credit for his first three years, whatever happened since.

the only people saying give him yet more time are arguing the case using what he did nearly a decade ago as justification.

so come on then ripper, what did you see from last season that suggests we are making progress ?

i know for family reasons you cant get to as many away games as you used to but you can start with the walsall game you were at as its pretty typical of the away games i saw. tactically inept, and unable to make substitutions when the entire ground could see we were losing the midfield. what makes you think this bloke is suddenly gonna become a better manager ?